Anduin Broken Shore Cinematic
You can pick up Battered Trinket off the coast of the Broken Shore and start the (Alliance) quest line with A Found Memento.



Patch 7.2.5 Class Changes
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Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Of Brews And Blackouts (7.2.5)
One point of confusion that I've seen about the new RJW change: The tooltip isn't showing its increased damage, but the total damage per cast has gone up. The damage per tick didn't change. We'll get the tooltip fixed for the next build. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Discipline in 7.2.5
As with other specs, we'd like to get some discussion early in the PTR process about our goals for any significant changes, so that people giving feedback have context for what we're expecting.

First, some problems with live Discipline:
--The mana cost mechanic on Plea is clumsy and makes the spell require a complex evaluation to use at all.
--Relatedly, PW:Radiance is a no-cooldown Atonement applicator that is better than Plea in almost every way, and is basically limited only by total mana.
--So the spec is now balanced around very high Atonement count in raids (from using Radiance as much as possible) being the only time Discipline is strong. High-end players have gotten used to this as a playstyle as well.
--The spec is very dependent on mana, since more mana turning into more Radiances is virtually the only thing constraining your healing.

We understand that toppling any aspect of this situation gives alarm to high-end raiders, mainly related to power level of the spec. There was one way to make the spec "work" in raids, and the dedicated Discipline players have learned to optimize it to get good performance. And we can probably start assuaging some concerns by saying: without using all nearly your mana on concentrated Radiance usage, and without using focused Innervates to push that even further, we understand the power level of the spec would be clearly impacted absent other changes.

It is our intention to have fewer average Atonements out in raids after the patch, which will likely involve an increase to either Atonement transfer or simply to damage dealt. This, among other results, should result in an increase in power in all situations other than mass spread raid healing. And even in that situation, there's no overall reduction in power intended, other than perhaps in extreme cases of Innervate stacking. Ideally, Discipline will more regularly and stably be near that level of performance through a normal playstyle.

Because the spec is so complex, there will surely a lot of tuning of mana costs and damage amounts and the like throughout PTR, to get everything into the right place. But for some further goals on the changes that are in so far:
--The damage increase is on Smite (I believe this PTR build only has a small damage increase, but the internal build has a much larger one) moreso than Penance. So that your incentive is not to spam out as many Atonements as possible and then convert them to healing with Penance. A decision of more Atonements vs. more damage should be more relevant than it is now, when more Atonements are essentially always right.
--For similar reasons, reducing mana costs to free up overall mana on the spec was done to Smite rather than Plea. Smite should never feel wrong to cast, whereas shifting to cast a heal spell is an expenditure of mana to get an Atonement, very similar to any heal on a typical healer.
--PW:R going to more, shorter Atonements rather than fewer, longer Atonements is to allow a quick payoff on a lot of targets (5 or 10) through a Penance and some Smites. Cases such as group damage in dungeon healing should have a tool that's a smoother fit for them now.

These details are very much open to feedback like anything else, but the main point at the outset is: we're very aware we're poking at the one trick of a spec that is a bit of a one-trick pony in raids. And that requires making sure that all the other parts of the toolkit are up to snuff in the same process. Our hope is that it's not only a clear upgrade for everyone outside the high-end raid setting, but also that those players have a less degenerate and more varied rotation while still performing at the right level.

Thanks for the post. Any thoughts on making penance heal untalented again? IMO the spec is way hard to play in most situations for the average player. I found myself having a hard time keeping up tanks spike damage in 5 mans, even when out gearing the content.
This is in the current PTR build--Penance can be used in either mode baseline.

Also, the problem of the time used to apply Radiances is an issue, because the casting time has to be considered into how long you actually get to make use of those Atonements.
Yes, the current cast time and duration might be a little constrained--both are potential things to look at as we see how it plays out. The payoff from a PWR shouldn't feel like it's overly conditioned on getting an exact sequence of a few spells with no interruption.

Yeah, sure, makes sense, except one crucial point... you removed the Smite absorb per-cast. That was the one feature about the spell that actually favored having fewer Atonements. A Smite that heals 5 people now does actually even less healing than before, and while it's nice and all that it costs almost no mana, it's the time constraint on Disc now to actually cast Smite that creates a problem.
It's true that works against lower-Atonement healing somewhat. Overall this effect should work as a talent since it's somewhat situational in a way that contrasts nicely to Castigation, but there could be something different here if it becomes a problem. The Penitent is definitely better baseline since it's an option that is rarely a net power increase to use, but allows some important convenience/flexibility in some cases.

Lack of mana is not why Smite is not cast. Smite is not cast because by the time you're done doing everything else in the spec that costs a GCD, nobody with Atonement is still damaged unless you're on a fight that has literally constant damage every second from start to finish or your fellow healers are really, really bad at the game.
If nobody in the raid is damaged, then basically no healer has anything to do other than 1) set up something like a HoT (analogy: apply an Atonement), or 2) do some damage. So that's not unusual, and favors making sure that Smite is near-free or free and the mana decisions are on applying the heals (Atonements). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
7.2.5 Enhancement Class Discussion
That was an error in today's PTR build. Landslide should be in the third slot in L15 (as the patch notes described). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Anduin Broken Shore Cinematic, Patch 7.2.5 Class Changes started by chaud View original post
Comments 69 Comments
  1. micwini's Avatar
    Finally an Alliance only thing to make up for patch 5.3. Thanks.
  1. Eazy's Avatar
    They re-used Varian quote from SoO ending because Chris Metzen is retired...

    Though awesome cinematic.
  1. Zethras's Avatar
    Oh boys, baby Wrynn is going to go all Aragorn on us.
  1. valky94's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eazy View Post
    They re-used Varian quote from SoO ending because Chris Metzen is retired...

    Though awesome cinematic.
    even though he isnt a blizz employee anymore, they can still hire him as a VO, if he is interested that is
  1. Baelic's Avatar
    Inb4 Anduin undergoes a class-change and then we have a lore reason for Class-Change services to be a thing!
  1. Embalmo's Avatar
    Good on him, he grew up into a paladin.
  1. Teaon's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Zethras View Post
    Oh boys, baby Wrynn is going to go all Aragorn on us.
    he said he will come back to do thrall voice and others.
  1. Galivon's Avatar
    How do you start the cinematic in game?
  1. Tromage's Avatar
    Ok blizzard i know you forgot about the Horde but can you let us atleast interact with Horde NPCs for once this exp pack instead of giving us Khadgar and co all the time.
  1. jebus138's Avatar
    sooo....Shalamayne has just been chilling in Varian's death crater this whole time? Not one member of the legion, or any player has found it until Anduin kneels down and brushes it off?
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Weird. Did the quest on 2 chars. No cinematic.
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jebus138 View Post
    sooo....Shalamayne has just been chilling in Varian's death crater this whole time? Not one member of the legion, or any player has found it until Anduin kneels down and brushes it off?
    no one has had a chance since now, because in the quest chain we clear out the area long enough that this cinematic can happen, also its a fuckign busted ass sword its just metal now, nothing special about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Granyala View Post
    Weird. Did the quest on 2 chars. No cinematic.
    same here, handed in the quest, no quest chain, there is suppose to be a quest chain after, but idk may be part of the campaign now?
  1. Shinratensei's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jebus138 View Post
    sooo....Shalamayne has just been chilling in Varian's death crater this whole time? Not one member of the legion, or any player has found it until Anduin kneels down and brushes it off?
    There wasn't a light-yellowish glow around it. How could we have known? =P
  1. Beardedfreak's Avatar
    Those that are saying they can't get past the found memento you have to wait for the daily reset to occur for the npc to spawn. Not weekly.
  1. jebus138's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shinratensei View Post
    There wasn't a light-yellowish glow around it. How could we have known? =P
    This is true ha, although watching the video again, it looks like one of the two blades that makes Shalamayne, so the other half may still be lying around somewhere...
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Beardedfreak View Post
    Those that are saying they can't get past the found memento you have to wait for the daily reset to occur for the npc to spawn. Not weekly.
    oh so you get the memento wait a day, then a quest will spawn (where?) that will allow you to do the quest chain and then get the cinematic
  1. thilicen's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    oh so you get the memento wait a day, then a quest will spawn (where?) that will allow you to do the quest chain and then get the cinematic
    Should be a new quest at Deliverance point when it's ready in a day or two.

    That was damn awesome btw.
  1. Moozart's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by jebus138 View Post
    This is true ha, although watching the video again, it looks like one of the two blades that makes Shalamayne, so the other half may still be lying around somewhere...
    The fact that it was there is inconsistent.. In the Anduin comic he had the sword, that was MONTHS ago

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...on-of-the-wolf
  1. Zagnaphein's Avatar
    My heart aches.. tears.. i wanna do this quest so bad T_T
  1. MrV1ndictive's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    The fact that it was there is inconsistent.. In the Anduin comic he had the sword, that was MONTHS ago

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...on-of-the-wolf
    We don't know when that comic was set, only that it was after the Broken Shore. Could easily have been after this excursion.

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