Is this right to do in LFR?

[Deleted]

I never wanna queue with you, never. Such a dick move, on the other side: i see what you're doing. Giving the people who have the right to have it sounds legit, but still a dickmove imo

[Deleted]

There are not more people rolling, the person who already has the item could just as easily also need the item and also be needing it for personal use. It is your greed that makes you look at him and say "he already has the item, therefore his right to roll is forfeit and my chances should be increased.

wait wait... so you are saying that even though he already have the item , he could stil "need" it for "personal use", what the hell does that even mean? He wants it in his backpack to stare at it? Are you really this naive... Its about moral, if you already have the item, its more fair and decent of you to not press "need" to let people who dont have it ( the position you were in a few weeks ago) get a fair chance to win the item, cause lets face it, you dont really need it since you wont wear it. Im getting really tierd of you trying to justify your greedy "logic". If three people who dont have an item and really NEEDS it, and then they roll and then 5 other greedy bastards who already have the item "needs" it to, cause you know... they are GREEDY. the three people who really could use it have a less chance of getting it cause some people dont know the difference between right and wrong.

[Addmeister]

I think that perhaps u missed the point of my etiquette statement. It had nothing to do with a players particular performance. I just believe that there is an etiquette in how loot is rolled on with respect to others that could possibly need the gear when one knows that they definitely do not need it.


Not sure that made a whole lot of sense but it did to me

[Deleted]

I think that perhaps u missed the point of my etiquette statement. It had nothing to do with a players particular performance. I just believe that there is an etiquette in how loot is rolled on with respect to others that could possibly need the gear when one knows that they definitely do not need it.


Not sure that made a whole lot of sense but it did to me

Made perfect sense !<3

[Dexiefy]

Yeah you are just being stupid doing that sort of thing, your the type of person i'd keep away from in LFG, LFR

and then after running multiple lfr on your alts, on every one of them you pull your weight and each time item drops, you see a guy who deals 10k dps win the item. Then you look at overall dmg done in whole run and guy doesnt make even 2% of total raid damage. No offense, but thats leeching and those are the people who should be kept away from any multiplayer game.

wrong because you are depriving people with low dps due to gears to people who already are fine or outgeared the content

any of my 5 alts, able to enter lfr with ilvl of 372 is cappable of dealing at elast 20k dps while people in ilvl 385 deal 12k...
If you are able to enter lfr as dps, you sohuld be doing minimum 18k dps, end of story, if you dont, its l2p issue not gear issue.

[Deleted]

Yeah, give the better gear to the already better geared

/facepalm

[avengingbt]

I do that sometimes. If there is one player who clearly deserves an item I'll roll for them, otherwise I'll just pass.

It actually just happened to me. I was running LFR on my alt, a feral druid, and on the last boss two polearms dropped. The first polearms rolls finished and it went to a hunter. The second polearm finished and it went to another hunter. I was just about to leave the group disapointed when one of the hunters traded a polearm to me. It was a really nice surprise. I had stayed through all four bosses, wiped a few times and pulled 2nd on dps on every boss (lost to a paladin main with tons of regular DS gear, including the normal deathwing sword).

It's nice to be rewarded for good performance.

[Scummer]

No.
If people want a loot council they will do a regular raid with guildies. If they want to kill some time and maybe get a piece of gear through RNG they go LFR. You aren't part of their WoW experience so you shouldn't have any say in what gear they should or shouldn't get.

[Jaylock]

I mostly agree with this, however, the tern NEED implies that you intend to use the item. Rolling NEED when you don't is morally wrong, and I don't believe gear should go to the TOP performer, but anyone who is pulling their weight and who has taken the time to understand their class and the fights.

As you said though this is a fault of the system in place and legally you are right, it is still kind of a dick move though, if killing was legal should people just run around killing people all day? Harsh exaggeration but just making a point.

What?? Need implies that you need the item for whatever purpose you want. There are NO rules that says that you must use the item if you need roll. Its not like they automatically equip the item to your character and force you to use it for the next week when you win.

People can need roll on items for many different purposes. What if they want the item to gem / enchant different gems / enchants for different fights and a different spec? It sure saves alot of money when you want Mastery over Haste for 2 fights that one favors a certain spec over another. What if they want the item to put in their void storage so they know they will have that "look" forever in case they want to transmog it? And lets say they are strapped for gold, as so many people complain about (with the not gemming / enchanting gear threads going around), so they need on it to disenchant for gold so they can get the money to gem their other item.

You are not one to tell a person how they should NEED on an item. Just because they already have ONE of that item does not mean that they wont find a use for another. Its simple greed from the ones crying foul play. Atleast this guy is noble and giving it to the one he feels is most deserving.

[scdogg44]

Yeah, give the better gear to the already better geared

/facepalm

Yes you need good gear in order to do good Dps/heals seeing how you need a ilvl of 372 to que anyhow.

/facepalm

In most cases I do more dmg then people who outgear me.

Shit I've even beat players with a legendary.

[Obby]

Etiquette includes putting in a reasonable effort to further the progress of your group. I will happily break an imagined 'loot rule', at no gain to myself, in order to potentially reward those who are not being useless douchebags.

this right here i need on every thing to give to those who deserve it. some of you people saying its a dick move.....but isnt the real dick move showing up in greens on spine and killing the tent5icles then winning EVERY peice cause blizz hands it to the bads and undergeared? and i mean BADS not casuals because casuals are still more intelligent that half of these mouthbreathers....then agian i could teach my cat to do better then some of these people

[Jaylock]

you're pretty much trying to play the role of God in LFR, do you think you are God? If so then yes its ok to do, otherwise let the system do whats its programmed to do and keep your self righteous attitude out of it...

The system is programmed to do EXACTLY what it is meant to do. It allows you to roll NEED on any peice of gear that you can equip after you kill the boss associated with the item. If you helped participate in killing the boss, the system works as intended: It allows you to roll NEED. Who are you to judge how the item is used? Are you God?

[Larwood]

wait wait... so you are saying that even though he already have the item , he could stil "need" it for "personal use", what the hell does that even mean? He wants it in his backpack to stare at it? Are you really this naive... Its about moral, if you already have the item, its more fair and decent of you to not press "need" to let people who dont have it ( the position you were in a few weeks ago) get a fair chance to win the item, cause lets face it, you dont really need it since you wont wear it. Im getting really tierd of you trying to justify your greedy "logic". If three people who dont have an item and really NEEDS it, and then they roll and then 5 other greedy bastards who already have the item "needs" it to, cause you know... they are GREEDY. the three people who really could use it have a less chance of getting it cause some people dont know the difference between right and wrong.

Time to be as clear as possible I think, by cunning use of the example!

Imagine 2 alternate realities. They are identical in every single way except 1 day a chance happening changes the 2 realities. You queue for LFR...

In reality A you are grouped with 23 people and John. John is ret pally with DS Heroic gear in every slot. On the first boss a dps ring drops, and John rolls need along with you and 3 other people.
In reality B you are grouped with the same 23 people and Ben. Ben is also a ret pally, but his gear is mix of LFR gear and heroic gear, and he does his job. The same loot drops, and Ben needs the ring for personal use, so he clicks need.

Now at this point, think carefully about the difference between John and Ben? They are both there, helping to kill bosses, putting time and effort into the raid. They have both done their bit for the group. The only difference between them is not particularly important - John is more than likely doing more dps than Ben.

Let us also consider you, our valiant protagonist. What is different for you? In both cases you have a 20% chance of winning the official roll. Good luck valiant protagonist!
Damn. You rolled 162 and lost, what a pity. John and Ben win in both realities with a roll of 183. At this point in reality B, the loot is gone. In reality A however, there is still potential. It turns out that John rolled need because the warrior, one of the other 3 rollers, was afk for the whole fight! The cheek of it. The warrior rolled 179, so it's a good thing John rolled. John then looks at the rolls and says "oh look, valiant protagonist was the next roll after the warrior, I'll give it to him." John has at this stage managed to do the apparently impossible, and distribute loot better than a random number generator.

But you called John greedy so he gave the ring to the DK.

Better luck next time valiant protagonist!

[ganush]

No.
If people want a loot council they will do a regular raid with guildies. If they want to kill some time and maybe get a piece of gear through RNG they go LFR. You aren't part of their WoW experience so you shouldn't have any say in what gear they should or shouldn't get.

Actually, for the hour you are in the LFR together, you are part of the other person's WoW experience. Personally, I'd like to see those who enhance my experience rewarded, even if I only play with them for an hour. That goes beyond performance, someone who jokes around and is polite and friendly is likely to get loot if I do pass it. I wouldn't pass a piece of gear to the asshat yelling at everyone and calling them noobs, just like I won't pass gear to the jerk who thinks it's ok to put on auto attack and surf porn. If I roll need and pass an item, it's because I don't think certain members of the group deserve that item. As I said, everyone has a right to do this and everyone's criteria are different. It's part of the RNG.

[scdogg44]

The system is programmed to do EXACTLY what it is meant to do. It allows you to roll NEED on any peice of gear that you can equip after you kill the boss associated with the item. If you helped participate in killing the boss, the system works as intended: It allows you to roll NEED. Who are you to judge how the item is used? Are you God?

O man icwhatudidthar.

[Jaylock]

So in normal raids should guilds just let everyone free roll on every item they can use? You are abusing a broken system, a person wanting an upgrade is not greedy, a person rolling need on an item they have is. You can twist this any way you see fit, it doesn't change the fact that you are a greedy person by nature with this kind of logic.

Lets try an analogy:

You work right? Well if you dont, most companies give incentives and rewards to top performers. Now lets say the top performer gets a 100 dollar gift card for doing well that week. Lets say the next week he does well again. Now just because he won the prize last week, does it make him greedy for winning the prize this week? In your failed logic, he should not accept the prize because he "already has it."

[Deleted]

On my Mage and hunter who have all tier already and most other gear from raid. I will need on the items I already have.

If I win such item, I will use recount and determine which person I feel deserves it. Obviously I inspect the person first to see if he's gemmed/enchanted as well.

But normally I give it to the best healer/dps.

I do this, to some extent.

However I don't just give it to the "topdpser", as gear matters.

However it is incredibly easy to spot if someone has done well or not, in 80% of most cases, they simply don't know their rotation and hence to shit dps.

I mean cmon, 99% of LFR members are decked out in 380+ itemlvl now, and still won't do above 20k on ultraxion.

However, there's always some people that know how to play their class, and these are the ones I give the item to.

[scdogg44]

Lets try an analogy:

You work right? Well if you dont, most companies give incentives and rewards to top performers. Now lets say the top performer gets a 100 dollar gift card for doing well that week. Lets say the next week he does well again. Now just because he won the prize last week, does it make him greedy for winning the prize this week? In your failed logic, he should not accept the prize because he "already has it."

The more you talk the more I take back my decision that I was wrong in the first place for making this thread.

The more people agree with me and tell me why, I'm heading towards doing this even more.

Bottom line is, until blizzard somehow fixes the whole loot system, I can roll on it regardless. Of I win I can do as I choose.

Which clearly beats any other decision.

I take it back, I'm not dumb and I'm glad I do this for people who clearly deserve it.

[ganush]

Lets try an analogy:

You work right? Well if you dont, most companies give incentives and rewards to top performers. Now lets say the top performer gets a 100 dollar gift card for doing well that week. Lets say the next week he does well again. Now just because he won the prize last week, does it make him greedy for winning the prize this week? In your failed logic, he should not accept the prize because he "already has it."

A better analogy would be him only being allowed to use one of the gift cards but now he has two. Should that gift card be given to the next best performer or to the worst performer?

[SamR]

Threads like this really show the biggest problem with the WoW community. It's not the newb or lazy players. It's the self-important egotistical jerks who get butthurt when someone unworthy wins loot and feels the need to play master looter.

The funny thing is that when asked most of these people admit they wouldn't act like such douches in LFD and roll need on stuff they didn't need. It's only LFR that they feel the need to act like dicks complete with all the rationalizations and justifications for why they're actually helping the game by keeping loot away from baddies.

I always knew there were a bunch of douchebags in the game, but it's only from these MMO-Champ threads that I've realized how prevalent asshole behavior has become. And ironically this asshole behavior comes from a lot of people who complain about how bad the WoW community is these days.