Yeah and bet there unbanned now! Just because there a top guild they get treated like royalty!
No more. They are no longer a top guild. You can't be a top guild when you cheat... I love the mix of boasting around "Firelands x5"/discharging guilt "it's not our idea, some screwb guild" and word chosen "bug/behavior" instead of Exploit. And the whole apology thing, lol... it never works
Rules aren't this flat... They can perma ban you tomorrow if they want to. Even if you never had any warnings. Apparently they put 8 days to thoses who did that repeatidly, and one day or 3 day do thoses who only did it once or so. Regardless of their history. Since it also cluterred forum, investigations teams etc 8 days was to be an example. They knew it would make the front page of MMO Champion, it's their way of saying "look what we do to exploiters, think again". It's a good investment... Perma would have been too much imo.
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Please don't post without at least familiarizing yourself with the basic facts. All of the above already happened.
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1) "Bug-free" is a phrase used by marketing droids and idiots. There's no such thing in the software world, a point proven time and time again when 20 year old code that has been published in textbooks, released as open source for all the world to read and made its way into dozens of operating systems has new bugs discovered in it yearly. I guarantee that every line of code in WoW has a hidden bug in it that no one's thinking about. Very few of them will ever affect a player, though.
2) "Has already been beta tested"? You're actually complaining about how bad Blizzard's user are for not discovering this bug?! Come again?
3) "They earn so fucking much through this game and can't even test it properly" -- well, I guess you have no choice but to go play that other bug-free game... which one was that, again?
Edit: I suppose I should point out, as if it weren't obvious, that none of the above excuses bad software. I consider WoW's bug rate to be fairly reasonable given that so much of it works flawlessly. However, they do open themselves up to more problems than are strictly required by re-inventing the core mechanics every release. I'd love to see a WoW expansion that added a new class or race, a new continent, new raids and new dungeons and didn't f**k with the rest of the game...
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Wonder what Para's sponsors will say about this. Getting banned for exploiting and losing the world first, second and third place does not look good in their book.
Lol man so much hate going around about this toward Paragon. I wouldn't call them cheaters in the least, Nor should they be punished. You know why? Its an oversight on blizzards part and all you guys are saying they, the guild, should get perma banned for "abusing an exploit".. sorry to tell you guys.. But think about it for a second, Its blizzards own fault! Think about it, Sure the PTR is for testing, but how idiotic would a developer be to NOT bug test their own shit... AT ALL. Lol, Everyone develops it, bug tests it internally to make sure all the important stuff works correctly.. and THEN they post it as alpha or beta for OTHERS to bug test to see what OTHER bug's are there AFTER they've already made sure all the important crap works correctly...
This is something anyone with half a brain could have guess would be possible, Simply because of how loot worked. Once its in your inventory it can be traded for 2 hours to anyone within the party. So stoping someone from rolling on it... just stops them from getting it initiall. Its blizzards fault for being to stupid to actually think 2 seconds in front of their face... so they punish people for it instead of admitting THEY screwed up? fixing the bug THEY didn't think could happen or test for.... man.. No wonder they lost 1.7m players lol.
They deserve way more imo. They knew exactly what they were doing, and who doesn't know that exploiting like that is a wrong, you would expect the top guilds to know that. The apology isn't that they are apologising for doing it, as people have already said. They are apologising for getting caught and want to make it seem like they are the 'victims' and that people feel sorry for them. Which is working for some, I hope the ban doesn't end prematurely, because they are a 'top' raiding guild, which feel they have to cheat to remain top hmmm interesting. I think the punishment they have received is good enough as they won't be able to get most of the worlds first kills on heroic. my rant over
Plenty of haters on here, bet every single one of you would have done the same thing if you weren't lagging around on the first boss still, I'm certainly no fanboy of any guild but I do know that 99% of wow players would cheat if they knew how to and have ninja'd at some point, pot and kettle springs to mind
No need for an apology.Blizzard left a bug in the game and they are well in their right to use it.
Didn't exactly feel like reading 470 posts repeating the same exact thing. Sorry to disapoint you, But I don't have that much time to waste.
Its not "exploiting a bug". Its an oversight on blizzards part for NOT testing to make sure the meat and potatoes of that patch were working properly BEFORE giving it to the masses to bug test. You do not. Under any circumstance. Plop down a piece of software, or a game, to the masses WITHOUT making sure it at least has down the basic's of what you want it to do. Beta testing ISNT for massive bug finds. its for the little ones they are to busy to find. There for they're BANNING PEOPLE for 8 days BECAUSE THEY WERE TO LAZY TO DO IT THEMSELVES. How is it the players fault blizzard didnt take into consideration how loot ALREADY worked. and HAS WORKED since i started playing? it isnt. its just blizzard to worthless to admit they can make a mistake, so they're punishing the players for it. Lol. Maybe if they weren't to lazy to test their own shit this wouldnt have happened. Well they're either being lazy or creating more blizz store content, or rehashing more content.... Or fighting out a way to buff frost mages more. One of the four. So im quite sory to inform you, But I do have half a brain... and this shit. is why me and 1.7 other people quit. When you lose that many people in 9 months. You are doing something wrong.
You just said it yourself, the loot wasn't working the way EVERYONE KNOWS it is supposed to "since you started playing". How hard is to to understand that this is an exploit? It was obvious that it wasn't working as intentended and it was abused.... Theres just no discussion about this, it's pretty clear cut
Paragon did what everyone else was doing at the time, not that it is an excuse but it has been happening for a LONG LONG TIME.
The last one I remember was the Firelands dailies and heaps of people could get multiple marks the first day as the reset happened at 12:00am (my time) and also at 3:00am (my time) and therefore they got extra tokens if they realised this.
At the end of the day, if Blizzard makes a mistake like letting people get loot more than once or more marks etc, well then so be it. People are always finding things like this to get a little further but it never really hurts anyone, paragon gets a little extra gear, someone gets a couple of marks extra and so on. If it wasn't paragon and just some random on your server noone would even blink an eyelid, but as soon as it is some well known guild BAM! everyone says OMFG HOW COULD YOU!.....
Bugs have and will always exist, patches will not always go live as intended but you should not be banned due to blizzards mistakes. Firelands patch hit in 4.2 for the first 2-3 days of trash runs the epics were dropping like greens and heaps of people got them, they patched it and fixed it 2 days after the patch went live and people didnt get all their items taken off them and banned... WHY because a patch didnt go as intended..... people were not exploiting but merely riding the luck, just like paragon they rode the luck of being able to get people items and they did it.
Worry about spending your time elsewhere Blizzard like stopping DK's rolling on agi trinkets and polearms and less time on banning people who find the mistakes that you made and benefit a little. Much rather someone get a piece of gear than dks rolling on agi.
Kind regards
Droodeffekt.
Haha I love how in the last paragraph they point the finger at other people, way to take responsibility douche bags! (imitating Paragon)"but everyone else did it too!" Wah. Man up.
Last edited by Mangaman; 2011-12-09 at 11:05 AM.
Would you go to a police station and apologise if you were speeding down the highway but didn't get caught? No? Pathetic. It's not really pathetic. At least they are having somewhat of a go at redeeming themselves. I am sure if you were in the same situation they were, you would do the same.
Love how they "apologize" without ever really admitting they did anything wrong. They knew what they were doing, and they knew their status would prevent them from being permabanned. It's blatant, and obvious unfair treatment on Blizzard's part, but whatever.
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