Well I know you're a proponent of giving government more of your money, and having other people give government more of their money, but a lot of people think the problem is spending, not revenue.
And I'll be frank with you, Wells. If I thought for a second that anyone in government gave one shit about us, just one single shit, I might be on board with you. As it is, government hijacks whatever cause is popular, but really doesn't care. Right now it's environmentalism.
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A lot of people think a lot of things. I think spending IS one of the problems, but we have a huge debt to get out of and cutting taxes is NOT helping with that. We need to raise revenue AND cut spending. We can do BOTH of these things and we'll get out of debt a lot easier and faster if we do rather than only doing one or the other.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
yeah but does our base in Germany serve any purpose other than our interests?
And yeah, we pay more into NATO but let's be honest, its our pet project, just a hold over from the Cold War and the Warshaw Pact.
What has our military expenditures done for Europe though? I mean you could pretty easily argue our adventures have made things worse for them.
The problem is obviously both.
The fastest way to lower the national debt would be to significantly cut spending while moderately increasing taxes. That's a no-brainer. The fastest way to drain a bottle of water that has one hole in it is to make another hole.
Obviously though raising taxes could hurt the economy potentially, so I'd personally do something like:
Short-term: Stabilize economy through any means possible and prevent government shutdowns purely by cuts to all areas
Mid-term: Increase taxes moderately and cut spending significantly
Long-term: Lower taxes significantly (to below original levels even to match the reduced spending)
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Why are you suddenly so aggressive?
I'm not talking about any hypothetical extreme's anymore than anyone else is. I mean, is a balanced budget something extreme? Well in today's world of Keynesian's and MMT's it probably is.
Extreme is what the US govt is doing, or the EU govts. Furthermore I actually have formal education in Economics unlike you.
Lots of anger again. And if you're poorly educated maybe you should get educated on economics before you claim I'm wrong without backing up your claims.Originally Posted by smrund
/facepalm @ politics on this site.
Oh and the Democrats have never been the party to support the Military.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Yes we do spend too much on military and it needs to be trimmed.
Also I am a Republican. Just because we want bigger military budget doesn't mean we'd over look the country.
What good is a country that has a great military but a poor and broken population?
Because I'm not one of those sit-back-and-take-it democrats. And I'm tired of listening to your same crap on every single political topic in this forum.
Except that's not what you talk about. You talk about gutting the government and entirealy redoing our system of governance.I'm not talking about any hypothetical extreme's anymore than anyone else is. I mean, is a balanced budget something extreme? Well in today's world of Keynesian's and MMT's it probably is.
And I have a formal education in politics so you can bite me, but here's the shocker: being educated on a subject does NOT give you the right answers!Extreme is what the US govt is doing, or the EU govts. Furthermore I actually have formal education in Economics unlike you.
Your wrong because your perspective is wrong. Because you have "all the comforts" while demanding that people shouldn't have them.Lots of anger again. And if you're poorly educated maybe you should get educated on economics before you claim I'm wrong without backing up your claims.
Human progress isn't measured by industry. It's measured by the value you place on a life.
Just, be kind.
Actually, the Democrats have been nothing short of a train wreck when it comes to economics. Just look at the California budget for a great example.
Or you could take a look at the one-sided belief that Clinton left us with a 'stockpile of cash' when in reality all he did was reduce the military by 30% and fail to deal with Al Qaeda as they blew up things like the Khobar Towers and the USS Cole. Not to mention the two US Embassies in Africa.
Then Clinton leaves office with Bush coming in to face a war on terror with a reduced military.
Yeah, the Democrats have done a great job. /facepalm
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Overall tax rate, income, payroll etc.
What's important to note is how much more the top tax rate has dropped as compared to everyone else. This is the kind of thing that pisses off liberals and contributes to the current wealth disparity.
Most american's taxes have gone down by 3-5% since 1985. The top 1%'s has gone down 10%.