Anduin Broken Shore Cinematic
You can pick up Battered Trinket off the coast of the Broken Shore and start the (Alliance) quest line with A Found Memento.



Patch 7.2.5 Class Changes
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Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Of Brews And Blackouts (7.2.5)
One point of confusion that I've seen about the new RJW change: The tooltip isn't showing its increased damage, but the total damage per cast has gone up. The damage per tick didn't change. We'll get the tooltip fixed for the next build. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
Discipline in 7.2.5
As with other specs, we'd like to get some discussion early in the PTR process about our goals for any significant changes, so that people giving feedback have context for what we're expecting.

First, some problems with live Discipline:
--The mana cost mechanic on Plea is clumsy and makes the spell require a complex evaluation to use at all.
--Relatedly, PW:Radiance is a no-cooldown Atonement applicator that is better than Plea in almost every way, and is basically limited only by total mana.
--So the spec is now balanced around very high Atonement count in raids (from using Radiance as much as possible) being the only time Discipline is strong. High-end players have gotten used to this as a playstyle as well.
--The spec is very dependent on mana, since more mana turning into more Radiances is virtually the only thing constraining your healing.

We understand that toppling any aspect of this situation gives alarm to high-end raiders, mainly related to power level of the spec. There was one way to make the spec "work" in raids, and the dedicated Discipline players have learned to optimize it to get good performance. And we can probably start assuaging some concerns by saying: without using all nearly your mana on concentrated Radiance usage, and without using focused Innervates to push that even further, we understand the power level of the spec would be clearly impacted absent other changes.

It is our intention to have fewer average Atonements out in raids after the patch, which will likely involve an increase to either Atonement transfer or simply to damage dealt. This, among other results, should result in an increase in power in all situations other than mass spread raid healing. And even in that situation, there's no overall reduction in power intended, other than perhaps in extreme cases of Innervate stacking. Ideally, Discipline will more regularly and stably be near that level of performance through a normal playstyle.

Because the spec is so complex, there will surely a lot of tuning of mana costs and damage amounts and the like throughout PTR, to get everything into the right place. But for some further goals on the changes that are in so far:
--The damage increase is on Smite (I believe this PTR build only has a small damage increase, but the internal build has a much larger one) moreso than Penance. So that your incentive is not to spam out as many Atonements as possible and then convert them to healing with Penance. A decision of more Atonements vs. more damage should be more relevant than it is now, when more Atonements are essentially always right.
--For similar reasons, reducing mana costs to free up overall mana on the spec was done to Smite rather than Plea. Smite should never feel wrong to cast, whereas shifting to cast a heal spell is an expenditure of mana to get an Atonement, very similar to any heal on a typical healer.
--PW:R going to more, shorter Atonements rather than fewer, longer Atonements is to allow a quick payoff on a lot of targets (5 or 10) through a Penance and some Smites. Cases such as group damage in dungeon healing should have a tool that's a smoother fit for them now.

These details are very much open to feedback like anything else, but the main point at the outset is: we're very aware we're poking at the one trick of a spec that is a bit of a one-trick pony in raids. And that requires making sure that all the other parts of the toolkit are up to snuff in the same process. Our hope is that it's not only a clear upgrade for everyone outside the high-end raid setting, but also that those players have a less degenerate and more varied rotation while still performing at the right level.

Thanks for the post. Any thoughts on making penance heal untalented again? IMO the spec is way hard to play in most situations for the average player. I found myself having a hard time keeping up tanks spike damage in 5 mans, even when out gearing the content.
This is in the current PTR build--Penance can be used in either mode baseline.

Also, the problem of the time used to apply Radiances is an issue, because the casting time has to be considered into how long you actually get to make use of those Atonements.
Yes, the current cast time and duration might be a little constrained--both are potential things to look at as we see how it plays out. The payoff from a PWR shouldn't feel like it's overly conditioned on getting an exact sequence of a few spells with no interruption.

Yeah, sure, makes sense, except one crucial point... you removed the Smite absorb per-cast. That was the one feature about the spell that actually favored having fewer Atonements. A Smite that heals 5 people now does actually even less healing than before, and while it's nice and all that it costs almost no mana, it's the time constraint on Disc now to actually cast Smite that creates a problem.
It's true that works against lower-Atonement healing somewhat. Overall this effect should work as a talent since it's somewhat situational in a way that contrasts nicely to Castigation, but there could be something different here if it becomes a problem. The Penitent is definitely better baseline since it's an option that is rarely a net power increase to use, but allows some important convenience/flexibility in some cases.

Lack of mana is not why Smite is not cast. Smite is not cast because by the time you're done doing everything else in the spec that costs a GCD, nobody with Atonement is still damaged unless you're on a fight that has literally constant damage every second from start to finish or your fellow healers are really, really bad at the game.
If nobody in the raid is damaged, then basically no healer has anything to do other than 1) set up something like a HoT (analogy: apply an Atonement), or 2) do some damage. So that's not unusual, and favors making sure that Smite is near-free or free and the mana decisions are on applying the heals (Atonements). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator / Artifact Calculator / PvP Talent Calculator)
7.2.5 Enhancement Class Discussion
That was an error in today's PTR build. Landslide should be in the third slot in L15 (as the patch notes described). (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This article was originally published in forum thread: Anduin Broken Shore Cinematic, Patch 7.2.5 Class Changes started by chaud View original post
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  1. Astalnar's Avatar
    So Anduin finally got to his senses, and rerolled a Paladin?
  1. Rivux's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    no one has had a chance since now, because in the quest chain we clear out the area long enough that this cinematic can happen, also its a fuckign busted ass sword its just metal now, nothing special about it

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    Its fused with holy power now...its more then just metal.....
  1. Trumpcat's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Nuvuk View Post
    I hope we dont lose Anduin as a neutral character.
    Anduin is the king of Stormwind, I don't understand what neutrality you imagine. And if that cinematic confirms anything it is that he will stand for his people.
  1. LordKain's Avatar
    People who are switching factions just because of one cinematic?

    You're not serious.......................are you? /facepalm
  1. Shirohibiki's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Aviemore View Post
    Not afraid to admit I got chills with that cinematic.
    I absolutely did too. Their cinematics are so gorgeous now, it's unbelievable. I cried a little. ;_;
  1. SinR's Avatar
    So is this finally the Alliance Fist-Pumping moment Metzen has been promising since MOP?
  1. micwini's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by lichbane View Post
    Finally an Alliance only thing to make up years of "Green Jesus".
    Well if we're going that route we still have 2 expansions worth of nearly only alliance exclusive content and favoritism!!
  1. -primordial's Avatar
    proper Mufasa & Simba moment, absolutely loved the pace of the cinematic and background score.
  1. Merie's Avatar
    Why is Graymane such a cuddly compassionate teddy bear? He's not even the same character from pre-WoW lore when he was basically a dick in it for himself.
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Rivux View Post
    Its fused with holy power now...its more then just metal.....
    what? i... i dont think you read what i said

    somone asked why no one whent to retreive it and i said because its just a hunk of broken metal, but then anduin whent and got it and empowered it, so then it is no longer a hunk of metal
  1. longfangs's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by micwini View Post
    Well if we're going that route we still have 2 expansions worth of nearly only alliance exclusive content and favoritism!!
    Lets see, like, just as an exercise of judgement, nothing serious:

    Vanilla wow, nothing for no one. A 1 - 1 H
    BC: mainly bloodelfs, so lets give it to the horde. A 1 - 2 H
    WtoLK: Arthas and Paladins, pretty much alliance. A 2 - 2 H
    Cata: Thrall our lord and savior, does it ALL, horde. A 2 - 3 H
    MoP: Thrall goes fishing or something a bit, Anduin rises, alliance. A 3 - 3 H
    WoD: Thrall meets his parents, rest does not really matter cuz cute, horde. A 3 - 4 H
    Legion: Illidan's story, mainly Night-elves, alliance. A 4 - 4 H

    I'd like to keep on the night-elves story line because it's far more interesting to me.
  1. micwini's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by longfangs View Post
    Lets see, like, just as an exercise of judgement, nothing serious:

    Vanilla wow, nothing for no one. A 1 - 1 H
    BC: mainly bloodelfs, so lets give it to the horde. A 1 - 2 H
    WtoLK: Arthas and Paladins, pretty much alliance. A 2 - 2 H
    Cata: Thrall our lord and savior, does it ALL, horde. A 2 - 3 H
    MoP: Thrall goes fishing or something a bit, Anduin rises, alliance. A 3 - 3 H
    WoD: Thrall meets his parents, rest does not really matter cuz cute, horde. A 3 - 4 H
    Legion: Illidan's story, mainly Night-elves, alliance. A 4 - 4 H

    I'd like to keep on the night-elves story line because it's far more interesting to me.
    Wrath was not alliance, paladins =/= alliance.

    MoP was horde horde horde. Remember 5.3?
  1. Heladys's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by longfangs View Post
    Lets see, like, just as an exercise of judgement, nothing serious:

    Vanilla wow, nothing for no one. A 1 - 1 H
    BC: mainly bloodelfs, so lets give it to the horde. A 1 - 2 H
    WtoLK: Arthas and Paladins, pretty much alliance. A 2 - 2 H
    Cata: Thrall our lord and savior, does it ALL, horde. A 2 - 3 H
    MoP: Thrall goes fishing or something a bit, Anduin rises, alliance. A 3 - 3 H
    WoD: Thrall meets his parents, rest does not really matter cuz cute, horde. A 3 - 4 H
    Legion: Illidan's story, mainly Night-elves, alliance. A 4 - 4 H

    I'd like to keep on the night-elves story line because it's far more interesting to me.
    You're delusional.

    LK: Was mostly balanced. Paladins are not alliance. Horde hero gets to show everyone how awesome the horde is when he turns bad guy. Alliance hero turns into an NPC you don't do shit with.

    MoP: Garrosh Garrosh Garrosh. Oh there's alliance here? Lol.

    Legion: Horde get to stick it to the alliance again while they sit there and take it. Balanced.
  1. Tupolew519's Avatar
    andunin becomes arthas. epic.
  1. Tisane's Avatar
    Loved the cinematic, gave me chills just like the cinematic where Varian dies
  1. Aerialslayer's Avatar
    Amazing cinematic. Right in the feels. Jeez. Watched it 6 times so far.
  1. BeakerPD's Avatar
    I call BS! Priests can't use swords!
  1. Spellweaver's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by FelPlague View Post
    the comics happen in a time, not when they are released, so this is after, hell the comics came out before legion even launched, so by that logic anduin was crying about varian being dead, and was the king, months before varian died

    the comic is set after this happened, not months ago before varian even died
    Except the Dreadlords trying to infiltrate Stormwind (shown in the comic) happened before the Alliance and Horde went back to the Broken Isles.
  1. jasontheking1234's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    The fact that it was there is inconsistent.. In the Anduin comic he had the sword, that was MONTHS ago

    https://worldofwarcraft.com/en-us/ne...on-of-the-wolf
    The Comic 100% Likely happened after the cinematic...

    Hence why the Demon knows of Anduin's BS....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moozart View Post
    We know exactly when it was, he was getting the letter telling him his father had died and his belongings. So it was well before he comes out here.
    Could say the same thing about the cinematic, as well:

    Genn: Oh, anduin. Forgot to show you something, just a little gift for before we depart. It's a letter Varian gave me. He told me to send it to you. However, I was so blind-sided by the horde, that I kind of forgot to give it to you...

    Anduin: Thanks, Genn. I'll read it when we get back...

    Legion Demons: So, the boy is following the path of the Wolf. It's only a matter of time before the prophecy becomes true, and BOTH The Demon hunter, as well as the King dis-assemble our Crusade....

    Dreadlord: Allow me to deal with him, I know how to take him on....

    Kil'jaeden: Do not fail me, Dreadlord.

    Dreadlord: Your will be done, master.

    *Comic Happens right after*

    Would make sense...
  1. FelPlague's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Spellweaver View Post
    Except the Dreadlords trying to infiltrate Stormwind (shown in the comic) happened before the Alliance and Horde went back to the Broken Isles.
    and how do you know that? they have been infilitrating the whole time, just no where in the force they did at that point

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