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Translation for the english speaking audience:

"We are looking into the usage of levitate during the Gormok encounter. We advice you to not use this tactic (anymore), because it could be seen as exploitation of game mechanics and could have the consequences of our guidelines.

Please excuse the late implementation of the "no flight zone" (hard to translate)"
Rest ist have fun playing and stuff

I'm pretty confused. Levitate is used for weeks now. And now they finally realize that it is an exploit.

I do not know if there is a similar Thread/Bluepost in the english speaking forums yet

Funny how they say that using Levitate on Gormokk is an exploit, but tanking Twins near the door so the tanks soak up all the orbs and everyone just DPS's and not moves isn't an exploit. 

Well, it can't really be that hard to just move out of the fires, can it?

Well, duh. It's obviously just clever use of game mechanics  ::)

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uhm if they dont want us to cast levitate on ranged, fix it?

It only counts as a exploit if you intendly buff your entire raid with it (minus melee and tanks of course), and constantly rebuffs it so you get no fires.

If you happen to put it on before the pull for random fun stuff, it can't be classified as a exploit ;-)

haven't you heard?
using the spells in your spell book in any way shape or form is an exploit

now blizzard is going to go to the extreme and make levitate not usable in combat all together, then massive QQ happens

God you're stupid ...

QQ MAI LEVITATE etc. etc....

Aah well people always need something to cry about



Levitate is OP, nerf plox

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lmao xD

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oops, we forgot about the use of one ability. just don't use it the following weeks, or you'll be exploiting. in the meanwhile we'll take our time to nerf it and fuck it up royally.

This is just like the FL exploit of kitting him back and forth (I always thought this was the way it was suppose to be done) between 2 demos (the 4 man of 25 fl). Blizzard fracks up, does not want to change the encounter, so just threatens to ban people that do it.

In Phase 1 fires are big part of the boss encounter and if you can nullify big part of the boss encounter with one spell it's going to make that encounter extremely trivial. Making encounters easier than they are designed is cool as long as you don't use any bugs / exploits to accomplish this. You're abusing a bug (Flames not spawning if you're in the air) thus it's exploiting like you all most likely understood already but because Blizzard hasn't fixed it yet you think it's ok to use it. There are bugs in games (NEWSFLASH!) and I'm sure that Blizzard has other priorities before fixing bugs such as this. Using the door tactic on Twin Valkyrs is clever usage of game mechanisms because you're not exploiting (read: abusing bugs) while you're doing it.

This is gonna be a pain in the ass, I'm one of the only two priests in our guild. I guess if we put it on healers and/or cloth wearers it'd help a bit

Actually jumping works as well, if the fire hits you mid-air.

Jumping is now a exploit!

This is one of those useless exploits, because let's face it.. if you've got people dying to fires, you probably can't even kill Gormok.

Logically speaking it makes perfect sense. If the fire was on the ground below you and you were levitating off the ground, you'd be a good deal safer.

How about this: We'll stop using levitate when your Snobolds don't respawn after combat fades (when someone Feigns or whatever) and then bug out and throw fire all over the melee and waste an attempt.

We never used it, but then our players know that fire hurts.....

I'm wondering why there's been no english bluepost on this, maybe it's just an exploit if you're german.

Those crazy teutons!

So if I get the logic here I could be banned for many things
1) Too much dps on a dps race encounter
2) Using spells that help me live through an event?
3) Breathing
4) Moving
5) Talking bad about blizz
6) Dodge tanking as a rogue with evasion for a near 96% dodge on a boss
7) Getting out of fires
8 ) Mind controlling a mob and running him into trash or a boss.
9) Being happy?
10) Using abilities in my spell book?

ect ect.

*This wasn't serious at all, just for fun. No flames please!

To be completely honest, I don't see the big deal about all this "exploiting" rubbish.

The world firsts have been done so what the hell does it matter if people do this now?

If exploits are used on world firsts then fair enough but they're already done and out of the way.

Hmm - I know quite a lot of our guild fanny about putting useless buffs on the raid when we are waiting to go, priests often muck about with levitate. So if this is an exploit, who gets punished? the priest who pleads ignorance or the person who gets the buff and doesn't realise it's an 'exploit'.

When the floor falls away and you fall down to Anub, if priests levitate you here is this an exploit? As one of our guildies craters here every time. Intented mechanic? as it is *always* the same person lol ;) so we lev him to stop him dying.

I think that exploit in question had to do with putting the demos or FL itself against/near/on a wall where FL can't reach machines.

no, people were banned for 2 manning it by forcing it to kite the whole area back and forth, blizz said it wasn't intended to be 2 manned

The game isn't centered around world firsts as so many people seem to think on this forum. If people abuse mechanics there was implented to help people(jumping for some silly reason and having a fire appearing beneath you while you're in the air, leaving you in the zone longer than if it first spawned when you hit the ground) by casting a single spell, then it's an exploit, you don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure that out.

Also as has been previously stated; who in their right state of mind actually NEEDS to exploit the encounter to down Gormok? Really, you just have to strafe left for one second and the danger has passed.

Graysin is right, in that the two demos would take of opposite corners of the room (near left and far right for example) and just blow the living snot of out him, he would die before he got too fast.

While I agree that getting out of fires shouldn't be an issue, I can't help but find it annoying that Blizzard always takes it out on everyone else when they fuck something up or didn't think of something.

you all got it wrong it considerd exploit now that ensidia got the 25man 50 attempts left achivment
now blizzard can look into this ability and nerf it without hurting ensidia to much rolling eyes

you all know that its true

I have never heard of people being banned for doing this, I have seen evidence of people being banned for forcing FL through a wall and bugging him out in order to get a hard mode kill.  People still do FL kills short of players, including some in my guild, none have been banned.

Ok i can see it as a kind of exploit...but honestly, if it were "real" and there was fire on the ground and your friend next to you could levitate you so the fire on the ground didnt hurt you...wouldnt they?


*yes i know it is a game and not real im just saying if it were and you could do that wouldnt you do it...

WF proccing off yellow hits were also a bug.

It obviously a bug, it has nothing to do with how levitate works, stop all the "lol we're just using the spells in the spellbook", cause you're not. It's not like levitate is suppose to make stuff hit you, but not spawn on you. It's clearly an exploit, and will be considered so untill it's fixet.

exploit - "To employ to the greatest possible advantage:  exploit one's talents."

I have a hard time with the whole notion of "illegal" exploits in general.. I mean Blizzard is responsible for the programming of encounters, spells, mechanics, etc.  You pay them for this service and hosting your character.  What you do after that is kind of up to you... if it's possible within current game mechanics why is it off limits.  The only reason I can see something like a ban for "exploits" being acceptable is if there is a specific clause in the TOS like "Yo don't spellsteal flower power on Freya it's against intended game design".  If they fix the bug it's kind of a moot point.  Other than that you should be able to do whatever the hell you want since you're paying them.  The only thing you're responsible for is following the TOS.  If something is possible in game and not specified as a "violation" in the TOS (such as racist epithets, etc.)  then there is absolutely no basis for punishing players for it.

That said if you need levitate to survive the fire on Gormok you're bad.

You can add:

Being a mage and spellstealing the spellstealable bone shields in Naxx and combining these shields with a legitimate Arcane talent (incanter's absorbtion). Let's ban mages who do this despite the fact the way we designed the game allows them to do so, and they're just being imaginative.

I've been reporting rogues for stealth for years, that's the biggest exploit.

on topic: how can you be exploiting for clever use of game mechanics, is it so wrong to use leveitate as a crutch for those who are too retarded to move out of fires?

You mean lets ban someone who finds a bug that lets them solo a quarter of nax? Sounds bad, that.  .. I mean really. REALLY? ..

I mean to some extent calling some things exploits is silly. But to say "oh wow, thats ridiculous, he found a way to solo nax and they BANNED him?" ..

And its not like they left the things spellstealable. You say "ban mages", when only 1 mage ever did it, and things were changed an hour later so that they couldn't do it (made buff un-stealable, put a cap on incanter's absorbtion)

If you were being sarcastic.. my apologies :(


And this levitate thing is, as mentioned, a bug.
However, jumping in that situation is also causing the same exploit. Unfortunately its a lot harder to prove that people are jump-exploiting than levitate-exploiting. Right? ;)
You can't set rules for something you can't police, so meh

On another note, thats an interesting thing, deadified...   is it an exploit if they don't want levitate and you keep using it on them?

Doing this basically broke certain mechanics of an encounter. It's silly to compare it to many of the things you're bringing up here.

Even if it's a much minor change to the encounter, in principle it's the same as, for example, bugging the guardians by aggroing them to the brain during Yogg-Saron p3.

It's not the players' responsibility to ensure that encounter mechanics work correctly. That's Blizz's job.

Player's should not be punished for exploiting a bug like this.

It's Blizzard's fault that the encounter mechanics don't work correctly under all conditions.

If Blizz has a problem with this, THEY need to fix it. If they simply can't due to time/workload constraints then they ought to accept it until they have the time to fix it properly.

Don't punish us just because we found one of your mistakes.
If Blizz thinks that it's ruining the game in same way then it's up to them to address and correct the problem rather than issue a blanket statement threatening everyone with bans for doing something that the game mechanics allow.

It's in the EULA you agree to when signing up to play.  Blizzard can't possibly test every single game mechanic available so it's up the community
to report bugs and get them fixed as they find them. 

And levitate making a fire disappear and eating the levitate in the process is obviously NOT a game mechanic.  It's a bug.  That's no different than mind visioning the tank during Vaelastraz to knock burning adrenaline off them due to debuff limits. :)  It's an exploit.

probably is an exploit, or could be viewed as "clever use of game mechanics"
however, its not the fire that kills people
its the dot it leaves in 25man hm when snowbolds get on your healers, thats where its lethal. just healing that at the moment, can be avoided

It's pretty sad when you need to use levitate to avoid moving in any direction for less than a second to move out of fire to beat an encounter.

No, its still creative use of game mechanics. Blizzard should have thought about the fact that people could cast levitate when they designed the encounter. They didn't. They failed. Now they want to ban players for their fail. That isn't a great way to deal with players. That is like a doctor forgetting you needed a certain exam and after you get sick telling you that you should have known that the exam was needed and that its your fault for not asking for it. Doctors that do that get malpractice suits.

Seriously, this is where the gray area gets a little to black. I think everyone should realize 10/25 man content isn't designed to be two manned. I'm not so sure everyone realizes using levitate to avoid fires is exploiting.

Yes, a multi-billion dollar American company cares so much about one group of players that it helps them get whatever they want.

I'm not sure if you are from the USA or not, but seriously, I don't believe that American companies give a damn about anything other than how much they can make in a given quarter (especially not their customers).

Months in on TOC/TOGC and people still give a rats ass about levitate?  puuhhhhlease.. most people do it just to get to the cock block that is anub 25 heroic mode..  why dilly dally around with Northrend beasts at all anymore? The encounter is done, beaten to a pulp and farmed/pugged for badges and now for selling orbs.

I would find it HIGHLY unlikely that blizz would do anything to anyone who uses levitate during this encounter.

Another example of going over the top. Spell stealing the bone shields and using it to proc Incanter's Absorption (in my opinion) wasn't a big deal. Stealing the bone shields and using them to solo the entire Death Knight wing of Naxxaramas then posting that video on youtube might have had something to do with the incoming nerfs to stop that mechanic though.

Its not really even about being "retarded". Its also about preventing a dps loss for your ranged casters. Some of the casters lose huge dps every single time they have to move (especially Boomkins that are already completely RNG dependent if they are forced to move during a lunar eclipse).

Well, it wasn't a bug. The bone shield could be spellstolen (and purged etc). Bone shield absorbs all damage for its duration. The mage talent Incanter's Absorption converts 15% of damage absorbed into spellpower. Some mages were just very creative (and talented) to be able to combine these elements to solo wings of Naxx. There is no bug here. They're all intended mechanics.

My point is, people shouldn't get banned in situations like this. The mage in question didn't do anything wrong. He didn't bug anything out. He was just very clever in how he used his abilities. Fair enough Blizzard making bone shield not spellstealable (and putting a HP cap on Incanter's Absorption) so it can't be done in future, but banning players for using legitimate abilities and skills is wrong when they haven't caused or abused bugs in doing so.

In this case ban all mages who iceblock to get out of different boss mechanics such as incinerate flesh. 

(i'll get banned for this watch, everytime i say anything bad about ensidia my account is gone within a few days)

Trends have shown that Ensidia has people in blizzard that help them, or influence meetings and decisions in their favor.  Hodir exploit was a prime example, where other guilds that use an exploit to get a world first have the world first stripped, Ensidia gets the world first then immediately reports it (and gets a fix withing 24hours) yet gets to keep the world first.  No other guild cleared it with the exploit in place.  There are other examples as well, likely where the original critic of ensidia came from.

On topic.  I don't think this is that big of a deal.  If you are in a competitive raiding guild then Gormok isn't going to be your stopping point.

Ensidia didn't get world first Hodir, another guild did before the encounter got buffed to 2 minutes, then Ensidia killed it, and the encounter got nerfed back to 3 minutes.

Awesome, levitate QQ.

I'm sorry if you feel levitating people at the beginning of the fight is considered an exploit.
You guys are morons.

Im surprised to see that from a Blue. I think people often confuse doing something that Blizzard didn't have in mind with an exploit. I was sure that using levitate or standing in a doorway didn't "circumvent" normal in game mechanics. You certainly can't fault people from using levitate during a boss fight. Ive met priests that just cast it when they are bored. Similarly you can't fault  people for standing in the doorway when Blizzard had presented it as an available location during the boss fight.

Using a bug does not equal an exploit if you are using spells or positioning that Blizzard has supplied you with to defeat their encounters, like the spell levitate or the doorway. Also, jumping can stop the Gormok fires, and its not as if Blizzard can ban people for that. If they could what would happen to our Tree druids?

I'm still a bit skeptical. Sometimes foreign GMs are a bit out of the loop. I still don't think it qualifies as an exploit, though i wouldn't be surprised at all if Blizzard changed it. Not that it matters, no one is going back there after 3.3 anyway.

Yeah, players shouldn't be punished for doing something that they know is exploitative. 


....really.

you guys have how to use levitate all wrong. there are only 2 ways to properly use levitate.
1) go on top of something large (naxx for instance), levitate a group member and convince them to jump off.  Leave party and watch them fall.

2) set mage/oomkin as your focus target on trash.  wait for a blizzard or a hurricane to be cast. levitate them mid-cast.  laugh at qq.

Me as the only healing priest in my raid, I try to hold levitate up on all ranged, while gormok is alive. It's a nice variety between all the healing handwaving. It was a pretty surprise when I heard, this little and innocent spell could be really useful in the fight :D
So:
LEAVE LEVITATE ALONE!!

Three things:

1.  This post is 5 weeks old.  Nothing has happened and nothing probably will.  Why are you posting this now?

2.  The post is signed by a generic Blizzard employee with no specific title ("Blizzard-Mitarbeiter" could mean anything from Blizzard cafeteria employee to CEO).  I wouldn't necessarily take his/her word for it.

3.  There is a blue post just above the one you are quoting that specifically states levitate is NOT an exploit ("es handelt sich hierbei nicht um eine Ausnutzung der Spielmechanik....").

Oh and the Flugverbot joke is understood as a "no fly zone" in English.  It's not really too funny in either language tbh.

I wouldn't worry about any of this.

1. No it's not, the second blue is dated 20th November 2009. Learn to read.

2. "Gamemaster - CS Forum Representative, DE" in the signature. Again, learn to read.

3. This one is 5 weeks old. Things change, you know.

On topic:

If Blizzard says this particular use of a game mechanic in this particular situation is an exploit then it is an exploit. Their game, their rules. Period.

Well, then they should inform it so everybody would know not to use it. There is no way to know that it's exploit. It belongs to our given tools, as does Iceblock or Divine Shield. It's like banning for using simple arcane mage rotations, because it does huge dps when rogue does less using more difficult patterns... It just does not make sense.

Like I said, login screen news should state something in the lines of: "Using any spells to avoid fireplots spawning in any raid instance is considered exploit".

Funny how every bluepost is considered law if it is beneficial, but this one is just a post by some lame Blizzard employee. The fact we are discussing it now on MMO Champion means people already get the information (and I bet it's spreading even further).

And why is everyone so keen on stating it is not justified to ban people that are using this mechanic? Who said the mentioned consequences are bans? Maybe you get a warning first, who knows? Stop assuming stuff and declare it as fact. I know someone who knows someone that knows something about this and that is not proof for anything.

I cannot understand such retards:

Q: IS THIS BAN BLIZZARD?
A: YES IT IS.

FFS this pissed me off... No I wont treat it as exploit unless I see official statement that it's exploit.

When they fix snobolds
When they fix disconects
When they fix disapearing of killed bosses
When they prohibit door tactic on Twins
When they fix many other shits - then they can expect that everyone plays on top of their game.

But for the god's sake - WHY DO PEOPLE need to ask "if something is exploit" like nerds in school... "Sorry Teacher is prohibited to break window? Yes it is... Well someone did it and I wasn't!!!" ffffffs

Moving in spot and jumping on spot is triggered different in game mechanics - WE ADJUSTED to that... Everyone did... No, Blizzard didn't fix that... and now when that same mechanic is working against them - it's exploit. I'm tank I don't care, but this way of making it official exploit is retarded.

Next week it'll be an exploit on Faction Champs to put pets and a dps on the Cat/Felhound to force heals onto it instead of the current dps target.

It can't be hard to just move out of fires..

I enjoyed armorying you to see no kill credit for NRB heroic, which is where and why the levitate thing originated.

Edit - Don't worry, you're not alone though, every one I've armoried so far that's got their actual character in their sig, so far has no NRB Heroic kill credit.

Jeez guys you believe some crazy german moderator? Didn't WW2 teach you anything?

Are you serious?  Honestly, you can't really be that stupid.

EVERYONE with more than 2 braincells to rub together should be able to clearly see that using levitate to cause the fires to not spawn is NOT an intended mechanic.

Saying that "There is no way to know that it's is an exploit" is about the stupidest thing i have ever heard.  Basic common sense should tell you that it is an exploit pretty much the first time you see it in action.

It is blatantly obvious that fires are supposed to spawn on the ground under a person when they hit someone.
It is blatantly obvious that fires DONT spawn when they hit a levitating person.
It is blatantly obvious that fires not spawning Trivializes gormok hardmode.
Common sense should make it pretty obvious that levitate (a fluff spell designed to let priests float safely to the ground from falls) was not actually INTENDED to have that kind of effect on the fires.

Putting two and two together ends up with : Hey, this is a NEAT BUG.  Thing is, 90% of bugs like that are pretty much guaranteed to be classified as an exploit, and if you are too stupid to actually realise that, you deserve the ban you get handed when they actually start cracking down on it.

And dont be dumb enough to compare Levitate to Iceblock or Divine Shield as some kind of arguement for "but it's in our spellbook, maybe it was meant to do that".  If blizzard doesn't want you to be able to Iceblock or DS out of a debuff, they will make sure you can't.  Case in point: Heroic Steelbreaker and Overwhelming Power.   

Nice rant, and then you do this


To wich i must point that by your logic, as we can levitate out of the harms way, it must be ok to do so and as such is not an exploit. :)

I personally dont think we are supposed to moderate our game play. Am i not supposed to use rockit boots on hodir or to get rid of paralytic poison faster? Does it make it too easy for me to play those encounters? Blizz should just fix it and move to the next topic. Colosseum instance to be a "no levitate zone" is not a big deal.

Khad

Sorry, i might have phrazed that badly.

The idea is that comparing Iceblock / Divine shield, which are 100% intended to remove / prevent 95% of all ingame debuffs etc, to Levitate, which is a pretty much completely fluff spell with basicly the ONLY intended purpose being to prevent falling damage / hovering over water, as some kind of excuse to say "but maybe it is SUPPOSED to do that" to gormok's Firebombs is going way out on a limb.

Common sense people: USE IT.

It's not an exploit, it's just basic physics that when you're in the air and someone throws a fireball at you the air doesn't start to burn for the next 2minutes.

It really would be a damn shame if the levitate trick was nerfed (and no, we don't use it because we're "retarded"; we use it to give the ranged more DPS time), but I would much rather they concentrated on the DCs in this fight because I'm sick of DCing on this fight through no fault of my own.

Are you by any chance on an Oceanic realm?

Who cares what those Nazi GM's think?

...unless they for some reason start another World War.

DC on fire is most likely because addons and FPS crashes, it used to be the case for me untill i turned all flashy addons off and turned spell quality down.

instead of shouting exploit they better just fix it if they think its wrong. fix not by changing levitate to non combat only or so , but by making the fires spawn under the player

The point, however, is that the intent of the encounter is that the ranged DPS are supposed to have to move out of the fire, and using levitate to completely negate this aspect of the incounter (especially on heroic) when you KNOW it is not intended behaviour for the encounter, to "give your ranged more DPS time" is pretty much blizzard's textbook definition of an Exploit.

And please, dont tell me "but i didnt know".  Common sense.  Rub those two brain cells together.

Think of it this way:  If levitate let you stand out in the open and DPS Sapphiron every time she took off into the air instead of having to move behind an iceblock, because due to a coding bug, Levitate prevented the Frost Nova from instagibbing you, it would pretty obviously be a bug that would pretty obviously be considered an exploit if you chose to abuse it.  I see no reason why Goremok and Levitate would be any different.

PS:  Someone should test to see if Levitating people during KT or Sarth will prevent death by VoidZone.  Would be an interesting bug to find out that you have to be physically standing on the surface of the Voidzone to actually take the damage.

Yes, not funny.

Well, people just don't get all worked up about it. Hopefully the will fix it and if not they better ban my ass for flying mid air while I'm being Flamebombed.

I just think it's really sad that every time blizzard fails to check all failsafes before realeasing an encounter, the players' smart workarounds are called exploits later in time to make the players look bad instead of blizz's dev teams.

Someone obviously has NO idea what is actually involved in Q&A and how easy it is to miss something when you have to test for THOUSANDS of possible things that could happen.

That's a really good idea you had there.

I should suggest this on the official forums, because there really is no reason at all that levitate works during combat. But meh, I'm too lazy to do it anyway.

Guess Blizzard devs will have to figure that out by themselves.

I don't know if this was pointed to me, but you quoted me so I'll answer. I did not say it's bannable offence, I stated banning would be insane. I merely stated my opinion on the matter.

Who in their right mind would even argue in this matter?

Clearly it's an exploit (you'd have to be blind and stupid not to realize that it changes the encounter in a way not intended), and screaming "omfg blizzard noob programmers why do you let us players suffer for your faulty work" ... that's even more stupid. There are things you can't failsafe because no one's even remotely considerings testing something like that.

First part about getting the info spread, yes.

Second part, no. That's for the "omg-they-ban-people-for-using-levitate-without-a-warning-and-that-is-a-fact" faction.

Edit: Oops, typo.

there are multiple fights throughout WoW (admittedly, I can't think of any in LK tho...) where levitate has been a nifty trick to use. making it non-combat is unnecessary, and would remove a nice rare skill to use for reducing fall dmg on more unique bosses.

Please don't encourage the game to be more bland :(

If they do decide to Ban then I'm fooked..!!! as it would be my second one..
Got banned for the Flame leviathan bug last time...  despite the fact we didnt know it would happen..  ran away to reset.. it didnt. so we thought sod it..  just kill him and move on.. no achievement run, all towers down so he was easy anyway...  but hey.. 3day ban!!! 

Adding my thoughts here, mostly a roundup version of what has been said before.

1. I dont like it but i have to admit that somehow it IS an exploit.
It is not wrong to buff someone levitation, all right with that. But doing that knowing that some essential boss ability will be ignored due to this, is exploiting.
Sure, you are all right and it´s really blizzard who should just be capable of adopting this boss ability so that it CANT be denied with buffing levitation, but still if you are really thinking about it, it IS an exploit.
Blizzard stated that this is a BUG from their side, that fires are not spawning if they hit someone NOT on the ground. Making use of a known but not fixed bug is exactly what an exploit is defined.

2. WTF jumping??? Did you just think one second about this? Fire will not hit the melee´s, it will only hit people on range.
Who are those people? Caster & Healer, and oh yeah almost forgot Hunters. So Caster & Healers are either casting or channeling out there. Jumping would interrupt those casts or channels, so NO jumping for them.
Not sure about the Hunters, but i feel they wont be happy either with jumping since some shots have a casttime actually.

3. Fire = hot and burns. So how comes that some of my former posters seem to have the idea that floating above a fire wont get you damaged, actually witches were burnt OVER a fire, not inside it.

4. Stop QQ, blizzard told us not to use it anymore. IF from now on people will have problems in downing the boss, blizzard will probably nerf that fire, so just everyone can down him again. They are quite consistent with their catering to casuals.

5. Tanking the twins in the doorway is NO exploit, since no boss ability is beeing neglegted. All Boss abilities work and are correctly triggered. And frankly, if your healers manage to heal the tanks when they take lots of additional damage, they either earned it or maybe the tank damage in this encounter is designed a little too low. Couldnt think of tanks survicing at brutallus with addtional damage taken.

We beat our kill record by 23 seconds last night and it's only our 3rd week doing heroic beasts.  You just have to adjust your rotation to the moment and not make excuses. :)
Also you can start moving before it even hits.  You get the warning and the fireball is hurled at you so move early.

EXPLOIT

ex⋅ploit [ek-sploit, ik-sploit]

–verb
1. To use an ability that blizzard forgot about when designing an encounter.
2. To use an ability that blizzard gave you but failed to make work properly.
3. To be smarter than blizzard.

 Origin:
1350–1400; ME exploit, espleit < OF exploit, AF espleit < L explicitum, neut. of explicitus (ptp.). See explicit

I wanna know your kill time , just for fun sake ;)

the exploit on that thing is, that it REMOVES the fire beneath you.

so they treat it as an exploit, as long as they haven't fixed it yet.
soon there will be a minor patch or a hotfix on the servers, which doesn't remove the fire beneath you, just cancels the levitate. then you can use it again, but it'll be worthless then. but as long that isn't fixed, it's considered as an exploit. where the hell is the problem? move out the goddamn fire, it isn't that complicated, jeeez...

It's funny, no one on my server even knew about this until tonight.  I'm tempted to try it next week on my priest.  Heh.

yea guys this isnt rocket surgery

I bet being a rocket surgeon would suck.  If you think not touching the edge on the game operation was bad try performing a heart transplant 6 inches away from a thermo nuclear war head.

"amg raids are too easy" "casual friendly content!"
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Then, people afterwards come up with these "exploits" to make it even more easy.

Hmmmm, i really hope these are not the same people whining content is to simple that needs to make it easier ... :O



Just some food for thought.

8 mins 47 seconds.

Listen to this man.

Being the resident ensidia fan club chapter leader he's an expert at trying to explain away exploits.

Erm, soakers of any kind is a valid strategy for that fight (such as having healers with the light essence soak balls for the dark essence dps). It doesn't sound like an exploit.

Whereas levitate invalidates damage without having anyone move, I have a hard time seeing this as being the players fault, as we've been doing this for months now.

There seems to be alot of misinformation about flame leviathan here so I figure I best clarify.

1. You are allowed to 2man FL. This is not an exploit, just takes some skill/gear.
2. The exploit involved kiting the boss OUTSIDE the fight area(You kited him all the way to the entrance of the instance).

I believe the exploit got fixed as now FL oneshots everything inside the instance if he is kited to the yellow barrier.