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by Published on 2013-01-23 06:21 AM

Diablo 3 Expansion Will Have a Beta, Patch 1.0.7 Notes (Updated 1/22), Black Weapons Staying The Same, StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm Cinematic

Ghostcrawler Hints at Unannounced Feature
Another interesting tweet from Ghostcrawler today! You can join in on the speculation on the forums.

Patch 5.2 - Elder Charms for 5.0 Content Only
It seems that the Mogu Charm of Fate will be replacing the current Elder Charm of Good Fortune in Patch 5.2, with the Elder Charm of Good Fortune being used for the Patch 5.0 raids only. The Mogu Charm of Fate will still be acquired from turning in Lesser Charm of Good Fortune though.

Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Just for clarity's sake, once patch 5.2 is live, Elder Charms of Good Fortune will only apply to Mogu'shan Vaults, Heart of Fear, Terrace of Endless Spring, the Sha of Anger, and Salyis' Warband (Galleon). There will also be a brand new Elder Charm equivalent currently called the Mogu Charm of Fate. MRFs will be used in the new content being released in 5.2 including Throne of Thunder, Nalak the Storm Lord, and Oondasta (ooh, say it again!). They'll still be "purchased" with lesser charms of good fortune though, exactly how the current Lesser Charm to Elder Charm conversion works.

We'll be sure to let you guys know how various currencies (including Conquest and Valor) will work before the release of the patch, so you have some time to plan.

StarCraft II: Heart of the Swarm Opening Cinematic
Blizzard released the Heart of the Swarm Trailer this morning!

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Content Difficulty Feedback
Because facerolling through a videogame is fun. No it is not.
For some people it is. Some people only want some mindless fun. Something they can do to relax rather than having to set their mind on overcoming a virtual challenge. That's one of the many reasons why invoking majorities in online discussions just doesn't work.

We all have our own reason to do what we do. Some want to test themselves and improve their skill, some just want to relax and have some fun time with their friends. Some don't even know what the concept of hardcore and casual gaming mean, let alone "skill" or "competitiveness" in something they may not even consider a hobby.

If you just want to relieve some stress there is plenty other things to do. If you just want to relieve some stress then why do you go do something ingame that is too hard for you? WHY DON'T YOU JUST STICK TO LFR and let others enjoy the game?
You can't really asky others to not enjoy the game so you can enjoy your own vision of the game. Neither option is right. Sure, there are areas of the game specifically tailored to a particular group of players (Heroic Raids are better fit for the hardcore crowd), but that shouldn't stop you from trying something different and find out if it's fun or not for you.

And YES it are the unskilled losers who ask for nerfs. Deal with it.

This game is not stressfull, it's not rocketscience, it's piss easy. But for the 'majority' it is stressfull to do heroic raids or challenge modes or even normal mode? I wonder what is challenging in your real life if WoW is already too hard for you.

There you go, the "unskilled losers" ask for nerfs. That's a not very nice way of putting an etiquette over a group of players that may have difficulties overcoming a challenge in the game. There's no real reason why you should go out of your way to also say that then real life for those players must be incredibly difficult. We get it, you consider yourself a very skilled player in World of Warcraft, that's great.

But in a game with as many players as World of Warcraft has, you have to realize that people come from very different backgrounds, some have been playing games for years, some are just starting to discover this world... Therefore, they have different expectations of how they would like to enjoy the content.

Of course, it may look selfish to ask for nerfs if you can overcome the content at its current difficulty, but, isn't it equally selfish to deny others content just because they don't have your skill?

That's what LFR was for. It's what Blizzard has said LFR was for right from the start, yet now you still see a need to make normal modes easier.
Since you mention normal difficulty, I think it's a good opportunity to mention this blog article by Watcher where he explains how developers tune the raid encounters:

I may be wrong but I find it incredibly hard to imagine that there is a boss in the game that is absolutely insurmountable to even a casual player.
If you give that person an infinite amount of time (and will) they'll probably overcome the encounter at some point, sure. But what actually happens is that, rather than keep at it, most players stop trying at some point out of frustration.

The will to persevere and continue battling a foe that feels like an unavoidable obstacle is actually not as common as you may think among gamers (otherwise, why would we even have difficulty settings in most games anyways?)

Then why bother with a game based on progression and challenge? Surely you'd be more at home playing Second Life.
There are several scales of challenge (and progression). On this game you can even progress solely on PVP or PVE if you so wish. So, this is not really an argument. Everyone knows at which pace they want to play the game, and if they don't know, they'll eventually find out as they encounter things that annoy them and things that don't.

Invoking an unquantitive "some" doesn't make your argument any more valid than his. The problem with you guys at Blizzard nowadays is that rather than having a philosophy / image of a direction you want to take the game in, you buckle in when 20 people throw up a moany post on the forums. You can't develop a game based on the whims of a few, as you said, but it's what you do.
The developers get their information from plenty of sources, it's certainly not just becase "20 people throw up a moany post on the forums". Otherwise, based just on the posts you can find on this forum, you'd see game design change from one extreme to the other with every single patch, which is not really the case (even when the developers change the direction on which they're taking the game).

why nerf (not to be mixed with tweaks and hotfixes) harder content that people enter to seek challenges and when they hit wall they do normal modes to gain better gear and experience.
As I mentioned on my previous post, the blog post I linked explains the reasoning the developers use to adjust certain fights.

But you can huh? Or where you trolling when you said this? :

"You have two talent specializations. Why not have one for DPS? Even if it's a different healing spec, do you really need it at every single moment of the day? It's your choice to go with two healing specs, and that obviously comes with a downside (just as a tank that decides to go with two different tanking specs and argues his DPS is low on that content).

Proceeding to argue that because you run with a dual healing spec there's no content you can do is not going to get you very far because the answer is simple: use a DPS spec for that content."

There's quite a difference between not being able to do (defeat) something and refusing to use the tools the game offers to do a certain piece of content. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Maybe it's time for more than two specs? (Source)
Why have trispec? Wouldn't it be a lot better to be able to save keybind/action bar layouts and remove dual spec.
Aren't those two models pretty much the same thing? (Source)

Healthstones too need an alternative. Maybe Mage? Health biscuits?
We want different classes to have some unique abilities. We don't think many raids get cancelled for want of healthstones. (Source)

I have 100 spell power. +10% SP procs > 110SP now. A different +10%SP procs. Now I have 120 or 121?
Depends entirely on how the spells are built. Some are designed to only look at unbuffed stats. (Source)

you don't think halo might be slightly unfair to a stealth class? make it not do dmg to stealth. lol 30 yrd radiu
Yes, we actually do. That wasn't the intent of Halo. The question is where do you cut off AE stealth breaking? (Source)

Do devs consider using spec-specific talent tree differences for tough balance tiers e.g. Shockwave 40 sec Arms, 20 sec Prot
Yeah we do that. Warlock, priest and druid have a lot. (Source)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Any reason DKs are the only class without a damaging level 90 talent option?
When they provided DPS, they became all about using that ability on CD, not the benefits the talents were designed to impart. (Source)

Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
If you want mages to play the spec they want. Why have the devs made fire mage so poor on single target dps? any changes inc?
All the raiding mages were Fire BC Fire was best in every situation. Now we see more Frost and Arcane, but still lots of Fire. (Source)

When have you ever told us the design intent of Arcane? We've been begging you to tell us for expansions now.
Feel like we've discussed it a lot. Try to use AB without running OOM. It's a nuker that uses a healer resource model. (Source)
and how exactly is scorch weaving circumventing THAT stated design concept?!
Scorch was free in 5.1 so it felt mandatory and allowed more AB stacks, which made Arcane damage too high. (Source)

Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Combo Breaker on the PTR feels a little low at 12%. Is this number set in stone? Or is this low to compensate for new Mastery?
It's not set in stone. There are a lot of monk changes to try out and iterate on. (Source)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Discs are the only healer with a scaling mana return - why?
Isn't Meditation a scaling mana return? (Source)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Will you compensate the loss from Blade Flurry (Combat rogues) somehow? There are still people who prefer combat over sub
We buffed Combat single target to make them more competitive with Assassination. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Sac for Destro is all about Havoc. For single target, talents compete fine.
We agree Havoc plays a big part of it. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
as projected, in pvp, second wind is ticking at 2,000 health a second.LOL want warrs in pvp you say? then you fail, hard.
Warrior success in PvP shouldn't hinge on a single mandatory talent. (Source)
you may have caused 1 warrior out there to actually try the other 2 talents on that tier in MOP. quit ur job.
What you are saying then is that Second Wind is still too powerful compared to the others? (Source)
Good luck with Second Wind. My prediction: By the end of 2013, it will still be picked by either 100% or 0%.
We think we can get it to a place where the passive benefit is balanced between the active healing of the other two. (Source)
Subtractive balancing is bad imo. You should be buffing the other two options not giving us 3 shitty ones.
Buffing is generally preferable. But keep in mind part of the problem is players feel they can't counter warrior healing. (Source)

also is it possible that challenge modes flopped because rewards for anything but gold are bad?
Why do you conclude they flopped? We're pretty happy with them... (Source)

Is game design more focused on ranged dps? PVP arena starts and Raid mechanics tend to favor RDPS over melee dps. Intended?
There are raid mechanics that favor range and those that favor melee. Any recent examples? (Source)

Strongly prefer 7x/wk. Can't play weekdays much, like to grind on weekends. Its was fun for me in cata
You can still do that. The runs after the first still give valor. It's not the most efficient way possible, but totally works. (Source)
Look at it this way. I got few hours per week to play & not every day. 7x/wk means I get full valor. Other not.
I can appreciate that. The current model is intended to be a compromise between folks who want long sessions vs. many sessions. (Source)
7 per week allows you both to do them on one day or on 7 days. The current implementation doesnt (without dr on vp)
But the current one lets you do 20 a week if you really want to. (Source)
you traded the one efficient way in cata for the one efficient way here. Don't pretend you're more diverse.
Disagree. The big difference in the previous two systems is after X you got *no* valor. Very hard to play other ways. (Source)

Do you honestly think players want to do 20 per week? RT But the current one lets you do 20 a week if you really wa
How many should you do a week? (As an aside, more did 1/day than 7/ week.) (Source)

it's something only HC raiders (a minority of the raiders) would say, or someone with more time than skill.
HC raiders tend to do content anyway. It's more casual raiders who drop out if rewards and prestige are lacking. (Source)
so am i right in asumming you are designing content for a slim minority and saying screw the rest of yall?
How did you get that from what I said? I said we tend to see players give up when their accomplishments are too easily outdated. (Source)
You seriously want players to have to grind 5.0 content before running 5.2?
Is it fair to players who played in 5.0 if they aren't ahead of those who did not? (I don't think we ever said "grind.") (Source)

I'd like to see the numbers/proof of this "the less hardcore raiders quit when we provide catch up stuff" crap.
You don't see it all the time? Think about those players who get lazy when a tier is near done. It's like that but more so. (Source)

Justify why there are no nerfs on hunters & shadow priests in 5.2 please?
Assuming you mean PvP, we're not hearing much on hunters since Stampede fix. Shadow is a concern. Worried they're under the radar. (Source)

You mentioned trivialising accomplishments in PvP before, but the players accomplishments are rating not gear surely?
We think it's a problem in PvP too. Players with big accomplishments should be able to show them off. That's part of the reward. (Source)

I agree with that statement but THIS game killed skill requirements. Gear > Skill. In Vanilla, 2 lvl 50s >1 lvl 60.
The same is true of PvP. The best players can swap mains and still achieve gladiator. That's skill. (Source)
Disagree. Look how quickly the best guilds can clear content. Other guilds can't do it with full gear and huge bonuses. (Source)

I remember someone saying wanted to remove the barrier for pve gear to get into pvp. pve gear now only good for instance stuff
PvE gear has higher ilevels than PvP gear. It just lacks two important stats. It's fine for getting you into PvP. (Source)

dislike attitude but I like the discussion. What do you balance arena on? High, low, or average players?
We try to balance for all. Different problems occur at lower brackets. Things that require skill to counter become OP. (Source)

The Elder Scrolls Online Trailer
Starcraft II wasn't the only game to release a trailer today. The new Elder Scrolls MMO also released one to go with their open beta signup.

Be sure to check out our TESO Wiki for all known information on the races and places of Tamriel and take a look at our Megathread for more information on the game.

by Published on 2013-01-22 07:11 AM

Update: Don't miss the Heart of the Swarm cinematic!

"Helpful Hints of Sanctuary" Contest Winners, Details on Dyes and Legendary Items, Take Flight with New Diablo Fan Art

Patch 5.2 - Elder Charms Changes
Patch 5.2 adds another way to earn Elder Charms, through daily quests! It seems that the Sunreaver Supply Crate and Kirin Tor Supply Crate have a chance to drop an Elder Charm of Good Fortune. The cap on these has been increased to 20, up from 10.

Patch 5.2 - New Legendary Quests
The next few quests in the legendary questline were added in a recent PTR build. Several of them still lack objectives.

This time around, after speaking with Wrathion you will have to earn Exalted standing by killing mobs on the Isle of the Thunder King. While you do this, you need to collect 20 legendary drops from the Throne of the Thunder raid, similar to the Sigil of Power and Sigil of Wisdom.

After you faction / realm completes enough of the War Effort to unlock the Lighting Forge, you can then proceed with the quest line, at some point collecting Titan Runestone and earning a legendary meta gem.

Level Name Objective
90Meet Me UpstairsMeet Wrathion upstairs on the second floor of the Tavern in the Mists in the Veiled Stair.
90Secrets of the First EmpireCollect 20 Secrets of the Empire and 40 Trillium Bar.
90I Need a ChampionEarn Exalted Reputation with the Black Prince by defeating mogu, Zandalari, and saurok enemies on the Isle of the Thunder King.
90The Lightning ForgeProgress through the Isle of the Thunder King until you unlock the Lightning Forge. Meet Wrathion outside the Lightning Forge and complete his task.
90Spirit of the Storm Lord
90The Crown of Heaven
90Echoes of the TitansCollect Titan Runestone x 12
90Heart of the Thunder King
90A Reckoning

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Cross-Realm Zones and PvP
Players have always been able to kill low level characters, this isn't something new with CRZ.

PvP realms were designed right from the get-go to be a place where random acts of PvP could take place (outside of a handful of safe zones), and we have no plans to change this.

Ganking is always a threat on these realms, there have always been players who enjoy it and who go out of their way to do so. It just comes with the PvP realm unfortunately. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 5.2 PvP Gear Changes
I am just going to jump in here again and respond to a few of the points that have been raised so far in this thread, but have not received a response.

I approve this change but more rewards for PvP have to be given!
We have a cosmetically different and unique weapon enchant planned to be available at 2200 rating. We are also looking into the possibility of adding in some additional vanity items and rewards that can be earned at various ratings.

Whats the point in having elite gear at all with this change? Why not just remove it?
The reason it's not simply removed is because with this change we are making it so that there's a difference in stats between the normal and elite versions, while it is not nearly as big as the difference between the Malevolent and Tyrannical gear, it's still desirable. The problem that lies in the current system we use is that you have 2 sets of PvP gear (Honor and Conquest) comparatively to there being four levels of gear for PvE (LFR, Valor, Normal and Heroic raid).

You need to remember that the Honor gear cannot be so good that it substitutes dungeon gear as an LFR entry item or is better than loot from LFR, Conquest gear cannot be better for PvE than the Heroic raid items, but both need to be stronger in PvP than their counterparts. This ends up creating a system where we have to balance two tiers of items against four, meaning there's a void for upgrades between Honor and Conquest items.

This new system means that we will now have four sets of PvP gear (Dreadful, Malevolent, Tyrannical and Elite Tyrannical) to scale up with the PvE sets so that the stats will increase in a much more gradual manner. So we can now avoid the gap in upgrades caused by having only two sets of PvP gear.

This means that you can get 27k Conq Points over say 3 months, dont spend them, and then buy they full set of Elite gear in 5.2.
Ooooh... You so sneaky! :O

Your plans have already been thwarted, though. Not only will you be having some trouble competing with those that have started buying the normal version of the Tyrannical gear while you are waiting, there is also a 5000 Conquest point cap. This will prevent you from saving up your points, so it is definitely recommended that you buy the normal version before you get the elite one to avoid missing out on gear.

Do you think players will feel rewarded for achieving a rating that can simply be "farmed" and is not earned like in the old days ?
The rating inflation will mean that ratings end up being higher at the end of the season than what has been seen previously, but this does not mean that they will be so dramatic that 2200 rating will be easily achieved by everyone. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Sounds like L90 talents. Greg says they're fun, but how many players actually enjoy them? Very, VERY few.
There's that invisible majority again. Why not try "I don't find them enjoyable and I can imagine other players feel similarly"? (Source)

Did you ever though about bringing back "5sec rule" back to healing ? To concept of having to sometimes stop healing to regen
As a player, I enjoyed gaming the 5SR. Canceling heals constantly was kind of tedious and the whole concept is a lil mathy. (Source)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
what is the intent behind mage and lock blanket removal but hunter still retains blanket? I really don`t see a distinction ...
We did nerf Silencing Shot. We were worried that mage/lock still bring a lot to the table & don't want hunter to just be "I burst!" (Source)

Monk (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Isn't Storm, Earth and Fire more of a shaman spell? Would have been perfect to reduce dmg taken a bit like Ancestral Awakenin
Pandaren had the spell in War 3. (Source)

Please comment on the abomination of a spell, "Ring of Peace"
We think monks need pretty drastic buffs to get them into PvP. Player not used to seeing them. If RoP's too powerful we can adjust. (Source)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
why can't paladins hold daggers?
I guess daggers are considered too gauche? It's been that way forever. (Source)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
What necessitated the PW:Solace/Holy Fire changes? Will new PW:Sol = cur. glyphed HF+Mindbender for damage/healing/mana?
We had to nerf Solace so much to make it non-mandatory that nobody used it. Trying a different approach now. (Source)

using that logic then whats the point of a priest having mass dispell...
We don't want classes to have abilities so critical that you must bring them - you can't bring 11 classes to a 10 player raid. (Source)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
here is some player feedback: launch 5.2! Lol cannot wait for blood fear's revamp. Honest Q: why did something so op go live?
We thought we could balance it by making the health cost sufficient. We were wrong. (Source)
Blood Fear went live the same reason Second Wind went live they didn't think it would be OP at higher Ilevel.
We're still not sure they are OP at higher level, but we can't make the experience unfun at low levels either. (Source)

Heya ghostie, I belive if you guys removed the 20% health cost from the new Blood Fear it would actually make it a viable pick
We could consider it. It probably needs a token health cost just to keep the "Blood" name. (Source)

Point in fact, Destro less than a 1% spread for 3 Grim, yet nerfed Sac for them. Aff Sac is ~6.5% ahead, only nerfed by 1.7%.
Last I looked, 90% of Affliction and Destro had Sac in PvE and 90% of Destro had Sac in PvP. That doesn't feel like a choice. (Source)
Even with Sac,Destro was bottom of lock DPS. So regardless of intent, it's a nerf to our worst spec.
Destro is good on some fights. Regardless, having a mandatory talent prop up a low dps spec isn't good design. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Is there any plans to make bloodsurge and wild strike useful in 5.2 instead of being a last resort move.
When would you not use Wild Strike? If you mean CS, RB and BT are better, that doesn't make Bloodsurge bad. (Source)
I think he means that outside of CS, it is better to have dead GCDs and pool rage(for HS spam in CS) than use WS.
Could make CS not affect HS, but then a lot of warriors have some relearning to do. (Source)
I think the solution is in changing WS, not in breaking something that works well (heroic strike).
But what would you change WS to? Ultimately it's a priority question of whether it beats HS, RB etc. (Source)

Any plans for Warriors Deadly Calm? Most seem to just macro it to HS and be done with it. Seems rather weak at the moment.
We probably should not have added it back in MoP. It's not interesting and the class doesn't need it. (Source)

Trinkets? No. Haste being desirable? Maybe. Thought about using an Enh/Guardian type of haste solution?
Fury damage is very high. If we e.g. gave more rage from haste we would have to nerf damage accordingly. (Source)

And Arm's proposed 5.2 rotation will mean more consistent dmg in D Stance & complaints about warrior survival.
Nerfing Dstance (for non Prot) and buffing SW is something we'd consider, but the other 2 talent would stay dead in PvP. (Source)
As long as SW gives the passive rage, the other 2 will stay dead. Give that passively to all warriors.
We don't think it's the rage. Players complain that SW warriors hard to kill from the healing. Prob exactly why warriors take it. (Source)

WS is ignored 90% of the time cuz of GCD caps, heroic strike used much more to dump rage.
That's a tricky issue to fix without screwing up rotation. HS is good during CS because it stacks. Hard to push other things out. (Source)

You may not have removed warriors from PVP but you made them boring to play in PvE. I am tired of page after page of nerfs.
Just curious - what warrior nerf has made them boring in PvE? TfB never seemed to be that popular... (Source)

Not only that, you tell us you dwont give us new dungeons AND you said we wont have many catch up mechnics
Read my words: you have many catch up mechanics. But you do have to catch up in a way previous tiers let you ignore. (Source)

is HC raiders and their desires a correct use of resources given that 74% of raiders is 10/16 normal and only ~5% is 6+/16 HC?
Hardcore raiders may be a small minority, but they can be thought leaders, and other raiders follow their progression. (Source)
do anyone beside other HC'ers care? Personally I hope for good content for the majority of players, not the 5%.
Check out, just an example, how many people watch progression streams or kill videos. It isn't trivial (nor is it everyone). (Source)

what happened to 7 dungeon runs per week for valor, can we have this back instead of having to daily for 80 valor?
Old model: 7 per week but 8th useless. New model, 1 a day then as many as you want for less. (Source)
this is so misleading. It was seven a week then you hit cap. It's now ~20 a week until you reach cap. Stop pretending.
You mean the cap is bigger? I understand what you're saying now. We felt larger cap critical to allow options. Else, 1 way wins. (Source)
You know what won for me? I stopped caring about capping, it's so ridiculously out of reach for my 8 hours of play.
The system works better if players play at their own pace. We just need some kind of cap or someone would break everything. (Source)
Players want to play at their own pace but won't get as much reward from their own pace. They get frustrated.
Here's the kicker: that pace is different for different players. How to not alienate those who want to play more vs. less? (Source)
With trully optional content. And not "optional" content that gives huge benefits to other activities.
To solve the problem, a player who want to progress his / her character needs something to do that isn't wait til next week (Source)
That approach doesn't work either. Players consider optional content optional and skip over it (not all of course). (Source)

Currently in raiding some fights require hugely fluctuating amounts of healers (in 25's). Will this be a bit better in 5.2?
We don't design them that way intentionally. Often it happens when DPS checks are tight or there is a lot of avoidable damage. (Source)

Speaking of Royal Satchel; How do you feel about the only bag created with MOP mats is locked away, and expensive?
I made some on one of my characters and can't sell them. They can't be *that* valuable. (Source)

Any near-future plans to make secondary professions account-wide? I've seen many requests in forums too.
Potentially. The risk is that if there is ever less content in the game, we will have lost leveling / gearing alts as content. (Source)

will we ever see a catch-up system like with cooking for other professions?
Likely in some form. We wanted to see how Cooking worked out. (Source)

Any near-future plans to make secondary professions account-wide? I've seen many requests in forums too.
Potentially. The risk is that if there is ever less content in the game, we will have lost leveling / gearing alts as content. (Source)
Idk if the secondary-profs leveling exp is compelling enough to "miss" on the Nth time, much less the first.
I agree in the abstract, but once we changed it we could never change it back. We always have to be alert to such consequences. (Source)

Hi Greg, now game become more soloable. Do you worry about lack of social interaction in the game?
All the time! Players really love solo content, such as soloing old raids, but the social fabric is also critical. (Source)

remove low pop servers and give the players free transfers to normal pop servers and problem solved
If it was truly that simple, don't you think we would have done so? One tiny example: what if someone has your name already? (Source)
free name change. players would be happy to name change. rather then playing on none pop realm
With all due respect, I think you're wrong that players will happily change their names. (Source)
With ALL do also want the 25$ soo yeaa =/
Generally speaking, WoW has been successful because players enjoy playing it, not because we gouge them. Players see through that. (Source)
WoW has been successful, cuz of it's RTS legacy and lack of competition at start. The gouging came with Activision
That's just tinfoil hat stuff from players guessing how we work. Look at Tom's recent answer on that question. (Source)

So are you trying to appease the development staff or the players?
The players of course, but as we've discussed recently, players don't speak with one voice. (Source)

I thought forums worked great STOPShort data format telegraphs of the 21st century STOP
We might try it again someday. I can answer a lot more tweets than I ever could forum posts though. (Source)

What feedback could be so tremendous that you listen to it? And change it like players suggest, not like you feel it must be.
Off the top of my head we changed Prep, TfB, Gargoyle, transmog restrictions, rep for dungeons... all based on player feedback. (Source)
Transmog restrictions and dungeontabards for rep feedback suggested the current system? I have a hard time believing that.
The changes in 5.2 to both of those systems were driven very heavily by player feedback. (Source)

Furthermore isn't making changes based on player feedback an example of majorities making decisions?
No. We make changes based on a single well-thought-out argument. That's what I'm saying: we don't design based on polling. (Source)

The Elder Scrolls Online Beta Signup Open
Head to the official TESO site to sign up for the beta, and be sure to check out our TESO Wiki for all known information on the races and places of Tamriel! Take a look at our Megathread for more information on the game.

TCG Art Update
Blizzard has updated the Trading Card Game art gallery to feature ten new pieces.

by Published on 2013-01-20 08:36 PM

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Tier 15 Rogue Armor Set Preview
Keep in mind that this is just a preview and the final sets may be different!

Tier 15 Armor Sets Recap
Now that all but the Warrior Tier 15 sets have been added, it is time for a recap!

Class Male Image Female Image Video
Death Knight Male Female Video
Druid Male Female Video
Hunter Male Female Video
Mage Male Female Video
Monk Male Female Video
Paladin Male Female Video
Priest Male Female Video
Rogue Male Female Video
Shaman Male Female Video
Warlock Male Female Video

Patch 5.2 - New Frog Model and Pet Battle Tweets
Mumper shared the new Frog model on Twitter recently, and apparently people are excited! You can see the old frog model next to it for comparison. Only new frog pets will use this model, older ones will continue to use the older one.

Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Next PTR push, transferred characters will get a random set of 25 max level pets to test with. Aki quest also flagged complete. Should help! Transferring your actual pets is very challenging since we copy chars, not accounts. This solution works nice though. (Source)

The issue with mech and undead not proccing their rez is a known bug and we plan to fix it in 5.2.0 (Source)

CRZ and Scourged Whelpling... oops, amirite?
Your prayers have been answered. We made a dramatic reduction to the respawn timer on these in 5.2.0. (Source)

In 5.2 the respawn is better for scourge whelpling. Will the same be applied to Minfernal?
No changes to the Minfernal, we are happy with it's capture rate. Scourged whelp was way off, its similar to Minfernal now. (Source)

How much experience does an elite pet give (5.2) and can each individual boss (elite) pet be beaten once a day? Curious for leveling
They give standard XP but their daily quest has a much higher chance to drop a rare battle-stone. (Source)
Ah cool so fables bag drops a pet and a stone (higher chance). If the fables bag can drop stones why doesn't the panda element bag?
Spirit tamers give a massive multiplier to XP on their daily's already, no need for the stone. (Source)

That's interesting. Each time an Elite Battle Pet is despawned, it spawns in as a different level. Bug? Still legendary quality though.
Different levels each time is a bug, fixed in next build. (Source)

So uh, stupid question but can multiple people battle an Elite Pet at the same time? Unlike Tamer teams, it despawns when you forfeit/lose.
Despawn on elite pets is a bug, fixed in next build to work like normal tamers. (Source)

Especially curious about Stunted Direhorn and Zandalari Hatchling. Figuring out if the raid pets come from mobs or bosses would be neat too.
Plan is to have bonus rolls work for raid boss pets. Currently 2 of those and one pet on raid trash. Currently plan is that they will drop as normal loot and on bonus rolls. Stunted Direhorn is not 5.2 anymore, most likely 5.3 at this point. We have a cool replacement though! That was just a scaled down direhorn, no wonder it looked good! Shooting for a custom model in 5.3.0 (Source)

Are battle pet collections intended to not transfer to the PTR? Very tough to test if we have to start from scratch on the PTR.
We currently do not have tech to move pets with characters since the pets are account based. We would like to solve this as well. (Source)

Any chance of seeing that Chain Pet Leash from the MoP beta again? Some of my pets are too... Aggressive for a rope one
Never went away, it's still in the pet rewards bag from daily's. (Source) - (As far as we know, it is not actually in the bags anymore)

Are Flawless Battle-Stones supposed to change the breed of a pet to a random one when upgrading?
No, only affects quality. (Source)

Are epic battle stones planned to be implemented in 5.2? I didn't think they were, but I've seen a couple people think otherwise.
Nope, holding off on those a bit longer still. They will come along with epic pets at the same time most likely. (Source)

Will it be possible to get the new pets in LFR - for example son of animus and living sandling. It'd sure give me a lot of incentive
Yup, they are in all difficulties, including LFR. (Source)

Will we ever see skin-updates for old mounts, like we did with Gryphons and Wyverns? They look amazing! *Imagines Kodo like that*
Always a chance if we have a good place to use them. (Source)

Drop rates on the new world boss mounts be more reasonable in 5.2?
They will be the same as previous. (Source)

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
I feel that classes have been boiled down over the years. I'd like to see more crazy incorporated into classes! #GhostlyStrike
Me too. Class diversity is typically the enemy of class balance. Both are important though! (Source)

Love how all mage specs are competitive. Need the same with locks, sick and tired of playing aff in PVE!
Mages disagree that they are all competitive. (Source)

However MM is used as rarely - only to see that it still cant pull the weight.
I'm quite torn on how to fix multiple DPS specs. We used to think that a 5% delta was okay, but players still pick the highest. (Source)

More class/spec differentiation/flavor. Better UI/visualization of spells/buffs. Even more story and alliance wins
Theoretically, how to add class differentiation without making X mandatory in small groups? Very tough for us to solve. (Source)

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Can I have more than 1 dk per server since they aren't a hero class anymore?
We agree that limitation probably isn't necessary any longer. (Source)

I mean Dks are just destroyed in PVP right now. I will pay for 10 mins of your time if you hear me out...seriously
Destroyed by whom? Warriors and mages who are getting nerfed (more) in 5.2? (Source)

Figured I'd try asking again but is the way HB gets spammed by Frost DW in both single target and aoe considered fine by devs?
We think it's borderline. Seems unfair to tell warriors they can't use WW single target but then let DKs do it. (Source)

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
resto druid can do nothing except hot,hot and hot.Do you think druid is designed using hot at all time?
Ideally a lot of hots, but not 100%. (Source)

What do you feel is the hardest healer to pvp balance? When I think about hots my mind hurts so Id say druids.
Over the course of all expansions, I'd say druids. It's the combo of hots + shifting + Cyclone. (Source)

Mage (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
On Mages. Was increased mana regen from Tier6 talents a good choice? It only affects Arcane, making it "double dib" on them.
On the whole, we're not sure. They are probably too focused on Arcane at the expense of Fire and Frost. (Source)

Greg do you think its possible to honestly get frostbolt back to Wrath stages? putting it on FoF and reduce cast time? please.
Not crazy about reducing cast times on anything, but as you can see, we're still trying out various FoF design on PTR. (Source)

Do you not think Scorch was mana management? What do you think we were using it for, our health?
Isn't that the defense you could offer of any loophole? "I liked this, because it let me get around limitations." (Source)
We offer nothing but using talents to our advantage, which is what they r there for, no? It's not our fault, you made it.
If the Scorch rotation is just that much fun, we could nerf Arcane DPS instead to account for being at 6 stacks so often. (Source)
It's totally not your fault. Not sure where that is coming from. It's still our responsibility to fix it. (Source)
You made the tree and scorn us for using it to our advantage? Shame on you. We r suppose to manage mana right?
So under that logic if you found a way to keep your crit rate at 100% and we fixed it, that is scorning you? (Source)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Please consider making Divine purpose baseline. Even if it has a lower proc chance it would help sustained damage.
We heard from a lot of paladins who hated DP. A talent seemed like a good solution. (Source)
no paladin in their right mind would complain about divine purpose, a free 3 paladin proc come on?
They did. It wasn't the free power -- it was the unprecitability of the rotation. (Source)

Why is Holy Radiance costing 21.6k Mana when you removed Judgement of the Pure and Replenishment
Because LoD and WoG are free. (Source)

Hey I was wondering if there was way to look into bringing back Seal of Command as another seal option. Rets want it back.
What it would do? It's hard enough getting them to use the 3-4 they have. (Source)
SoJ proc from judgement = actully usable. SoT damage increase is needed. Its a dps loss even in wind lord.
You're using SoR or SoJ on a single target? (Source)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
cont. Why not cap it (Divine Aegis) at 40%, but allow larger single heals to create larger shields?
Yeah potentially. It's largely a problem that using all AEs reigns supreme in 25s but single targets are great for 10s. (Source)

Holy PVP- should it be viable? Any comment on the current low number of healer priests (both holy and disc) on all ladders?
Easier to balance. Easier to learn. But that's small consolation for the guy who loves his non-traditional PvP spec. (Source)
We struggle with this question a lot. You can argue that PvP would be better for many players with fewer specs than 34. (Source)

stop being lazy and remake the priests 90 set of talents..Mechanics like halo shouldnt even be in the game.. rest is just bad.
Those usually aren't the talents we hear much complaining about. (Source)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
New and existing players are going to choose classes that fit their playstyle AND give them options. Rogues only do one thing.
Do you really think it's a ranged vs melee thing? Many DPS shaman e.g. don't swap Enh to Ele all the time. Pure vs hybrid? (Source)

Do you think there might be just a bit too much passive damage going on with rogues now? That's what personally turned me off.
To use FPS terms, the high auto+poison damage keeps rogues feeling like an SMG instead of a shotgun. Maybe time for a change? (Source)
if you're going to use fps terms don't you think a rogue should be more like a sniper rather than a shotgun
Snipers have very low ROF though. They also tend to be complained about in FPS for the same reasons - uncounterable burst. (Source)
in most games sniping takes more skill, which makes the good players not mind its extra power
You and I read different FPS forums. (Source)

While I'm quite happy with how my rogue plays (I roll assassination), the analogy you make is pretty spot-on.
And I'm not saying the SMG feel is a bad design. Watching bars chew away quickly can be entertaining too. Diversity is good. (Source)

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
GC do you think arms rotation feels a little too unpredictable? I understand fury being unpredictable but why arms?
The 5.2 change to Taste for Blood removes one source of RNG. Sudden Death will still provide a break from monotony. (Source)

On PTR, Taste for Blood comes at level 20, but Overpower at level 30. Kind of hard to use TfB without the ability it procs
They should both be level 20. Did you roll a new warrior for PTR? (Source)

your work isn't done, my rogue can still go 100-0 in shockwave
What are the sources of the damage being used to kill you in those 4 sec? (Source)
you seriously need a screenshot?my rogue in ful mal died in shockwave today on arena, just warrior,druid was CCd
How long do you think you should be able to live? How many sec should it take someone to kill you? (Source)
honestly we don't know. We leave that to you.
The complaint was that 4 sec of stun was too short. I'm just trying to establish expectations here. 6 sec? 10? 30? (Source)

Just tried Arms on the PTR. V. Boring. Needs another proc/dot/thing to track. MS>OP>OP>Slam+CS is just dull. Needs salt.
Are you sure you're Slamming at the right time? It shouldn't always follow dual OPs AFAIK. (Source)
It feels unfinished, uninspired, bland, it needs another button to press, another mechanic, something else, a random element.
The random element is what many warriors didn't like. Fury can be more about unpredictability (which fits). (Source)

as projected, in pvp, second wind is ticking at 2,000 health a second.LOL want warrs in pvp you say? then you fail, hard.
Warrior success in PvP shouldn't hinge on a single mandatory talent. (Source)
you may have caused 1 warrior out there to actually try the other 2 talents on that tier in MOP. quit ur job.
What you are saying then is that Second Wind is still too powerful compared to the others? (Source)

people complain about warrior cd stacking. Maybe that's the problem with their burst?
War Banner and Recklessness play well together, but we've heard fewer complaints since trinket and TfB changes. (Source)

the ilvl requirements for 5.2 LFR = too high, especially w/out new 5 mans. Running 5.2 dailies for weeks for new gear = no fun
What about 5.0 LFR? There are 5 you can run a week. (Source)

What is with the 1 hr.+ long DPS queues for LFR?
Typically, it's not enough healers queuing. (Source)

however, the Asian special version iLV for 25-raids really forced Asian players feel to switch to 25s over an over again
Asian players overwhelmingly told us they liked having dual lockouts. In EU and NA some love it, some hate it. (Source)

Too many times I'm in LFR where 1/3 of the healers are in dps spec and dpsing, leaving us with 3 healers. How to stop this?
There are 2 issues. One, we don't have an offspec LFR loot system yet. Two, the fights don't often need that much healing. (Source)

I've been playing mmo since UO beta. Your idea ruins my enjoyment. You guys can do heroic mode. Leave 10m for casual
The reason we went to 10s being equal for progression is because so many players asked us to. How to rectify that? (Source)

Tears of boredom is all we have from Galleon. Waiting hours in hopes of his spawn isn't a challenge. It's stupid.
Which is why the 5.2 boss will be different. (Source)

I have a concern regarding the tag 5.2 World Bosses. Won't players just wait for a guild to get a boss to 5% and hit it?
For the Sha equivalent, does anyone care? For the Galleon equivalent... just try it. (Source)

what happened to 7 dungeon runs per week for valor, can we have this back instead of having to daily for 80 valor?
Old model: 7 per week but 8th useless. New model, 1 a day then as many as you want for less. (Source)
Strongly prefer 7x/wk. Can't play weekdays much, like to grind on weekends. Its was fun for me in cata
You can still do that. The runs after the first still give valor. It's not the most efficient way possible, but totally works. (Source)

it's something only HC raiders (a minority of the raiders) would say, or someone with more time than skill.
HC raiders tend to do content anyway. It's more casual raiders who drop out if rewards and prestige are lacking. (Source)
Really? Often when i read forums i think its hc raiders who leave the game if they did the content.
They might complain about the loss of their prestige, but it typically doesn't stop them from raiding. For less HC, it does. (Source)

For my groups and myself, we cleared mech. The instance was short (important), relatively easy (important), (1/2)
Players who went to Pathaleon weren't the problem. (Source)

1h & 2h Strength weapons drop from the same bosses while Caster and Agi weapons were spread out, any reason for this?
Not really. We just try to keep loot from always falling into a predictable pattern. (Source)

I have pvp gear stashed in the bank from Sha which I don't use because I don't pvp.
That's okay. Hopefully there are some players who look at a couple of PvP pieces and decide to give it a try. (Source)

The problem for PVP is you listen to 1500 players. Balance for 2.2, or wherever the T2 cutoff is if its changed
Aren't you kind of saying that unskilled players don't deserve a fun game? Or are they just too ignorant to grasp issues? (Source)

I'm reading the 5.2 PTR notes, and it looks like monks are going to be like DK's in season 5... Your thoughts?
We hope not, but monks are so absent from PvP right now that we fear the solutions need to be dramatic, not subtle. (Source)

Do you think your entire defensive toolkit should have counters? I truly believe that's where paper vs practice affects ret.
Yes! Why would it be fair to have things with no counter at all? (Source)

CC DRs, pvp power, and class burst CDs all need to be heavily looked at. Is it going to be 6.0 before these issues are fixed?
We've made DR changes and burst changes in 5.2. What needs to change about PvP Power? Be specific if you want us to discuss it. (Source)

Please tell me that there's a global resilience buff coming in 5.2? PVP damage is actually absurd (_ALL_ classes/specs).
We don't think damage is too high, just a few outliers. Q: How long should it take to kill someone? How long does it take now? (Source)

I don't think they're too complex, but macro'ing is integral to any class' peak performance (rightfully, imo).
Yeah it's pretty hard to be optimal in PvP without macros for any class, but I'm not sure that's something we need to fix. (Source)

Hello Mr. Street. Isn't that unfair that all old PvP art is unavailable to PvE players while all old PvE art is to PvP'ers?
All old art isn't available to anyone. We eventually allow access to more and more, just not all immediately. (Source)

Just come up with a mechanic that allows people with mains to catch up faster on their alts.
It's just balance. Playing alts had entertained a lot of players for years. Too much streamlining risks removing that gameplay. (Source)
I like the idea of leveling a toon and being able to swap classes. (A la FFXI) and more invested more returned.
It's an interesting discussion of when it's okay for players to not have to level a second character. (Source)

Wait, so it's ok to make us burn out by running the same content for months? Bad drops? No drops? ICC anyone?
It's a balance. Finishing a raid in 2 weeks (because you have all the loot) is as lame as grinding it for 8 months. (Source)

Ghostcrawler, please answer this question..
On letting players only level once? It's a big discussion. How important or interesting is leveling after the first time? (Source)

V. of the A- any chance the 1k VP trigger could be obtained on multiple characters to spread the load, instead of just one?
Problem with that is now you should constantly swap characters to benefit from "first of the day" bonuses and not play your main. (Source)

Hey Greg! With talents and Glyph being easy to apebt and change, want reason do you use to defende duel spec? as in more spec
Maybe it's time for more than two specs? (Source)

You removed helm enchants because they were 'mandatory'. Why add item upgrades which make capping valor 'mandatory'?
Helm enchants had one source. Valor has many. (Source)

How come we cant put MOP LFR and tier items in Void storage? (not upgraded)
At the moment, it would strip the upgrades from the items. We are fixing it for 5.2 and you can use Void Storage on them as expected. (Source)

So then what you are considering is to get all secondary stats very close in value and remove hit/exp?
Or keep reforging, but axe hit/exp from the game. Choosing haste vs. crit is less mathy and more (though not 100%) about style. (Source)

Many players actually enjoy playing with the reforge feature. If its not fun for you, dont use it.
Can you explain what's fun about it for you? In my experience, many players use a spreadsheet etc. to make the decisions for them. (Source)

Would it be technically difficult to let us choose reforging amounts? E.g. only reforging 122 hit instead of the maximum 187
We've discussed that as a potential solution too. (Source)

About transmog in 5.2, why we can't transmog 2h sword into spear or staff is becos of tech problem? pleaz answer my question.
We have answered this and it is because the animations use what the weapon really is, not what it looks like. (Source)
Surely you must have programmers who can make it work? Players care about these things, more than you might think
Of course they do. At the end of the day there are only so many of us. We hire people whenever we find good ones though. (Source)

I call BS. "Increase" is paltry compared to multiple gifts; I encounter multiple Bling's a day.
BC that wasn't the reason. It felt like work to log in 10 alts to maximize a Bling appearance. It made something fun not fun. (Source)

You can also LFR with friends. I do it often.
Yes, that is a good point. Anything with friends in WoW is good. (Source)

Also: If Discovery and newness goes so well, why are you afraid of making radical changes between expansions?
"Even if the design is better now, I don't want to have to relearn my class." Don't see on the forums a lot, but very common. (Source)
We lose a lot of players who say they couldn't keep up the rate of change. (Source)

Ever consider talking one-on-one in-depth with players about game design, just to bounce around ideas and brainstorm? Curious.
Yeah, I love stuff like that. Figuring out a medium and not causing excluded players to feel excluded are the challenges. (Source)

"and we don't care anyway." makes me feel im losing my time here.
Context FTW. We don't care if a "silent majority" agrees with you. We care about the strength of your argument or feedback. (Source)

Devil's advocate: people don't like working harder, even in "gimme content", when they don't have to.
I do really inefficient things in some games so long as they're fun. I think it's an MMO phenomenon: the fear of being wrong. (Source)

Sites like noxxic, EJ, IV and you'll see the benefit we TC's bring. Look at the wow forums, what benefits do the whiners bring
Humor me. How does theorycrafting make the game more fun (excluding the people who enjoy geeking out on the numbers)? (Source)

Ah, crap. This is probably going to cement my reputation as a apologist.
I get that Twitter has huge limits. Still, it allows me to reach more player than forums did, w/out the "manifesto" problem. (Source)
How about something that's kindof like Twitter which doesn't allow long questions but does allow long answers?
I don't really have time for long answers. That's the problem. (Source)

But my tweets can come across as harsh or blunt. I get that. Not sure of the right solution. (Source)
It's the limit of characters. No space left to be very polite. It's the system, not us.
Agreed. So maybe players could stop imagining words that aren't actually there? (Source)

Any suggestions for ways to help devs? Forum posts? Compilations of posts? Twitter? Going to HQ and demanding chngs?
I would suggest tweets for short, simple things, and succinct forum posts for more in-depth discussions. (Source)

Not to mention cannibalizing on the guild behind you in progression will be back with a vengeance.
Why does the community often leap from one extreme to the other? Just because it's not 100 degrees out doesn't mean it's 0 degrees. (Source)
why does blizzard make balance changes from one extreme to another.
Any examples? I feel most of our balance changes are pretty modest. They are often 10 to 20% swings. (Source)
You wiped out all talents, made new ones. Thats like a 100% swing. Ring of Frost is a talent, LOL!
Okay, though we didn't do that for balance reasons per se, but because the old talent system was kind of dumb. (Source)
When you made the Talent build before MoP you said it was an important change for the better, and now you say it was dumb?
Look back at our comments. We tried to fix the talent design in Cataclysm. It helped, but not enough. You guys deserve better. (Source)

How hard would it be to take several of the best players that have "credibility" and just make the changes they agree on?
How on Earth would you identify those players? (Source)

it's very dissapointing going on to WOL and seeing cn players ahead of me with higher gear then we can obtain unfair?
It's hard to compare. They waited a long time for LK and Cataclysm while your ilevels were ahead of theirs. (Source

Customer Support Web Chat
Blizzard has finally added the option to use chat for customer support, rather than having to call!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)
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Review the steps below to contact us:

  • Visit the Contact Blizzard Support page.
  • Select the game or product you require assistance with and fine-tune your search with the options presented.
  • Your search will provide you with helpful support articles to resolve your issue. If available, you will have the option to contact us by ticket, through our live web chat, or by phone.

Note: Web chat and phone support availability vary based on issue type and hours of operation.

Why is Web Chat not available for my issue?
Web chat is available for all issues we can assist with in that format. We want to make sure we address your issue completely the first time, and this new system allows us to better help you. If web chat is not the best way to resolve the issue, the option will not be presented.

Where did the phone number go?
If you have an issue that requires a phone call, the system will provide you with our contact number. We want to provide all the tools necessary for you to resolve your issue without calling us – no one likes to wait for an answer!

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Guild Wars 2 Music Update and Developer Livestream
ArenaNet has added many new music clips and Voiceover Outtakes to their Soundcloud page. Also, don't miss the transcripts of the recent Developer Livestream on GW2Guru.

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Patch 5.2 - Isle of the Thunder King
The Isle of the Thunder King is the new daily quest area in Patch 5.2, as well as where the Throne of Thunder raid is located. You used to be able to get there from a portal in your faction's capital in the Vale of Eternal Blossoms, but the most recent PTR build moved it to near the Shado-Pan Garrison in Townlong Steppes. The entire island is restricted to ground mounts only.

Upon arrival, you are in your faction's base, with daily quests and vendors. As Dave Kosak reminded everyone, many things could still be placeholders, as this is still the PTR.

In the Horde base, there is a quartermaster there for the new faction, but currently it is just Vasarin Redmorn as a placeholder, as well as Aethas, and some other familiar faces. There is also a portal back to Shado-Pan Garrison.

Over in the Alliance base, you find the Kirin Tor, The Silver Covenant, Jaina, and Image of Archmage Vargoth, along with some other familiar faces.

After picking up your daily quests, you cross the bridges to the main island area. On your way out, you can grab a 60 second haste increase and power cost reduction buff from one of the Mana Collectors. This area is guarded by Silvermoon Spellbreakers and Sunreaver Constructs.

Throughout the island, there are several rare mobs that can drop a stone that is used to summon a mob that requires a group to defeat. You can also find the stones in the various chests that spawn across the island, similar to the Ancient Guo-Lai Cache.

The center of the island is the Diremoor, which contains several types of quest mobs, including a wandering Devilsaur and mob in the center building to kill that are quest objectives.

Moving further north, you will find the area that is outside of the Throne of the Thunder King. It is also used for questing, as well as the new world Boss, Nalak.

To the west of Diremoor is the Court of Bones, another questing area. Several scouts from your faction have been captured and kept prisoner in these ruins.

The southwest corner of the island is Trolltonshire, a questing area with trolls! Be sure to watch for circles on the ground that mark the constant bombings from the Zandalari Skyscreamer flying above. You can use the Zandalari Potions that are sitting around the camps for a buff like Jaguar Ferocity, Jaguar Speed, or Jaguar Stalker.

The southeast corner of the island has been taken over by the Saurok, and questing there gives you a Saurok disguise that allows you to run at ground mount speeds and jump much higher and farther than normal.

Patch 5.2 Daily Quests
Patch 5.2 adds many new quests on the Isle of The Thunder King. Keep in mind that it is still early in the PTR, so several quests still have placeholder names. You can see all of the new quests on WoWDB.

Level Name Objective
90Kill Guards/Players
90Superpower/activate perimeter wards
90Ashes of the EnemyBurn 8 Mummified Remains.
90Soul SurrenderSave 8 Silver Covenant Scouts.
90Grave CircumstancesKill 10 Lei-Shen Gravekeepers, Lei-Shen Soulrippers, or Lei-Shen Thundercallers.
90Into the CryptsUse the Incantation of Gura in the Hall of the Wicked, then defeat Gura the Reclaimed.
90The Call of ThunderStop the Lei-Shen Thundercallers' ritual.
90The BloodletterKill Kaida the Bloodletter.
90The Conquest of StoneDisrupt the Ancient Stone Conqueror ritual in the main temple at the Court of Bones.
90Rise No More!Kill 15 Risen Ancestors.
90Stone ColdDestroy 8 Grave Guardians.
90The Skumblade ThreatSlay 10 Skumblade saurok.
90Learning from the SaurokCheck in with Magister Arlan, Magister Sarien, and Magistrix Vesara.
90The Dinosaur-Men Stoled Our Magical RobotsRecover the four stolen Silver Covenant Constructs.
90Heinous SacrificeDestroy the Zandalari Sacrificial Altars.
90Dark OfferingsDestroy 6 Zandalari Offerings.
90Harbingers of the Loa[PH] Defeat 2 Harbingers of the Loa
90Preventing a Future ThreatFrighten 20 Pterodactyl Hatchlings by running near them.
90Surgical StrikeSlay 3 Zandalari Spiritbinders, 3 Zandalari Beastcallers, and 3 Zandalari Jaguar Warriors.
90[PH] Dangers of TrolltonshireSlay 12 Trolls in Trolltonshire
90Pterrible PtormentFree the Tormented Pterodactyl.
90The Residents of IhgalukSlay a Skumblade Brute, a Skumblade Saur-Priest, and a Skumblade Seadragon.
90Just Some Light Clean-Up WorkDisperse 75 pieces of filth by killing Quivering Filth in Ihgaluk Crag.
90The Creeping Carpet of IhgalukCrush 150 Ihgaluk Roaches.
90Left To RotDestroy 3 Fetid Meat Piles.
90Saur LoserDefeat 10 Zandalari trolls in the Bestiary of Jalak.
90Compy StompKill 5 Raptors and 10 Trained Compies in the Beast Pens.
90Loa-saurDefeat a Loa Speaker.
90Direhorn vs DevilsaurDisrupt a binding ritual by killing all ritual NPCs around either a Defiant Direhorn or a Defiant Devilsaur.
90Dino MightFind and use Saur Fetishes on 5 raptors, compies, skyscreamers or direhorns in the Beastiary of Jalak.
90Centuries in SentriesKill 5 Spirit-Bound Sentries and then use the Resonance Crystal to capture the Zandalari spirits trapped within.
90The More You KnowRetrieve 6 Ritual artifacts from around [Troll War Camp].
90Out of Enemy HandsSteal 7 Loa-Infused Blades from the [Troll War Camp].
90All In the FamilyRetrieve the Mask of the Dark Mystic and the Mask of the Spirit-Caller from Spiritbinder Tu'chek and Arcanital Ra'kul.
90Even Giants FallDestroy Guardian Tak'u within the [Troll War Camp].
90Keep It SecretKill any 8 Zandalari trolls within the [Troll War Camp].
90Trailing Light in the DarkRelight 8 torches in the Diremoor.
90Gather Scout Reports
90Recover Thunderwing Juvenile
90Eyes in the FogKill 6 Creeping Moor Beasts.
90Saurok Roamers
90The Shuddering MoorKill the Fascist Devilsaur.
90Kill Giant Statue
90At the Tower's BaseKill [Zandalari Arcane Caster].
90Imposing ThreatKill [Mogu Chain Master].
90Among the BonesKill [Zandalari w/ Raptors].
90Competing MagicKill XXX.
90Encroaching ForceKill [Zandalari War Party].
90Chains of CommandKill XXX.
90Raining BonesKill [Zandalari w/ Raptors].
90Zandalari on the RiseKill [Zandalari Arcane Caster].
90Enroaching Force
90Chains of Command
90Maximum CapacitorDestroy the 3 lightning drills in the Ghost Iron Mines, and kill Metal Lord Mono-Han.
90Forge Ahead!Kill the Master of the Forge and Collect a Codex Fragment from the Mogu Gatekeeper in the Isle of the Thunder King.
90On Her Magic-ey Secret ServiceRescue the three captured Kirin Tor Agents within the Ghost Iron Mines, and kill Metal Lord Mono-Han.
90Subtle EncouragementPlant Mogu Weapons into the corpses of 9 Skumblade saurok.
90Loot plans, kill boat captain
90Kill mogu boss for key, use object behind jumping puzzle
Level Name Objective
90Dangers of TrolltonshireSlay 12 Trolls in Trolltonshire
90Grave CircumstancesKill 10 Lei-Shen Gravekeepers, Lei-Shen Soulrippers, or Lei-Shen Thundercallers.
90Kill Trolls
90Kill Mogu Spirits
90The Skumblade ThreatSlay 10 Skumblade saurok.
90Gather Scout Reports
90This Just Won't DoKill any 8 Zandalari trolls within the [Troll War Camp].
90Saur LoserDefeat 10 Zandalari trolls in the Bestiary of Jalak.
90Maximum CapacitorUse the Arcane Capacitor when it is overcharged to destroy the 3 lightning drills in the Ghost Iron Mines, and kill Metal Lord Mono-Han.
90Save Our Scouts!Rescue the three captured Sunreaver Agents within the Ghost Iron Mines, and kill Metal Lord Mono-Han.
90Kill mogu boss for key, use object behind jumping puzzle
90Nalak the Storm Lord[PH] Kill Nalak [Log Description]
90Kill Guards/Players
90Heinous SacrificeDestroy the Zandalari Sacrificial Altars.
90Pterrible PtormentFree the Tormented Pterodactyl.
90Dark OfferingsDestroy 6 Zandalari Offerings.
90Ashes of the EnemyBurn 8 Mummified Remains.
90Stone ColdDestroy 8 Grave Guardians.
90Soul SurrenderSave 8 Sunreaver Scouts.
90Rise No More!Kill 15 Risen Ancestors.
90The Call of ThunderDisrupt the Thundercaller's Ritual.
90Into the CryptsUse the Incantation of Gura in the Hall of the Wicked, then defeat Gura the Reclaimed.
90Preventing a Future ThreatFrighten 20 Pterodactyl Hatchlings by running near them.
90The Shuddering MoorKill the Fascist Devilsaur.
90Kill Roaming Troll War Party
90Kill Giant Statue
90Trailing Light in the DarkRelight 8 torches within the Diremoor.
90What's Inside CountsDestroy Guardian Tak'u in the [Troll War Camp].
90Very DisarmingSteal 7 Loa-Infused Blades from the [Troll War Camp].
90Knowledge Is PowerRetrieve 6 Ritual artifacts from around [Troll War Camp].
90Harbingers of the Loa[PH] Defeat 2 Harbingers of the Loa
90REMOVE (No Longer Used)
90Learning from the SaurokCheck in with Magister Arlan, Magister Sarien, and Magistrix Vesara.
90The Dinosaur-Men Stoled Our Magical RobotsRecover the four stolen Sunreaver Constructs.
90Release Prisoners (they turn into guardians? or they teleport home?)
90Find scout near enemy camp (injured, port him back)
90Steal magical tome from main building
90Charged Moganite (NYI)Recover a Charged Moganite and bring it to High Arcanist Savor.
90Kill Arcane Elementals/Mana Wyrms (killing increases damange done and taken of nearby units)
90Destroy enemy portal near camp (streaming attackers, defended, enemy can use)
90Planting Bombs (NYI)
90Destroy perimeter wards (green/blue eye of kilrog?)
90Disarm mines near enemy camp (poke them with a stick =P)
90Set magical mines around camp (using modern warfare lightning)
90Start and defend summoning ritual near enemy camp
90Destroy summoning circles in enemy camp (BloodElf_PowerOrb_Red)
90The Residents of IhgalukSlay a Skumblade Brute, a Skumblade Saur-Priest, and a Skumblade Seadragon.
90Surgical DeathSlay 3 Zandalari Spiritbinders, 3 Zandalari Beastcallers, and 3 Zandalari Jaguar Warriors.
90MetalocalypseKill Metal Lord Mono-Han outside the Ghost Iron Mine on the Isle of the Thunder King.
90Fleshcrafter's EndKill Fleshcrafter Goju outside the Ghost Iron Mines on the Isle of the Thunder King.
90Compy StompKill 5 Raptors and 10 Trained Compies in the Beast Pens.
90Loa-saurDefeat a Loa Speaker.
90Eyes in the FogKill 6 Creeping Moor Beasts.
90Kill Mogu Blood-seekers (Roaming pairs, actively fighting scouts, and performing rituals on corpses)
90Saurok Roamers
90Superpower/activate perimeter wards (zap enemy players/monsters coming towards camp)
90Loot plans, kill boat captain
90[PH] The Fall of Shan Bu[PH] Kill Shan Bu [Log Description]
90Forge Ahead!Kill the Master of the Forge and Collect a Codex Fragment from the Mogu Gatekeeper in the Isle of the Thunder King.
90Among the BonesKill XXX.
90Raining BonesKill [Zandalari w/ Raptors].
90Direhorn vs DevilsaurDisrupt a binding ritual by killing all ritual NPCs around either a Defiant Direhorn or a Defiant Devilsaur.
90Dino MightFind and use Saur Fetishes on 5 raptors, compies, skyscreamers or direhorns in the Beastiary of Jalak.
90Just Some Light Clean-Up WorkDisperse 75 pieces of filth by killing Quivering Filth in Ihgaluk Crag.
90Find and deactivate bombs
90Kill Constructs
90Kill Enemy Lt.
90Find glowing magical item stolen by dead scout in swamp (enemy w/ same target) (FloatingMineNexusPulse.mdx)
90Destroy magical empowering devices
90Test Your Chicken Guardian [PH]
90The Creeping Carpet of IhgalukCrush 150 Ihgaluk Roaches.
90Left To RotDestroy 3 Fetid Meat Piles.
90Destroy Cauldrons
90They All Fall DownKill 5 Spirit-Bound Sentries and then use the Resonance Crystal to capture the Zandalari Spirits trapped within.
90Power PlayRetrieve the Mask of the Dark Mystic and the Mask of the Spirit-Caller from Spiritbinder Tu'chek and Arcanital Ra'kul.
90The BloodletterKill Kaida the Bloodletter.
90Recover Thunderwing Juvenile
90The Conquest of StoneStop the Ancient Stone Conqueror ritual in the main temple at the Court of Bones.
90Competing MagicKill XXX.
90Encroaching ForceKill [Zandalari War Party].
90Chains of CommandKill [Mogu Chain Master].
90At the Tower's BaseKill XXX.
90Imposing ThreatKill [Mogu Chain Master].
90Enroaching Force
90Zandalari on the RiseKill [Zandalari Arcane Caster].
90Chains of Command
90Subtle EncouragementPlant Mogu Weapons into the corpses of 9 Skumblade saurok.

Patch 5.2 PTR Class and Set Bonus Issues
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • The problem with Spirit Shell benefiting from mastery is that it changes Spirit Shell from "I want to bubble because we'll be hit by a lot of damage soon" to "I want to use Spirit Shell because my PoHs will be bigger." Once it is a throughput increase, then Spirit Shell loses some of its identity as a tool and it just becomes a cooldown. Now, we could just nerf Spirit Shell in some way ("you make a bubble weaker than a heal would have been") and then let mastery increase it back to base level again, but we would have to nerf it.
  • On the topic of PW:Shield, back in say LK, the Disc play style was to tab through every target and PW:S them. It was effective, and boring. We wanted to move away from that and we were successful. However, PW:S is still supposed to be a core spell for Disc and we're seeing very little use of it on live. There should be room in the rotation for Spirit Shell, Prayer of Healing and Power Word: Shield and there isn't right now. This isn't a change in philosophy -- any time you see a spec using one spell or ability to the exclusion of others, you can assume we're probably not happy with that. As I said before, if you need to heal damage on a lot of players at once -- use Prayer of Healing. But if a lot of incoming damage is coming, you should probably PW:S several people and not use Prayer of Healing. On live, you'd still just use PoH because it's your best AE heal and your best AE absorb.

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • For Enhance 2pc, it's possible that a Storm Strike may "overstack" Maelstrom Weapon. However, you can also choose to Lightning Bolt (or whatever) before the Storm Strike, knowing that you could get up to 4 charges.

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • The Protection 2pc will indeed count Divine Purpose boosted Words of Glory.

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • We have heard the concerns of Overpower inherent dodge avoidance in addition with dodge proc'ing Overpower might do strange things with Expertise. We are considering changes, but are loathe to nerf one of the cool quirks that Overpower has had forever.
  • You might MS, OP, OP -> Slam some of the time, but Arms has so much uptime on Colossus Smash, that that rotation can't last for long. We do want Slam to beat OP + HS in the new model. We think it does (and remember we're trying Overpower at a small ragecost), but we'll double check.

Just as a reminder, as I said originally, we're really focused here on simple questions and simple answers. This isn't a good place to attempt to have a dialogue on the strengths and weaknesses of various classes.

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Cyclone range reduced back to 25 yards. (It was 30 yards in an earlier PTR build.)
  • Glyph of Cyclone - increases range by 5 yards (rather than 4 yards which was an odd number left over from when it was a % increase).
  • Maim damage has been increased by 100%.
  • Feral PvP 2pc - now also increases Bear Hug duration by 1 sec.
  • Feral PvP glove - has changed. It now increases Maim damage by 100%.
  • Balance / Restoration PvP glove - changes have been reverted and once again increases the range of Cyclone by 5 yards.
  • Feral PvE 4 pc - now also affects Ravage and Swipe (in addition to Mangle, Shred and FB).
  • To explain our Cyclone logic a bit more, we wanted to nerf the ability for PvP. The DR change is a big nerf, but we think it's important. We had previously experimented with increasing range or duration of Cyclone, but were concerned those offset the intended nerf too much.

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • PvP gloves - changed to increase healing by Recuperate by 1% of health.

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • DPS 4pc - Causes Soul Reaper to deal additional Shadow damage to targets below 40% health (instead of 35%). Additionally, Killing Machine increases the crit chance of Soul Reaper and its additional damage to low health targets.

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • 4 pc - now increases Demonic Fury from all spells by 10% (up from 5% on certain spells).

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • We were concerned that our buffs to haste and mastery were enough to get Arms warriors to regem or be angry about passing on drops to say DKs. That's not the goal. We just wanted to make some of the stats better. We think the changes to Taste for Blood for Arms already make mastery slightly better for them, so we are reverting the change back to 55% for Strikes of Opportunity. (It was 75% in an earlier PTR build.) We also reduced the haste buff from +100% to +50%. It's still a big increase over live.
  • Similarly, we were concerned that the changes to Taste for Blood devalued expertise too much for Arms. We changed the Overpower granted by dodge to 1 charge. It's still 2 for using Mortal Strike. However, we also reverted an earlier change that let Mortal Strike proc Overpower even if the Mortal Strike missed.

Editorial note
This may seem like a lot of design iteration, but it's not at all atypical for us. Trying out lots of things is how we narrow in on what we hope are the best changes. We are attempting to expose you to a bit more of the design changes that are normally behind the scenes, as only a minority of our internal 5.2 builds ever make it on the PTR realm. If the constant change gives you heartburn, that's understandable and I advise you to just wait then for the final 5.2 patch notes.

Rapture now reduces the cost of Power Word: Shield by 25% 50% and provides mana equal to 150% 250% (was 200%) of the Priest's Spirit
At the moment (which could still change) Rapture provides a 25% cheaper Power Word: Shield and a 150% mana return on a Power Word: Shield. When we tried PW:S at 50%, it became too efficient to use nothing but PW:S. We aren't trying to kill PoH use completely, just shift to a balance where PW:S and SS are used for absorbs, and PoH is used for healing. Yes, Disc PoH will be weaker than Holy PoH, but that is offset by the incredible benefit brought by absorbs. Please don't interpret this as "Because absorbs are so good and because absorbs are my thing, it is a design failure if I ever cast an actual heal."

Death Knight (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Clarification on the 4pc: It means that if you have a Killing Machine proc up and hit Soul Reaper, that Soul Reaper will be a guaranteed crit, will consume the Killing Machine Proc, and the future Soul Reaper Shadow detonation will also be a guaranteed crit. Basically, Killing Machine will function for Soul Reaper, just like it already does for Frost Strike and Obliterate.

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
For Retribution, we were trying to emphasize what was once the most awesome spell in the Ret arsenal (Divine Storm) while reacting to some of the initial feedback that the first set bonus wasn't exciting. As often happens in cases like this, the players who liked the first set bonus and not the second have now offered their feedback. I want to stress that when this happens it's not a poll or a contest to see who can yell the loudest. We evaluate the feedback we get, weigh the strengths of the various arguments, and come to a decision. For 5.2 we're going to go back to the initial 4 pc set bonus of Templar's Verdict sometimes hitting for Holy damage. I also want to stress that anyone expecting said bonus to be a 20% DPS increase or something are going to be disappointed, so I hope that's not why you liked the bonus.

Incorporating Divine Storm into the single-target rotation, sometimes, is still a neat idea and the kind of thing we might do as a glyph or something in the future.

Um, the revert on the mastery changes, haste back down to 50% (though haste isn't very good for us anyway and is more a fury buff), and the rage cost on OP are all going backwards for arms DPS. I hope there's more changes coming? As it stands we would do far less in 5.2 compared to what we do on live now.
Tuning DPS numbers is one of the last things we do, because it's dependent on all of the other changes being stable. The problems we are trying to solve now are stuff like "How to make Arms use Slam more?" and "How to make rage matter?" Once we get those issues resolved, we can tune up all of the numbers at once (because we'd agree Arms is a little low in PvE).

Myself and many many many rets would be happy to just have these gimmics gone. Please?
We agree that it feels dumb and mandatory. We don't have a global solution to swapping set bonuses pre-pull, but we are trying to implement one. In the meantime, we have a list of specific set bonuses (including the two you mentioned) to discourage for pre-pull.

Drop Skull Bash to 10 energy (currently 15), since we lost of the Glove bonus.
Skull Bash costs nothing on the PTR build. Kick too. That may have missed the patch notes.

Could you please make the bonus work for Aimed Shot (or even Steady Shot) too?
We did so. I must have forgotten to mention it.

Every other melee interrupt is already free (or effectively free for enhance and ret). Only rogues, monks, and ferals have any cost at all. The "resources need to matter more" applies only to Arms warriors, and charging for utility isn't the way to do it, they need to spend rage rotationally.
I would have answered similarly. (And yes, Spear Hand Strike is also free.)

In PvE particularly, we think it's better when players use their utility to help the group at large rather than balking because it's a personal DPS loss to do so. In PvP, you can make more of an argument that choosing to spend resources on an interrupt or on an attack is an interesting trade-off, but the fact is that many interrupts were already free (or so cheap as to be effectively free). There are exceptions to utility being free. Hamstring for example is not, but it also has no cooldown so were it also free it might as well be passive (or macro'd) because you wouldn't be making a decision about when to use it.

While we're on the subject of PoH, though: Is there any way we might be able to get it changed into a smart heal rather than being "group-centric"?
I'll be really frank here. I don't think the group portion of the heal is long for this world. I personally dig it and I feel smart when I see 5 people in a group all at once who need healing. It makes the spell different from other AEs.

On the other hand, it's pretty gamey. (I can only heal these five arbitrary people, why?) Priests feel like they have to ask raid leaders to set up groups with their weird AE spell in mind, which is really unlikely to happen in Raid Finder. It doesn't work at all on encounters like the shrines in Sha of Fear.

We're not going to change it for 5.2. We're probably not going to change it for 5.3. But I sense the writing on the wall here that it won't last much longer. I can imagine a future iteration where Prayer of Healing is the AE equivalent of Gheal and Circle of Healing is the AE equivalent of Flash Heal. (Yes, I know Disc doesn't have CoH - I'm in a really theoretical space here.)

Sorry. I broke my own rule about simple questions and answers. Sometimes I can't help it.

That isn't it at all. Many of those upset about the push back to PW: Shield are those who played Disc Priests during Wrath. We don't want to go back there. I'm pretty sure you wouldn't want to go back to doing nothing but spamming one spell all day long. That's what it was like for Disc Priests, too. It was a horrible model, but I guarantee you that once we get enough Spirit, we will go right back to doing that because right now it is looking like our most reliable source of throughput.
We agree. Spamming nothing but PW:S isn't fun. We also think spamming nothing but PoH isn't fun. We're trying to carve a niche for both spells, where shields (PW:S, SS and DA (especially with Inner Focus)) are used to shield and PoH is better for healing. Disc won't provide the best healing out there, but that seems fair given that they will still provide the best shielding out there. We'll see fewer Disc priests, but still plenty, and more Holy priests and Resto druids. That doesn't seem like an unreasonable goal....

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Halo - will not longer unstealth enemy targets. That wasn't the use we had in mind when we made it a huge AE.
  • Binding Heal - now also heals less for Shadow, the same way Flash does.

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Thick Hide - now also reduces crits from spells.
  • Feral PvP gloves - increases the duration of Bear Hug by 1 sec. (I originally typed Bear Huge, which would also be an awesome ability.)
  • Feral PvP 2pc - Thick Hide now reduces the chance to be crit by 20%. This is in addition to the Savage Roar effect.
  • Feral PvP 4 pc - Now also causes successful interrupts with Skull Bash to reset the cooldown of Enrage.
  • Feral PvE 2pc - Redesigned. Now gives your finishing moves a 15% chance per cp to add a cp to your target.

Warrior (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
  • Deadly Calm - has been removed. We added it in a weak moment - a perfect example of button bloat for limited gain. Our intentions, as always, were noble.
  • Glyph of Incite - no longer procs from Deadly Calm. Now procs from Demoralizing Shout.
  • Glyph of Overpower - now using Overpower during Die by the Sword increases the duration by 1 sec per use.

Yes I do realize it's 40% execute time, but Unholy mastery does not make it pull that much further ahead of frost in execute, and the KM procs being able to be used on Soul Reaper would make frost Soul Reaper much better.
We changed it to 45% execute range. Remember that Unholy does get a big mastery benefit, as you point out. Also remember that whenever Frost uses a KM to Soul Reaper, then they are not using KM on another attack, so there is some loss there. We think Unholy and Frost benefits are pretty close now, but explain your reasoning if anyone disagrees.

We changed some PvP bonus to benefit abilities for Feral (cats) so we also changed them to offer a Guardian (bear) benefit.

To be complete:

  • Feral / Guardian PvP Glove: Increases the damage of Maim and increases the duration of Bear Huge.
  • Feral / Guardian PvP 2pc: Increases the duration of Savage Roar and increases the critical strike reduction from Thick Hide.

Druid (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Here is our logic on cat movement in PvP. Stacking Feline Swiftness, the PvP set bonus, boot enchants and things like Stampeding Roar and Dash all stacked to be ridiculously fast. We could go back to having all of these things not stacking, but we thought that felt arbitrary and confusing. We didn't want to nerf the talent, so we thought the PvP set bonus made the most sense to hit. Long term, we could consider the movement bonuses stacking additively instead of multiplicatively, but that would do some odd things to snares without further adjustments. We also feel like giving cats Infected Wounds helped a lot with their old problem of not being able to stay on targets.

Keep in mind that some of these changes are attempts to be proactive. We don't necessarily believe that Feral and perhaps Shadow are overpowered in PvP today. However if we're successful in getting mages and warriors down to a more balanced spot, we're concerned Feral and Shadow may be the next two specs that feel broken. We are also mindful that if you knock off the top thing on any list that the next item on that list becomes the new top thing.

Patch 5.2 Reputation Changes
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
What I would love to see is more choices to farm the reputation for factions, deffo not a tabard again I agree on that! But mayby a choice between dailies and something else
For 5.2 you will be able to champion a faction and earn rep with them on your first heroic and scenario of the day

So we can assume that only one dungeon or one scenario will earn you rep?
As the PTR Patch Notes read currently, it's the first dungeon and first scenario. Of course, things might change, but that's the plan right now.

The answer was/is so blooming obvious, you never had to re-invent the wheel, just put the old one back on - simply having both at release (instead of removing tabards) - Blizz could of scored a blinder by satisfying everyone - missed opportunity by not keeping tabards with the current daily system on release, missed it again in 5.1 and instead opt for a watered down fix in 5.2.
If one of them is the obvious path to get it done faster, the developers have seen over the years that the players will take that path, even if it's something they just don't like doing (which is probably why some people feel dailies are mandatory, because they'd like to spend their valor points on that gear rather than using the item upgrade system, perhaps because the'll spend them better there).

Also, keep in mind that in 5.2, valor gear will have a reputation requirement, but this reputation won't be earned from daily quests (which will also be available and it's a different faction).

Also, before I forget, remember that in 5.2, you'll be able to receive Work Orders in Sunsong Ranch from all accross Pandaria, and completing a work order will earn a reputation boost with the issuing faction. So it should help reduce the burden of doing dailies for those of you that don't enjoy them that much.

1) is the championing rep a flat rep you get at the end that's comparable to what you would get from doing all dailies that day?
2) does the dailies faction have reputation rewards as well? and are those intended as a sort of catchup for new players/alts?
3) if the valor rep is related to the raid (most likely it is), can you also get it through LFR?

Great questions! I do not know at this time, but we'll try to gather that information and share it as soon as possible.

Patch 5.2 Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Patch 5.2 PvP Gear Changes Feedback
Totally agree in principle,but I'm not sure we need to keep a hurdle in, and adversely affect the PvP game, just to give people something to shoot for. We'll have a cosmetically different enchant available at 2200 in 5.2, and going along those lines we're looking at what potential future cosmetic rewards we could add for various ratings in the future. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

LFR Loot System Feedback
1) Show the loot everybody wins, and show people their own rolls. Both pieces of information will make it "feel" like a closer thing.
We're still not convinced this is the right way to go about it. Our initial approaches are going to be based around your personal drops, win or lose, feeling more satisfying. If it still feels like killing bosses and seeing what you get doesn't feel good, we'll continue to evaluate.

2) Give every player a hidden variable of their chance of getting loot, and for each failed roll increase that variable by a small amount. Say, 2%. If you go an entire week of full LFR with no loot, your next roll would get a +32% roll.
I made a recent post that covers a bit of this, and nods at some future possibilities as far as ensuring LFR runs feel rewarding. We're not looking to make LFR drops guaranteed, that kind of reliable gearing is what Justice and Valor are for not boss fights, but certainly the opposite of guaranteed can be just as bad. It's something we're looking at and talking about internally, we just don't have anything specific to share right yet.

Aside from that, we call the Elder Charm 28.50 bag the fail bag because it fails as a consolation prize in generating excitement, or even feeling like a consolation. If you don't win a piece of gear, fine it happens, but at the very least spending a charm should give you something to look forward to. Getting a bag, anticipating what might be inside, and having the possibility of being excited about what it contains is the goal. That change will be in 5.2. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 5.2 Failbag Changes
i think the chance of loot in LFR need to be prio to how many times you have done a boss ! so the more times you have done the boss the chance of getting items chances getting higher!
On Patch 5.2, the bag containing gold will also have other goodies added to it. Hopefully it'll serve to lessen that feeling of walking out the LFR with empty hands (and some gold).

The developers are also discussing some long term solutions about the consistency of drops on LFR, but unfortunately, at this time, we don't have anything specific to share. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Pet Respawn Change in Patch 5.2
This particular change (Any pet that has been killed in a pet battle will now never respawn), is not related the pets you use in the battle, but the pet you fight against out in the wild.

So, your pets will be unaffeceted and not going anywhere if they do die. (Official Forums)

Patch 5.2 PvP Gear Changes Feedback
Yea this is still a big mistake Blizzard are making, they are still amusing that people are motivated by gear in PvP, this hasn't been the case (largely, naturally a very small % still do care) for a very long time now. This is actually something that we are also looking into. We are aware that pure performance enhancers are not something that is of a large interest to the majority of PvP'ers. We are investigating ways of implementing more vanity rewards for participating in PvP combat.

Then you could also throw inv arious special Mounts or Pets between the 2000-2700 range or something.
One issue that can arise with the rating requirements on rewards with the new MMR inflation system is that rating is going to inflate throughout the season for those that continue to compete. This could make rating requirements such as those you have mentioned much easier to attain. As said however we are looking into ways to implement more vanity rewards into PvP and we will update you with more information on this when it becomes available.

But honestly, why should someone with inferior skill to myself have the same gear? This basically puts us on the same level.
I have to ask; why is it that you feel entitled to have better gear than someone of lesser skill and as such bridge that gap between you both even further, giving you an even more distinct advantage?

If players are able to fight with an equal footing in regards to gear, then you will be able to tell who has more skill as the better player will obviously be able to attain more rating. This change should excite you with having a better chance to show your stuff and surpass 2.2K rating, push yourself beyond your known limits and try for the best you can!

So we've nothing to aim for now ?
Whoever said that? You have plenty to aim for, the sky is the limit. You still have the elite gear to aim for, it simply does not come with a rating requirement now. You can also set your own goals rather than only aiming for those we already laid out before you.

I think the new conquest system will promote players to start late in the season. This way you will save money and the catch up rate will be crazy high.
Far from it, you only get the 1000 points per week missed minus your already attained Conquest points. If you played throughout the entire season then your weekly cap would be higher than that and as such you should have more conquest points than those who start late. The main difference now is that catching up if you started later in the season should not be as difficult.

all we want is something to show off, maybe like teh challenge mode gear, if you get 2.2k rating you get a set of gear with no stats thats purely for transmog. and this thread then dosent need to exist.
As has already been mentioned even before this blog, more vanity rewards for PvP'ers is something that we are currently looking to implement. We will provide more information on this when it becomes available.

We, who are about to farm, salute you!
How will it be any different to the farming that you are currently doing? You farm up your honor gear while buying conquest items with what you earn and then once you get full honor gear you go all out with farming your conquest points for gear.

Remember also that the rating inflation system might mean that the average MMR and team rating could increase, this means that the amount of Conquest points that you can earn each week may go up too. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Ring of Peace Feedback
We are very aware that Ring of Peace is quite an overpowered ability right now and we are still working on it quite heavily. Expect to see more changes coming for Ring of Peace soon. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Arenas and Gear
Yeah, I miss the times when you could actually outplay people and instantly tell if someone was a terrible player.
It is still entirely possible to outplay others in Arena even if their gear is better. Gear is not always a deciding factor in a battle; although it's definitely something that assists you in winning. If you are playing better than your opponent you should have higher, if not the same, survival, damage and/or healing and as such you will still have a good chance of winning even if your gear is worse. This is not to say that gear does not help in deciding the outcome of a battle, but it is not the only factor as your skills can make up for a lack of gear.

Just so you know though, the disparity in stats on the different levels of PvP gear is something which we are currently looking into. We have a blog that’s coming soon which will talk about all of the changes to PvP gear we have planned for 5.2 and beyond. These changes will hopefully be major quality of life improvements for PvP'ers, helping with both mid and late season entry as well as the large difference in power between Honor and Conquest point gear. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Challenge Mode Feedback
Current challenge modes do normalize people's gear and levels down, so current challenge modes will always be the same (or near same) difficulty into the future. Not exactly what you mean, I know, but that kind of tech does already exist.

Challenge modes are already the most efficient way to get Valor, which is pretty rewarding. If we put an item at the end of it, either it's going to be low enough ilvl to be worthless to the types of people tending to run challenge modes (progression raiders), or it's going to be a BiS, at which point challenge modes become required for progression, tuning suddenly becomes a really big deal, etc. etc. It's not the intent of challenge modes, and not somewhere we're planning to take them. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

A Discussion of Gear Scaling
This is not an announcement or pertinent information about 5.2.

A player asked this question in the set bonus / class thread. I really wanted to answer it, but I also said I wanted that thread to be about short questions and answers. So I am going to violate the spirit of that rule but not the letter by addressing it here.

The problem I have is the feeling that you, GC, and your development team, are downplaying the importance of scaling in that tuning. Scaling of secondary stats is important, not just for pure damage reasons, but to maintain consistent damage relative to other classes across a wider range of item levels.
Okay. Scaling.

As a sweeping generalization, players worry too much about scaling. Back in vanilla and maybe BC, it was a huge concern. Some abilities scaled with attack power and some just did flat damage. Guess what happened when gear level increased?

Now days (unless I am forgetting something) every ability scales with attack power or spell power, meaning it scales with the primary stats that we slather on your items. If not then it at least scales with weapon damage, which is also just a function of ilevel. An ability that scales well with crit and haste and mastery will do even more damage as ilevel increases, but you have to consider the deltas we're talking about here. If your entire raid improves every single item in a tier (which doesn't always happen), your ilevel might go up by 13 ilevels. Let's be charitable and assume an ilevel is a 2% DPS increase. That means someone with awesome scaling might get a 26% DPS increase compared to someone with no scaling. But we already established all abilities scale with primary stats. So even the low end guy is going to get some scaling. Furthermore, we're typically talking about a player with one strong secondary stat and two weak secondary stats. So he gets a lot from the primary, less from the good secondary, and even less (but not zero!) from the bad secondaries.

Furthermore, specs that tend to not scale as well with their secondary stats will scale better with their primary stat. To use the warrior as an example (since that's what kicked this off), Fury scales well with secondary stats, but Arms scales well with Strength. We also think that's interesting because it makes you look at your gear and really think about the stat allocation instead of "Plate? Go." On top of all of that, you can reforge and gem to lean towards stats that are the best for you, which downplays the impact of bad scaling even more.

So again let's be charitable and say that we're talking about a max delta of something like 5-10% between someone who scales awesome and someone who scales poorly at the very end of a raid tier when everyone is completely geared, which by the way, is probably when you don't care so much about being able to kill those bosses since they're by definition all on farm. Encounter mechanics can have a much bigger impact on DPS than 5-10%.

Now this might still be a problem if we didn't make any adjustments throughout an expansion and the poor-scaling guy just fell farther and farther behind. But we don't do that any longer. Every tier these days is a new chance for us to readjust the numbers and make sure that even if there is a stat scaling issue that we can compensate for it.

Furthermore, I'm not sure why you'd assume that we check DPS only at the current ilevel. We check for ilevels that won't exist within the 5.0 time period. On occasion we have tested with stupidly theoretical item levels of 10,000 or more just to see what happens to the curves.

It also doesn't help the conversation that the word "scaling" gets misused a lot. The question above uses the term the way we would, but misuse is sadly pretty common. "Our scaling is bad" gets used as a synonym for "My dps is lower than I want" or even just a vague "My dps needs to be overpowered now, because of, you know, scaling."

TLDR: many players worry far more about scaling than they need to. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Is Samwise Still Around?
He's art director on StarCraft II, so most of his time is spent there, but he still does some concepts and bits for Warcraft now and again. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Daily Quest Feedback
Questing is an essential part of World of Warcraft. In the past, we've opened up hubs of daily quests tied to a specific storyline, but not necessarily integral to that expansion's theme. This time around, we worked to expand the storyline by coupling the lore of Pandaria and the various zones you adventure in with the daily quests that become available. The ultimate goal is to provide players who aren’t raiding, and who do enjoy questing, something to do at max level beyond grind heroics. One of the main complains in Cataclsym was there was nothing to do, you sat in Stormwind and queued for stuff. Daily quests, if you want to do them, do in fact lead to getting more people out and about in the world. Giving people something to do outside of instances.

We still very much believe players do not have to partake in daily quests to progress. Items that can be purchased from a Quartermaster can easily be matched by items earned through raiding and PvP. What it all boils down to is each individual’s play-style. There are those who will only want to run dungeons and raids; those who only want to PvP; those who only like to work on their farm and do some Pet Battles; those who only like to earn achievements, and any combination in between. We’re trying to appeal to millions of different types of players as best as we can, and we understand that not every piece of content or decision is going to be everyone’s favorite. That’s why to a large degree you can pick and choose what you want to do. It may not always be the most efficient, but the option is there. You've specifically seen that we’re listening to feedback in the addition of the Grand Commendations which not only benefit your alts but make the Revered->Exalted run that much shorter. You’ll also see some changes to reputation gains in Patch 5.2 where a player can champion a faction and earn reputation for their first heroic and scenario runs of the day.

On a personal note, every single person I work with is absolutely, 100% dedicated to their job, to this company, and to our games. Your concerns are our concerns. We may not always agree with you, and you may not agree with us, but in those disagreements we can try to have a conversation and come to understand the motivations of each other. The goal here is to better explain why we’ve designed the game the way we have, rather than disagreeing to disagree. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Flying Mounts Feedback
In spite of your firm belief that you feel flying mounts are detrimental to gameplay
No one ever said they are detrimental to gameplay, or they're being removed, or we hate flying mounts, or any of the other things people have inferred for no good reason. What I said was that experiencing a world directly from your character to the earth beneath it, and approaching questing content, is not served well by being able to lift off and set down wherever you like. In most cases we've relegated 'non-flying' to new characters experiencing an expansion for the first time, and then sometime later given them a way to give their alts flying in a quicker manner. In some cases, such as the Isle of Quel'danas back in BC, and now on the 5.2 Thunder King island, we've made a conscious effort to design a no-flying area to present that content in a different, and we believe, more intimate way. That's our job as game designers and world creators to define the restrictions and rules to create what we feel crafts the best experience. You can disagree with the restrictions and rules that define what World of Warcraft is, and we can have a conversation on the pros and cons (and certainly there are both), but let's be careful not to take things out of context and jump to extremes.

Can you start spending as much time making a conscious effort to make content that is based around FLYING characters, even though it may be more difficult?

It is very clear that there are atleast as many people who DESPISE travel by ground. The only reason that the "questing experience is better from the ground" is because that is the way you make it - so make it differently.

All of the level-cap content and locations (daily quests, hubs, etc.) are designed around the knowledge that you have a flying mount available. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

LFR Loot System Feedback
The LFR loot system works extremely well for what it's intended to do, it sees a ton of traffic, and gears people up in end-game content that just wasn't possible even a year ago. By all accounts it offers people not able to commit the time, or have the resources, to raid. That in and of itself is a major accomplishment, and the intent of the LFR system. Regardless of your personal circumstances, you can get in there, see the story, experience most of the content, and get some decent items. But I think the rub is the expectations it sets. It looks like a raid, and it smells like a raid, but there's fundamental differences in how it's perceived due to the format. For traditional raiding you get together with your guildies and friends, you struggle on bosses, wipe after wipe, and finally through teamwork and perseverance you overcome the obstacle, loot drops, and even if you don't win a roll you feel like you've made a meaningful contribution to your team and your chances at success later through the overall gearing up of your raid group. In LFR the entire dynamic has to change because you're being matched up semi-randomly with other players. Because of that there is no feeling of helping your team get better, you enter the queue alone, and it's mainly about personal goals to gear up, which then maybe help you in coordinated raids later. You're in there for loot for yourself, and because of that there's less tolerance for overcoming obstacles, so encounters are much easier, and the loot system is per-person and not a communal distribution.

As others have noted the chance to get items in LFR versus a traditional raid scenario are actually higher, but that doesn't change the expectations of people jumping into LFR that this should be a system that provides more consistency. Whatever the underlying reason is for that, I'm not totally sure it matters beyond there is an expectation difference between traditional raiding and LFR. It's something we're keeping an eye on for potential tweaks in the future. We have tech for quests that increases your chance for a quest item to drop if you haven't gotten one recently, and so that's something we're at least beginning to think about and how that kind of consistency system could translate into things like the LFR. If nothing else tweaking drop rates on prior tiers when a new tier hits is pretty low hanging fruit on at least ensuring people can more easily get those last few ilvls so they can queue for the new tier. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Mists of Pandaria and Alts
Sure go ahead and lie but please try not to make it that obvious. If you find them useful and enjoyable, you must be flying around in orgrimmar/stormwind waiting for something to happen because that's the only thing i know is worse than questing. And how dare you defend the content??? We both know it's crap and the one who created it deserves to hear it.
Sorry but you can't call me a liar because you don't like my opinion. If you don't like questing, that's all fine (in fact, there's plenty of players out there that don't like having to level when a new expansion is launched), but you can't pretend your opinion is an universal, undisputable truth and everyone else is just a liar.

LFR requires you to have ilvl460, which you can get by completing all the Dread Wastes quests, some Townlong Steppes rewards, and if you're still lacking gear for some reason: heroics/scenarios. You don't need to dailies to get in.
Yes I'm quoting myself!

As some people have pointed out, you can't reach ilvl 460 in Dread Wastes/Townlong Steppes (and I totally made a mistake in that sense). What I was referring instead, was 5-man heroics. My points stands still, you don't need dailies to gain access to the LFR, and chain running 5-man heroics will be faster too since you don't need a 463 item on every slot to access LFR, but you won't get it either just with Dread Wastes/Townlong exclusively. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Updating Older Dungeons
Thanks for your suggestions, we’re aware that some dungeons are being somewhat missed out by players while levelling up, and I agree, they’re missing some really great PvE content.

I believe that one of the possible issues is that some of those instances are probably not tuned with the new players in mind, they were instances that were added late on previous expansions and so they are supposed to be harder and they wouldn't be a good experience for players levelling up for the first time. Tuning older dungeons (revamping quests, tuning bosses/mobs, items) is something that takes time and currently the focus is on level 90 content, but don’t worry, devs are aware of this, if there are any changes we’ll let you know. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Converting Justice Points Into Elder Charms
I would like to be able to convert justice points into coins.
Justice points are the lower currency, useful for those looking to gear up for heroics, pre-raid stuff really. While I can see how JPs can build up for players who don't want to spend the surplus points on various items such as heirlooms, legacy gear for transmog purposes or trading in for honor points to get PvP gear, it doesn't make much sense to me to allow this lower currency to be used as a way to get the higher level gear, that's the issue I see with it. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

WoWDB Addon Data Collection
Finding the locations of the Patch 5.2 NPCs or adding new data from the other Patch 5.2 additions is done with the help of many players. The more people that contribute data, the more accurate and quickly we can update the database.

To help out, just install the WoWDB Profiler addon from Curse and check the box in the Curse Client options as seen below. When you are playing the addon will gather data and save it. When you are done playing, Curse Client will see the game close and upload the collected data from the addon.

We recently identified a bug in the client that requires you to uncheck and recheck the box to submit PTR data after adding the PTR to Curse Client. If you are playing on the PTR, please uncheck, close the options, and then open them again and recheck the box.

Defiance Beta Key Giveaway
Curse is giving away US and EU beta keys for the ongoing beta weekend.

Curse Weekly Roundup
This week's news talks about the Video Games Rating Enforcement Act, Xbox 720 and PS4 specifications, Path of Exiles open beta, Halo 2 PC online multiplayer shutdown, and your weekly Game Forecast!

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