Guild Wars 2: The One Thread

[Deleted]

There are certain skills and abilities that look to be tanking abilities but then I could say the same for just about all of the professions.

About the Holy Paladin comparison, I don't see it. Can I ask why you think so?

If I had to equate the Guardian any other class it would be a protection monk from GW combined with some ritualist.

I mean more from a lore/aestethics point of turn. Shiny silver armour and wielding power from the gods. A holy warrior :P the actually class seems to borrow heavily from Rt/D/Mo

[Arrowstormen]

There is no aggro, stop thinking inside the box.

Stop not thinking inside the box. The box give cookies.
So, lets go into the world were every class is equal and can do all the fuzz. What kind of stats would you go for? Is toughness and vitatlity for melee front-range power, or..

[Valeron]

Stop not thinking inside the box. The box give cookies.
So, lets go into the world were every class is equal and can do all the fuzz. What kind of stats would you go for? Is toughness and vitatlity for melee front-range power, or..

It really just depends on your play style within your profession. Each profession will have multiple play styles so tailor your build according to that. For example, a ranger can melee just as well as he can be ranged. So if you prefer to melee as a ranger than you might want to consider those stats yes, at least if you are concerned about survivability.

[ManiaCCC]

Stop not thinking inside the box. The box give cookies.
So, lets go into the world were every class is equal and can do all the fuzz. What kind of stats would you go for? Is toughness and vitatlity for melee front-range power, or..

Depends how you build your character ..if you want be more tanky, okey, go for survivability. But again, without agro system, you can't just glue mobs on you.

Vitality increase your health, Toughness will increase your defense, Power your damage, Precision your crit chance.

[Arrowstormen]

Depends how you build your character ..if you want be more tanky, okey, go for survivability. But again, without agro system, you can't just glue mobs on you.

Vitality increase your health, Toughness will increase your defense, Power your damage, Precision your crit chance.

Increase defense? Like, you take less damage from getting hit?

[nalvaudi]

Stop not thinking inside the box. The box give cookies.
So, lets go into the world were every class is equal and can do all the fuzz. What kind of stats would you go for? Is toughness and vitatlity for melee front-range power, or..

Think i answered this for you in the GW2 vs SWTOR vs WoW thread but here is a copy and paste of that:

for reference Stats = Attributes in GW2

As you level up in GW2 you earn attributes that you can destribute to Power, Toughness, Vitality, or Precision (an explination can be seen HERE)

So you get to choose which stats you want to build up. To give you an example that might relate, if you made a Ranger (GW2's version of hunter) You can build you Ranger how you see fit, more defensive you'd build toughness and vitality. More offensive would be precision and power, or you can mix however you want... tons of health and tons of crit, go for precision and vitality.

How this works on gear: You aquire gear in your usual methods, bosses, pvp, pve, etc. Now when you aquire a piece of gear that has the attributes you want but say you don't like the look of it or maybe it's a different type of armor than you can use, you can use a transmutation stone to move those attributes to the piece of gear that you would like to use.

Hope this helps


TL;DR - You get to spec your character for what you want to be proficient at. There is no hunters want agility, warriors want strength,.... etc

[ManiaCCC]

Increase defense? Like, you take less damage from getting hit?

Exactly

[Valeron]

Keep in mind that those stats aren't final. I believe they already said that they will be reworking them again.

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If you were to do tanking in GW2 I would assume it would be like in the original game, positioning and body-blocking.

no body-blocking in this game

[Arrowstormen]

Think i answered this for you in the GW2 vs SWTOR vs WoW thread but here is a copy and paste of that:

for reference Stats = Attributes in GW2

As you level up in GW2 you earn attributes that you can destribute to Power, Toughness, Vitality, or Precision (an explination can be seen HERE)

So you get to choose which stats you want to build up. To give you an example that might relate, if you made a Ranger (GW2's version of hunter) You can build you Ranger how you see fit, more defensive you'd build toughness and vitality. More offensive would be precision and power, or you can mix however you want... tons of health and tons of crit, go for precision and vitality.

How this works on gear: You aquire gear in your usual methods, bosses, pvp, pve, etc. Now when you aquire a piece of gear that has the attributes you want but say you don't like the look of it or maybe it's a different type of armor than you can use, you can use a transmutation stone to move those attributes to the piece of gear that you would like to use.

Hope this helps


TL;DR - You get to spec your character for what you want to be proficient at. There is no hunters want agility, warriors want strength,.... etc

Well, I was more looking for what stats did exatly

[Valeron]

Check out the wiki page he linked for you, it pretty much explains what each stat does.

[Arrowstormen]

If you were to do tanking in GW2 I would assume it would be like in the original game, positioning and body-blocking.

But I'm not sure if Arrowstorm is actually wanting to know or he's just trying to provoke a reaction from us.

You make me sad, Im just trying to gather information about a game before I dare set my foot in the beta (whenever that comes).

[HazardYo]

Is it just me or is the Engineer pretty damn... AWESOME?

[Valeron]

Is it just me or is the Engineer pretty damn... AWESOME?

Aye, it reminds me a lot of Warhammers engineer and that was my favorite class in that game.

[Arrowstormen]

Is it just me or is the Engineer pretty damn... AWESOME?

Everybody got their own unique opinion, myself don't like it very much. But, I am Ranger biased, me likez petz!

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Ok, don't expect a real beta though they usually don't do those.

When you say "real", I assume it means "it won't be open for people".
Awww.

[nalvaudi]

But, I am Ranger biased, me likez petz!

:-D you and me both ... although theif looks pretty awesome with their shortbow skills.

[Deleted]

When you say "real", I assume it means "it won't be open for people".
Awww.

No they will have an open beta, it will just be pretty much striagth before release as more an advertising thing than anything else. The open beta will be the release pretty much.

[Deleted]

Is it just me or is the Engineer pretty damn... AWESOME?

By FAR! the best class out so far.

[digitalize]

By FAR! the best class out so far.

why do you think so

[nalvaudi]

why do you think so

You only need one reason .... jump shot. lol

[Armond]

Raaaaage.
Sooo, Support = protective + healing spellz, and Control = stuff that helps you take da damage of da creatures?

Kindasorta.

Without a dedicated agro system, the game's going to be a lot more like d&d. (Which, by the way, I really like - I've always wondered why Arthas didn't just ignore the tanks and smack our healers first thing.) Ideally, monsters will have an advanced enough AI to make a tactical decision along the lines of "what is my best option right now?". It won't be as good as a player, obviously, because humans think two or three steps ahead (at least).

In that kind of a world, each player is more responsible for their own survival, which is what necessitates each character being a hybrid of all (or at least two) roles. With more than one (or even a handful, in large groups) player being the target of all the monsters, damage becomes underwhelming; the ability to help your allies out becomes very powerful, as does the ability to hinder your enemies, because these have to take the place of a dedicated tank in providing for the survival of the group. However, a character that doesn't bring any damage hinders himself and his group by elongating combat, which stresses resources (WoW players know this as "oh crap out of innervates and everyone's going oom what do we do").

In the most basic terms, "support" is a catch-all term for "helps out your allies". "Control" is a catch-all term for "makes life harder for your foes". Skills can and will be mixes of the two - not every attack skill is going to be Power Attack, because that would make physical characters underpowered. You're going to have things like Bull's Strike, which will knock things down in addition to dealing damage - that's damage and control combined. Orison of Healing would be a support skill; Weapon of Shadow (buffs an ally to blind foes on hit) would be both support and control. Blinding Flash would be pure control. Lastly, damage and support would be covered by something like Vengeful Weapon (which enchants an ally to steal health from his attacker the next time he's hit). I predict ANet will have to be careful around support, control, and support + control skills, because as GW showed, having too much of either (or even too much of both) makes it so you can essentially ignore your defenses and pile on the offense (which has already been brought up to compensate for its previously limited value).

If you've played GW PvP before (and, y'know, gotten to know the terminology and strategies and such), it may help you to think of support and control as defensive and offensive utility, respectively. Naturally, this means that some skills fulfill both roles. Crippling Shot is the most classic example in GW - you can use it offensively to stop a critical target from escaping, or you can use it defensively to stop a melee unit attacking your ally.

Also, high health and high armor on non-tank characters is still useful. It adds a tactical element to combat - you want things to hit your Guardian and not your Elementalist, but you need to figure out how to make that happen. Combined with all of the above, combat looks like it'll unfold to favor balanced groups of melee and casters, where the melee provide the damage and control to keep the foes' attention and casters provide the support to keep the melee alive, plus damage and control to make combat easier on the whole team.