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Originally Posted by Notdev

This expansion is literally the most casual friendly and the most fuck-you raider expansion ever

LOL, sure it is, pal.

You show me where you can get gear equivalent to (oh sorry, better than, since apparently its better for casuals than raiders) mythic raid drops, and I'll agree with you. Go on, I'll be sitting over here waiting.

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Originally Posted by Notdev

And the main draw for the Mage Tower is 100% the artifact power. That's the reason I dumped all my resources into it. Don't really care about the artifact appearance, although I did get my frost one in an hour or so of attempts.

Not sure why so many people are complaining about it, it was literally secondary to the artifact power gains. Secondary by a lot. And AP leads to guaranteed power gains, while the disruptor leads to more RNG related power gains.

You must be a teenager, at best.

Because only teenagers -- with their brains that haven't fully developed in this regard -- still live in the magical world of "if it's my opinion, it's THE opinion, for I am the center of the world!!!"

Translation (since I'm sure you'll need it): You are, quite objectively, wrong. Your opinions are not the opinions of everyone else. And your inability to figure it out -- as you yourself stated -- has nothing to do with, well, anything.

Originally Posted by schwarzkopf

Was a mystery to me why the focus was on the mage tower instead of the others, most people will throw a lot of nethershards at the tower for no reward.

I suppose there is the small chance of a +30% rep buff ...

Because everyone thinks they are above average and that they can do the scenario and get their appearance right away. Just look at the forums (official & mmo-champ) to see the calls for nerfs, and how hard it is, and how unfair it is, and how other classes have it easier.

Originally Posted by GothamCity

Because everyone thinks they are above average and that they can do the scenario and get their appearance right away. Just look at the forums (official & mmo-champ) to see the calls for nerfs, and how hard it is, and how unfair it is, and how other classes have it easier.

I spent a good 2k shards on attempts and never made it past the first stage. I absolutely LOVE that its too difficult for me and it gives me something to work towards. I truly hope that blizzard doesn't nerf this but, sadly, i think they will. Americans in general don't like working towards a difficult goal, they just want the bar lowered so they can step over it and, thanks to capitalism, the majority rules.

Originally Posted by The Jabberwock

You show me where you can get gear equivalent to (oh sorry, better than, since apparently its better for casuals than raiders) mythic raid drops, and I'll agree with you.

I'm pretty sure you'll find some excuse to claim getting BIS legendary and / or max ilvl titanforged piece from an emissary cache / world boss / lfr / legionfall supplies doesn't count.

Originally Posted by mezzodave

I spent a good 2k shards on attempts and never made it past the first stage. I absolutely LOVE that its too difficult for me and it gives me something to work towards. I truly hope that blizzard doesn't nerf this but, sadly, i think they will. Americans in general don't like working towards a difficult goal, they just want the bar lowered so they can step over it and, thanks to capitalism, the majority rules.

I'm a resto druid, I've attempted in 6 or 7 times, and I didn't get very far. I'm at 901 ilvl. I do not want them to nerf it, once I git gud and get more gear from nighthold/m+/ToS I'll be able to tackle it.

I think everyone is overlooking the main point of the mage tower!

- Veiled Wyrmtongue Chests, which are more lucrative

They seem to be exactly the same but have 90 shards in them instead of 40!

Originally Posted by The Jabberwock

LOL, sure it is, pal.

You show me where you can get gear equivalent to (oh sorry, better than, since apparently its better for casuals than raiders) mythic raid drops, and I'll agree with you. Go on, I'll be sitting over here waiting.

Do you define how good something is completely by its rewards? Because that just doesn't make sense. Mythic raiding gets the highest gear because it takes the most combination of skill, effort, and time, and always has. Its literally how the game has always been. Proportionate wise, its not close in my opinion. Heroics give gear that is, not only a few ilvls lower than mythic, it has the chance to actually be as good or even better, and takes far, far less effort. And the very best items in the game are attainable by anyone doing anything, not just mythic raiding. Its been easier than ever before to get geared, and staying competitive in a mythic guild has taken far, far more effort than ever before, which is why the mythic raiding scene is in such a steep decline. There has also been more single player progression than ever before in the form of the artifact weapon progression, and more small group progression than ever before in the form of mythic plus dungeons.

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You must be a teenager, at best.

Because only teenagers -- with their brains that haven't fully developed in this regard -- still live in the magical world of "if it's my opinion, it's THE opinion, for I am the center of the world!!!"

Translation (since I'm sure you'll need it): You are, quite objectively, wrong. Your opinions are not the opinions of everyone else. And your inability to figure it out -- as you yourself stated -- has nothing to do with, well, anything.

I'm literally just going by what I've seen stated in chat, on forums, and on this very thread by people that aren't complaining, and by what the answer was when I asked what building we're going for. The conversations mostly went like this:
"Hey, what building are we building first?"
"Mage tower for the AP"

/shrug

Feltotem's Fall - Destruction Warlock, Windwalker Monk, Beast Mastery Hunter, Discipline Priest Really Blizzard?

I mean I got about 5,5 million AP in total from doing three mythic 0 dungeons, so while I am not gonna get the appearance anytime soon I definitely still benefit from the mage tower being up.

Originally Posted by Marrilaife

I'm pretty sure you'll find some excuse to claim getting BIS legendary and / or max ilvl titanforged piece from an emissary cache / world boss / lfr / legionfall supplies doesn't count.

Oh yes, my bad. You totally thwarted me. You have proven, without a doubt, that there's nothing but shit gear in mythic raids. Not a single piece of gear in there is better than what you can get from a world boss or LFR or emissary cache. Yep! Not a single one! It's all crap! Boohoohooo, those poooooor mythic raiders!

Originally Posted by The Jabberwock

Oh yes, my bad. You totally thwarted me. You have proven, without a doubt, that there's nothing but shit gear in mythic raids. Not a single piece of gear in there is better than what you can get from a world boss or LFR or emissary cache. Yep! Not a single one! It's all crap! Boohoohooo, those poooooor mythic raiders!

Strawman at its best. I so knew people like you are just gonna disregard everything and push their agenda. It's not enough people who put minimal effort get a few amazing items some mythic raiders might never see drop, after all, it's not ALL the items so problem doesn't exist.

Originally Posted by Notdev

This expansion is literally the most casual friendly

Yep, exactly see case above, Blizzard decided to spoil casuals by throwing loot at them left and right and they still claim it's not casual friendly enough. Back in vanilla they barely seen an epic and still thought it was an amazing game, today they're decked in titanforged epics and legendaries and they're like:

Originally Posted by The Jabberwock

Fuck you casuals (and by casually mean everyone outside of the >1% of the playerbase)! Fuck you in the ass!!!" --Blizzard, because fuck you that's why

What's the point of spoiling these people if they're never satisfied, it's never enough for them.

P.S. I'm sure by the time Argus patch drops casuals will get access to easy 900 gear from world quests or something similar, so it's not as if they will need to step a foot into organized raiding or mythic+ to try the challenge before expansion ends. Even now you can get 900 gear without mythic raiding, just pug hc NH and farm m+.

You can also farm nethershards for the 5k tokens and with enough luck & effort you'll get the necessary gear by the time next mage tower is built.

Originally Posted by Marrilaife

Strawman at its best. I so knew people like you are just gonna disregard everything and push their agenda. It's not enough people who put minimal effort get a few amazing items some mythic raiders might never see drop, after all, it's not ALL the items so problem doesn't exist.

Hahahaha.

So, basically, you agree. Only mythic raiders deserve to have the best gear AND the most fun gear. Everyone else just gets to sit there and "be bad" because they don't deserve to have fun in the game. If you're not doing mythic raids, you're not "playing the game right," amirite?

Hate to break it to you, but not everyone likes to raid, let alone deal with elitists doucenozzles like you in mythic raiding guilds. Some people enjoy the other aspects of the game, and constantly -- constantly getting the middle finger from Blizzard when it comes to the fun stuff (cool mounts, cool-looking gear, cool titles, etc.) they, at best, get token shit or have to wait ages and ages so that the aforementioned elitist douchenozzles get the opportunity to truly feel elitst.

And yet people like you -- and Blizzard -- are constantly baffled by how so many people constantly complain and feel like shit in regards to the game. Yes, it's truly baffling...

Yep, exactly see case above, Blizzard decided to spoil casuals by throwing loot at them left and right and they still claim it's not casual friendly enough.

Hahahhahahaha. Yes. That's exactly what's going on. Put your nose up to those lowly "casuals," they deserve nothing. NOTHING! So what if they pay the same amount of money each month? So what if they log in for the same amount of time, and do what they enjoy for the same amount of time? None of that matters! Only the elitist douchenozzles deserve the good stuff! Let them eat cake! <watches you toss your hair only moments before getting beheaded, then still being baffled as to why those lowly peons hate you so vehemently>

I mean, sure, they could have simply made the whole thing scalable to your gear. But naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah. Gotta cater to those elitist douchenozzles, else THEY go around crying and crying and crying. You know, like in your bitchfest post...

Oh sorry, no. You wouldn't do that. Only those lowly casuals do anything like that! Eat cake, casuals! Eat your cake and be happy! Tralalalala!

Originally Posted by Fenzha

I think everyone is overlooking the main point of the mage tower!

- Veiled Wyrmtongue Chests, which are more lucrative

They seem to be exactly the same but have 90 shards in them instead of 40!

If only I had more than zero fucks to give.

I'd like to thank all of the undergeared people for dumping all their resources into the tower, so I could get my skins faster.

I wish you all the best of luck in your pet battle dungeon.

Originally Posted by Ol Scratch

So what if they pay the same amount of money each month?

There we go with the 15$ a month comment... You "not douchenozzles" are really old and tiring with your arguments. If you bothered to read I just pointed out you can easily get 900 ilvl without getting in touch with any of these awfully douchenozzlistic mythic raids. Mythic+ dungeons / heroic raids are enough. You can even get some of the best gear from the 5k nethershard tokens that requires absolutely no group play at all (even though it's more efficient in a group). But yeah, some people enjoy clicking squirrels all day, why aren't they rewarded all the best stuff? Why, Blizzard, why?

Originally Posted by Ol Scratch

I mean, sure, they could have simply made the whole thing scalable to your gear.

You mean like proving grounds so Mr Cheeser McCheeserson could go in naked just with his artifact and best trinkets, have really low ilvl overall to scale down the mob HP and crap on everything?

Originally Posted by Ol Scratch

constantly getting the middle finger from Blizzard when it comes to the fun stuff (cool mounts, cool-looking gear,

Tell me one cool mount a casual can't get in Legion, or some recolor thereof. Even the mythic Gul'dan mount / pvp Gladiator mount have recolored versions casuals can get (normal mode raiding is for casuals, not hardcore btw). Same with cool-looking gear, you can get a recolour of everything with just slight differences from mythic raid / elite pvp set, and if the mythic / elite set is better or worse is debatable, because some of them have too much stuff going on them. For example mythic t20 for druids looks worse than the non-mythic one.

Originally Posted by Ol Scratch

So what if they log in for the same amount of time, and do what they enjoy for the same amount of time? None of that matters! Only the elitist douchenozzles deserve the good stuff! Let them eat cake! <watches you toss your hair only moments before getting beheaded, then still being baffled as to why those lowly peons hate you so vehemently>

Yep, another prime example of Blizzard spoiling casuals this expansion, give them an inch they'll go a mile. After all it's the same 15$ a month! We all have the same stomachs, communism shall rule! (And we all know too well how happy were the peasants under communist rule after they executed all the filthy aristocrats, right?)

Why should it matter if a guy logs in to spend 4 hours doing raids, dungeons, pvp or running laps around Dalaran? It's 15$ a month, damn you Blizzard, stop discriminating people who prefer running circles in major cities, such unfairness.

Maybe you want your challenge artifact appearance sent in a mail package as well, after all you paid your sub and donated to mage tower, you deserve it. Why should you bother farming m+ or nethershards for gear, you should be able to stroll in wearing levelling greens, some people don't enjoy farming gear but enjoy getting artifact appearances, Blizzard should give you all the "fun" on a silver platter and require no effort or dedication in return. Or maybe you should be able to buy it in the in-game store. After all, it's just a cosmetic like the mystic runesaber and jewel of the firelord.

The biggest joke ever to rebuild mage tower after you have SPENT so much time to farm war supplies? This is bullshit

Out of control by dev team!!!