Thread: The Ensidia Incident Explained

Originally Posted by Abb

Can you seriously all say, if you were in a position to get a WORLD FIRST on the Lich King 25, and something was going wierdly right for you, you would wipe it and open a ticket?


No, thought not. Stop flaming.

If you're fighting for world first and the encounter is bugging for a reason unknown or intended, you sure as hell is NOT going to STOP raiding and fucking wait 2-3 days to get your stupid ticket answered and then not get any help as normal.

During the time you would wait for that ticket, there are plenty of guilds that could take the world first from you and you can't do shit.

One word against another

The end result = Ensidia killed LK with cheat

Either they knew it or not they stil cheated, also why didn't ensidia watch 10 man vids before the raid day? US players had already cleared 10 man when the patch came to EU.

However they can argument against this too, that they did not know that the bombs where causing the bug.

They knew they where cheating and they did not stop doing the encounter, they should be 100% aware that their way of doing the boss was the the ''legal'' way.

The argument that they did not know they where cheating is not acceptable as this world 1 guild should know that the ice disapears. They knew something was wrong and therefore they should be punished for it.

Originally Posted by member9889

I simply heard two or three people saying in vent "Whoa, did you see that?" followed by our raid leader stating "Whatever you did just now, do it again next phase." This happened in fraps as well as in two or three raid warnings.

This. Ban well deserved.

It's Blizzards fault for not testing properly. This ban is a low blow against their own fans, and I would be surprised if Ensidia continues to support Blizzard the way they once did.

A more reasonable approach would have been to strip them of the achiv and reset their instance, so they would have a chance to do it non-bugged.

Originally Posted by kailtas

One word against another

The end result = Ensidia killed LK with cheat

Either they knew it or not they stil cheated, also why didn't ensidia watch 10 man vids before the raid day? US players had already cleared 10 man when the patch came to EU.

However they can argument against this too, that they did not know that the bombs where causing the bug.

They knew they where cheating and they did not stop doing the encounter, they should be 100% aware that their way of doing the boss was the the ''legal'' way.

The argument that they did not know they where cheating is not acceptable as this world 1 guild should know that the ice disapears. They knew something was wrong and therefore they should be punished for it.

The funny thing about this incident, is that any of the guilds competing for world first would have done the same as Ensidia. It's a mistake to think otherwise.

Right because everybody in a 25 man guild have the same moral standards/values and thought process?

Muqq quit because of the Ban, and the game being a piece of shit in his eyes

This guy, whether he's a member or not, pretty much puts it out there that people in Ensidia think what they did is wrong
(hypothetically speaking, with that last part)

Also, you'd be surprised with how many people like to stay anon.

He probably didn't have an MMO-Champion account either.

Also, I agree with the last post. Not ANY of you would give up a world first like this, for a reason like that.

Alright, just a few things that dont make sense to me in the whole incident. The saronite bombs were actually damaging something and causing it to rebuild, right? So this damage to the target should show up in combat logs and recount. I expect a guild such as ensidia would be looking rather thoroughly through the logs and would note the alleged single rogue in question that was using saronite bombs (if saronite bombs are a good way to really maximize DPS, why was only 1 rogue using it anyway? Especially since there were a few engineers in the raid...) was hitting something that they hadnt seen before.

Additionally, GM's are pretty much always on high alert for bug reports on end bosses that didnt see PTR testing. Why didnt they ticket a GM? It most definitely would not have taken days for a response in such a situation, because believe it or not blizzard is quite quick with responses in these scenarios. If you want proof of this, look at how quickly it was hotfixed after ensidia got the kill.

Originally Posted by Abb

Can you seriously all say, if you were in a position to get a WORLD FIRST on the Lich King 25, and something was going wierdly right for you, you would wipe it and open a ticket?


No, thought not. Stop flaming.

This. That's all there is to it. Although, personally, I wouldn't feel good if I got World's First by using the game mechanics to my advantage, but in my opinion they did nothing wrong. No one if their right mind would tell a raid to wipe if they found a glitch, they'd probably encourage people to make use of it.

Imagine that you find a glitch, and you know how to make us of it; can you honestly say you wouldn't? As they stated, they use the bombs for their normal rotations. You expect them to alter their DPS rotations to let the fight go properly? No, you expect Blizzard to fix it, or not let a glitch emerge in the first place.

Also, it's not a cheat. It's just clever use of the game mechanics. Like Hardonox.

Originally Posted by Elica

The funny thing about this incident, is that any of the guilds competing for world first would have done the same as Ensidia. It's a mistake to think otherwise.

Thats not a valid argument for breaking the ''law'' if i can call it that.

Originally Posted by TheRabidDeer

Additionally, GM's are pretty much always on high alert for bug reports on end bosses that didnt see PTR testing. Why didnt they ticket a GM? It most definitely would not have taken days for a response in such a situation, because believe it or not blizzard is quite quick with responses in these scenarios. If you want proof of this, look at how quickly it was hotfixed after ensidia got the kill.

GM's are on high alert? The only proof that you could present to support your argument, would be to show that Ensidia has some sort of direct line to the top of Blizzard. If they write a ticket, they have to go through the same system as everyone else.

It's like calling 911 and expecting the President to answer the call. Be realistic.

Ensidia doesn't need a GM ticket.

I am sure some of the barriers between the players and the devs/GMs are taken down at their level of play. I'm talking about corporate e-mail to developers, office telephone numbers and the like. They could have reported this FAST if they wanted to.

I'm sure blizzard sees this as a breach of trust that embarassed them and they in turn, embarassed ensidia.

Nevertheless Exodus oneshotted LK without a bug. ensida bugged it out on their 4th attempt.

Originally Posted by Elica

GM's are on high alert? The only proof that you could present to support your argument, would be to show that Ensidia has some sort of direct line to the top of Blizzard. If they write a ticket, they have to go through the same system as everyone else.

It's like calling 911 and expecting the President to answer the call. Be realistic.

Blizzard filters tickets, which is why some tickets are extremely quick (stuck) while others can take days for a response (hacked account). Blizzard also has a tendency to drop in on high end guilds from time to time, evidenced by sunwell when KJ was bugging and a GM was already there to assist them (unsure of which guild exactly at the time though, but it was during attempts to get world first).

EDIT: And further proof is that it was hotfixed so quickly after the kill. They wouldnt know about the bug if somebody didnt report it, so somewhere along the line somebody reported it and it was hotfixed within an hour of their kill.