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Legion Developer PvP and eSports Q&A - Brian Holinka
Holinka will be answering the community's questions about PvP and WoW Esports Manager Jeramy McIntyre will be talking about the 2017 WoW Arena World Championship.



Gear Acquisition
  • The system should have a little bit of excitement, but probably not to the level of players being frustrated because they can't get a specific item to finish their set.
  • Players can take the gear from PvP to the Obliterum forge, turning it into an Echos item. These can be used to purchase a token for a certain slot. These use the random item upgrade system, so you can keep buying tokens to try and get better items.
  • Bonus rolls are being added to the rated weekly quests. You can use a bonus roll to try and get another piece of gear.

Mounts
  • Gladiator mounts are going to remain character specific.
  • Vicious and Prestigious mounts will be account wide.

Leveling
  • In Patch 7.2 the experience rewarded from PvP will be significantly increased, but not to the extent of trivializing leveling.

PvP Gear Ensemble
  • Players should be able to buy the previous season's look, but you shouldn't be able to buy the current season's look.
  • The Elite achievement was added to be sure players hit the required rating each season to be able to buy the appearance.
  • In Season 3, you will be able to buy Season 1 and Season 2 appearances from the vendor.

Duels
  • At Legion launch, the team wasn't sure they wanted to apply PvP templates during duels. There is a very social element to duels, some people want to go out with their awesome gear and beat people up.
  • The team is looking into applying templates during duels, but it won't be ready in time for Patch 7.2.
  • There are lots of concerns with enabling this, the team needs to do testing to make sure there aren't any exploits.
  • Allowing 1v1 Wargames is also on the list.

World PvP
  • The team is going to look at legendary items, set bonuses, and other things that cause extra damage against players in World PvP.
  • Base Resilience and Healing Reduction wouldn't be a good thing for the game.

Solo Queuing
  • Solo queues for rated PvP is a good idea, but the team doesn't want to say yes or no to it right now.
  • There are a lot of challenges that would be involved with allowing solo queuing.
  • Queue times wouldn't be great because of the relative number of healers compared to DPS. Providing some incentive to heal might help.
  • In Overwatch and Heroes, when a player queues their role is undefined. The player can enter the match and play any role that is needed. In WoW, if you queue as a Warlock, you have to play DPS.
  • The population doesn't reflect the ratio of roles needed for rated PvP. There are a lot more DPS playing than healers.
  • You also have to take into account MMR when matching, which would make the queue times even longer.
  • The game is reliant on synergy between different classes, so if the random matchmaking puts you in a comp that isn't optimal for your spec, you will be angry and blame the matchmaker for your loss.
  • The matchmaking could attempt to build optimal team comps, but this would also increase the queue times. It also would stop players from playing less popular team comps that they enjoy.
  • Figuring out how to make MMR work, maybe on your spec, class, or some other factors is also a challenge.
  • Harassment in chat would also probably be an issue.
  • Do you put solo queue players in a game with players queued as a party?
  • There are lots of things that would cause player frustration that need to be solved before solo queue would be a good player experience.
  • Making all of this work right is a big time commitment.
  • The team agrees that if there was solo queue, more people would be participating in PvP.
  • Solo queue is something that has to be done right.

Finding Groups
  • The team wants to hear more feedback about how the group finder is working out for PvP.
  • Solo queue is nice because you can press a button and play, but the players in your group are very disposable.
  • Having to put a group together takes effort, allows you to build more significant connections with the players in the group, and behavior is generally better.
  • Let the team know how they can make the system better for you and what challenges you are facing with the current system.
  • There is some value in having a little bit of a barrier to rated PvP, but the current barrier to entry may be a little high.

PvP Template Information
  • The team has been talking about better ways to get information about this out to players.
  • There was a forum post during beta that listed all of these things, but keeping it updated takes a significant amount of time.
  • This is also difficult information to get across concisely.
  • Spell tooltips and your character stats do change when you go into a rated environment.
  • A lot of information has been moved from the server to the client, so anyone who wants to improve the presentation of the data can do so.
  • Most players just go and play PvP, they aren't too interested in the stat template. It would be nice to have this information for players who are interested in it though!
  • Finding a way to convey this information is difficult, but not insurmountable.

PvP Title Rating Reward Ranges
  • The team has been talking about the end of season title system recently.
  • There isn't much value in withholding the title cutoff range from players.
  • For this season, the team will show the title cutoff range around a week before the season ends.
  • Final values will be posted at the end of the season.
  • The team will try to find a more permanent solution moving forward.
  • The team needs to be very clear that the title range before the season is over is an estimate, not exact numbers. They don't want players to be upset if they don't get the title they want because the range shifted.

PvP Hangout Area
  • The game could benefit from having a PvP hangout area. Players could go there and duel or hang out, which is something that was lost with the removal of PvP vendors.

Class Stacking in Rated Battlegrounds
  • The team does focus a lot of their balance time on 3v3 arenas, but Rated Battlegrounds are also an important part of the game.
  • The team is okay with some classes being better in one part of the game than other classes, but the current situation with Balance Druids and Mistweaver Monks where it is a problem.
  • Some specs are able to do damage to a large number of targets very easily, which may be a problem that needs to be addressed.
  • The team has to be careful to avoid over nerfing these classes and specs, as the damage to multiple targets needs to be reduced while still keeping their damage on a lower number of targets good.
  • The team isn't thrilled with how complicated the differences are between PvP and PvE right now. If they were to add additional stat templates for different arena sizes and battleground types, this would add even more complexity to the system.
  • Having a different optimal rotation in the outside world, 2v2, 3v3, and RBG would not be great.
  • Having Shroud of Concealment meant that any Rogue team would start the game hidden. The game felt better with out having a team appear out of nowhere and opening on you.
  • Turning off Shroud of Concealment in just arenas might work, but having consistent rules across all of rated PvP is helpful.
  • Mass Invisibility is okay because it is just Arcane Mages rather than all Rogues. There are a lot of things that a Rogue can do while stealthed, but an Arcane Mage is more limited.

Tanks in PvP
  • It is a real challenge to get tanks working in PvP in a good way.
  • In PvE, a tank is supposed to be invincible, getting in the bosses face and not dying. This wouldn't work in PvP.
  • Tanks are a little more sturdy, lower DPS, and able to harass other players in PvP. It is taking some iteration to bring all of the tank specs to where they want them. This may take some tuning changes or Honor Talent changes.

Mistwalk
  • Mistwalk took a very mobile class and made them too mobile.
  • They had a sufficient amount of movement without Mistwalk.
  • Most players in PvE were not taking Mistwalk, even after buffing it multiple times to try and make it more attractive.
  • Mobility is still very good, especially when compared to other healers.

Honor Talents vs Stat Templates
  • Changing Honor Talents and Stat Templates solves different problems.
  • Changing the stat template allows the team to scale back damage or increase health to help survivability.
  • Honor Talents were designed to be situational.

Skirmishes
  • The team is aware that players are tired of 2v3 Skirmishes.
  • The team could change queuing for Skirmishes to something more similar to how dungeons work, where everyone has to accept before it will start.
  • Skirmishes currently allow everyone to get into a match quickly, with the different sizes helping with the healer and DPS ratio.
  • The team wants to solve people not accepting the queue invite instead of separating 2v2 and 3v3 skirmishes.

World Defense
  • The World Defense channel will no longer work on all servers again.
  • With sharding and CRZ, if someone is attacking an area it isn't guaranteed that you will find them when you go there, you may end up in another shard.
  • The team is looking at being able to re-enable this channel on RP realms where the channel was popular.
  • The benefits of CRZ and sharding outweigh the downsides by far.
  • If you want to avoid CRZ and sharding, maybe check out an RP realm.

Marks of Honor
  • The team hears the feedback about the drop rate of Marks of Honor.
  • They have been added to World Quests, Ashran, and other sources.
  • Things to spend your excess Marks of Honor on have also been added.

Arena Participation
  • Arena Participation numbers are actually pretty good right now.
  • Every week the number of people on the arena ladder grows.
  • There is usually a big number once the season starts, then around 10,000 people are added to the ladder per week with that number slowly declining.
  • The team made a deliberate decision to shorten the seasons, causing the ladder to be smaller than it had been in the past.
  • In North America, 150k people were on the ladder in Season 1. That is better than any Warlords season was 12 weeks in.
  • The team wants to increase arena participation.
  • There has been lots of feedback about end of season rewards.

WoW Arena 2017 Championship
  • Last year was great for WoW eSports.
  • The European cups were broadcast for the first time, leading up to a magical moment at BlizzCon.
  • The Tespa dungeon race was also new, allowing more diversity in the eSports program.
  • WoW eSports is going to be bigger than it has ever been before.
  • Last year the cups had the rating requirement removed, resulting in a huge surge in participation. This year the cups will be completely open again.
  • If you want to grab your friends and play against the best players, you can do that.
  • The number of cups will also be increased, with NA and EU getting 5 cups for each region, up from 3.
  • The prize pool for the cups will be increased as well, allowing pro players to earn money and dedicate more time to playing.
  • Making all of the cups open to everyone didn't work out well. Moving forward a points system will be used, with teams earning points by winning cups.
  • The points system will also extend to some community tournaments, allowing wins there to reward some points.
  • Things will kick off in April, with tournaments going on almost every other weekend for WoW eSports.
  • NA and EU will now have 12 teams that qualify for regionals, up from 8 teams.
  • The global finals will have 12 teams this year.
  • Global finals will also have better representation this year: NA, EU, China, Latam, and Asia Pacific.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Legion Developer PvP Q&A - Brian Holinka started by chaud View original post
Comments 58 Comments
  1. Toppy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Averrix View Post
    So you have to be a certain rating to buy the previous season PVP sets? Or just for the Elite sets?
    Previous season gear can be currently bought with marks of honor.

    Elite sets will require rating.
  1. chelate's Avatar
    Lmfao why is balance mentioned next to a class that is good in PVP?
  1. otaXephon's Avatar


    Please stahp, Blizzard.
  1. Darksoldierr's Avatar
    If i didn't seen this thousand times
    It is a real challenge to get tanks working in PvP in a good way.
  1. Explicit Teemo Nudes's Avatar
    The benefits of CRZ and sharding outweigh the downsides by far.
    No, it fucking doesn't. CRZ sucks in every way possible and it one of the worst features added to WoW.

    If you want to avoid CRZ and sharding, maybe check out an RP realm.
    Oh yeah? Let me grab those thousands of euro I don't have to transfer all my characters. Just remove CRZ instead. I also don't RP, and I know for a fact that RP players don't want their realms infested with tons of people that don't RP.
  1. Gatsbybutters's Avatar
    Anyone with a memory of past game changes can counter 99% of the bullet points.
    CRZ sucked what was left of the mmo out of the game.
    Arena Participation numbers are actually pretty good right now --- Neat, so blizzard has mastered the tech to travel to other dimensions where they actually got it right and are reporting in. Please share this wondrous science with the world.
    "WoW Esports Manager"... I don't even know what to say. I cringed, I laughed, I cried for our species. This is the longest joke without a punchline ever.
  1. Scorpio9's Avatar
    Solo queue is something that has to be done right.
    Gearing up (pve and pvp) obvisouly has not
  1. kornek21's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    this is going to be hell... i can allready see the twitch chat screamin....
    allready ive seen people ask "why dont they get heelvsbabyface in because he hates the game to ask the questions, that way we can get the game fixed"
    my mind has been blown but stupidity and were 4 mins from starting..

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    allready feel bad for him...
    allready some pretty ok stuff, new bad luck protection being added to pvp, can also bonus roll in pvp from the weekly pvp quest
    and ranked pvp mounts becoming account bound
    heelvsbabyface is the last person that should have any right to say anything about wow considering everything he says is total bullshit and hatred towards wow.
  1. Neruk's Avatar
    Yeah, can we not shove non-RPers onto RP realms just so they can avoid CRZ and sharding? That'd be great. Thanks.
  1. Nereas's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Neruk View Post
    Yeah, can we not shove non-RPers onto RP realms just so they can avoid CRZ and sharding? That'd be great. Thanks.
    Right? lol.

    Statements like that are really the little indicators to me that show how out-of-touch and disinterested the current devs are.

    I mean this is pretty much the equivalent of a city with major infrastructure problems telling their citizens to go build a hut in the forest and live off the land to avoid traffic problems.
  1. gdr441's Avatar
    meh @ pvp in this game :-/
  1. kaintk's Avatar
    like always, those QA dont give anything news

    i will shorten their answer:

    " the game is fine, we did it, you all players dont know anything , we are god and no change will come "
  1. Gadzooks's Avatar
    Underwhelming, as expected.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farron69 View Post
    Do they honestly have to have Lore on there all the time? The community obviously does not like the guy, and he continously wastes time with his worthless opinions, we see this every single QA where he takes up at least 5-10 minutes to share "his own experience"
    These QAs should be rapid fire questions and then they can elaborate on the forums later on if there's a certain thing that did not come across that well.
    Dude, Lore's entire job is to tell us what Ion and Holinka really meant to say, by using his own experiences.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else want to light his cheap perm on fire?
  1. off3nc3's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    this is going to be hell... i can allready see the twitch chat screamin....
    allready ive seen people ask "why dont they get heelvsbabyface in because he hates the game to ask the questions, that way we can get the game fixed"
    my mind has been blown but stupidity and were 4 mins from starting..

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    allready feel bad for him...
    allready some pretty ok stuff, new bad luck protection being added to pvp, can also bonus roll in pvp from the weekly pvp quest
    and ranked pvp mounts becoming account bound
    You are a pitiful fanboy who only plays PvE , it's pretty disgusting that you would actually feel sorry for the guy who is ruining it for all the PvP'ers out there. For future reference just abstain from posting in general on the internet if possible . Thank you sincerely the PvP community !

    PvP is gone from this game it's merely a side mini-game ,watered down , template tweaks , removal of resil. , removing of stat choice , removing of PvP gear vendors . Everyone should just quit this turd and not just for this xpack. The PvE furries can have a ball now killing their scripted NPC's with those lackluster legendaries.
  1. Lulbalance's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Gadzooks View Post
    Underwhelming, as expected.

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    Dude, Lore's entire job is to tell us what Ion and Holinka really meant to say, by using his own experiences.

    Is it just me, or does anyone else want to light his cheap perm on fire?
    Lore is Wow's Kelly Ann Conway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by off3nc3 View Post
    You are a pitiful fanboy who only plays PvE , it's pretty disgusting that you would actually feel sorry for the guy who is ruining it for all the PvP'ers out there. For future reference just abstain from posting in general on the internet if possible . Thank you sincerely the PvP community !

    PvP is gone from this game it's merely a side mini-game ,watered down , template tweaks , removal of resil. , removing of stat choice , removing of PvP gear vendors . Everyone should just quit this turd and not just for this xpack. The PvE furries can have a ball now killing their scripted NPC's with those lackluster legendaries.
    I this point, if you're still getting emotional about Wow PVP you either can't play a real game because of cost or computer / make money off of streaming or vested interest.. or you're just an idiot. Sorry man.. this thing is all but dead. And that is coming from someone who based on the rawest of percentages has likely played for a lot longer than you have, at a much higher rating than you do.
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by off3nc3 View Post
    You are a pitiful fanboy who only plays PvE , it's pretty disgusting that you would actually feel sorry for the guy who is ruining it for all the PvP'ers out there. For future reference just abstain from posting in general on the internet if possible . Thank you sincerely the PvP community !

    PvP is gone from this game it's merely a side mini-game ,watered down , template tweaks , removal of resil. , removing of stat choice , removing of PvP gear vendors . Everyone should just quit this turd and not just for this xpack. The PvE furries can have a ball now killing their scripted NPC's with those lackluster legendaries.
    if you think he alone is the reason pvp is having a problem, then you are mad. and pitiful fanboy? you see one post feeling sorry for a guy getting constant harrasment and death threats, and im a fanboy? kk.
    and i assume you quit the game but still hang around here because....?
  1. off3nc3's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lulbalance View Post
    Lore is Wow's Kelly Ann Conway.

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    I this point, if you're still getting emotional about Wow PVP you either can't play a real game because of cost or computer / make money off of streaming or vested interest.. or you're just an idiot. Sorry man.. this thing is all but dead. And that is coming from someone who based on the rawest of percentages has likely played for a lot longer than you have, at a much higher rating than you do.
    Actually I moved on from WoW 4 months ago but keep I keep reading news about it , hope dies last , im currently playing BF1 with college mates DLC drops in 2 days , Mass Effect Andromeda pre-ordered , premium trial starts in 5 days , im playing all of this at ULTRA settings on 2560x1440p , 144HZ. So all your assumptions just went down the drain right there ( sorry , assumptions just showed yourself you are the idiot ).

    And yea PvP is dead in this game and the season's face an all time LOW number in participation , there has already been a mass unsub exodus you will not see it on this website though since it's the last fanboy frontier outlet.

    Some of us are still hopefull that this turd of expansion will do a 180' and maybe atleast fix PvP which is in shambles.
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by off3nc3 View Post
    Actually I moved on from WoW 4 months ago but keep I keep reading news about it , hope dies last , im currently playing BF1 with college mates DLC drops in 2 days , Mass Effect Andromeda pre-ordered , premium trial starts in 5 days , im playing all of this at ULTRA settings on 2560x1440p , 144HZ. So all your assumptions just went down the drain right there ( sorry , assumptions just showed yourself you are the idiot ).

    And yea PvP is dead in this game and the season's face an all time LOW number in participation , there has already been a mass unsub exodus you will not see it on this website though since it's the last fanboy frontier outlet.

    Some of us are still hopefull that this turd of expansion will do a 180' and maybe atleast fix PvP which is in shambles.
    ok, and if the only thing you care about (since you seem to hate anyone and everyone who does pve as you call them furries and imply pve is easy)
    then quit, you know pvp is shit, have no intrest in playing, and yes hope dies last but youve lost hope

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