U.S. Presidential race - Democrat Discussion

[Talokami]

Wouldn't that be the nuttiest thing ever if Obama's birth certificate really was fake? I'm not so foolish as to make such an outlandish claim, but that'd definitely be the story of the decade.

Gotta agree with this. I admit I'd get sick of the "I told you so" screaming but it certainly would be interesting. I'd be curious to see if they retroactively abolished policies of his is this was proven after he left office.

*shrug* As I said, interesting.

[Wells]

I don't think Arpaio even has the legal authority to be doing this, its out of his jurisdiction. Its a waste of tax payer money and a waste of internet.

[TechnoKronic]

I don't think Arpaio even has the legal authority to be doing this, its out of his jurisdiction. Its a waste of tax payer money and a waste of internet.

I think after reading his background most people should know this is a sinking ship.
wouldnt they be able to sue him for deformation of character and possible discrimination due to his past offenses?

[Wells]

I think after reading his background most people should know this is a sinking ship.
wouldnt they be able to sue him for deformation of character and possible discrimination due to his past offenses?

Given all the absolutely evil things Arpaio has done and is accused of doing I'd rather he go down for one of those instead.

[Lenonis]

Its a waste of tax payer money

He's stated that taxpayer money wasn't used for his investigation. Whether or not that is true... /shrug

[Spectral]

Wouldn't that be the nuttiest thing ever if Obama's birth certificate really was fake? I'm not so foolish as to make such an outlandish claim, but that'd definitely be the story of the decade.

Lots of things that have zero supporting evidence would be nutty if they were true. For some reason, this is one that people give and extensive shit about, despite the complete lack of supporting evidence. I can't seem to come up with anything that would make this speculation so rampant with this President, but not any other. I can't imagine. Nope, nothing at all...

[Twiddly]

From the article:






I don't see this going anywhere at all.

TO BE FAIR! I think that Arpaio is a complete nutjob, and to be quite frank, I would not care if Obama was from mars if he were a good president.


But, to your third part, where you say he "Banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails" what exactly is wrong with that? I think all jails should ban all of those things. It is not a luxury vacation to look at porn and enjoy a cig and a movie..it is a jail, because you did bad things.


IN other news, Obama is clearly the best canidate not named Ron Paul, and no way does he get the nomination, so yaaaay four more years! I will personally write in Ron Paul and his vice president Jesse Ventura.

[Dacien]

TO BE FAIR! I think that Arpaio is a complete nutjob, and to be quite frank, I would not care if Obama was from mars if he were a good president.


But, to your third part, where you say he "Banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails" what exactly is wrong with that? I think all jails should ban all of those things. It is not a luxury vacation to look at porn and enjoy a cig and a movie..it is a jail, because you did bad things.


IN other news, Obama is clearly the best canidate not named Ron Paul, and no way does he get the nomination, so yaaaay four more years! I will personally write in Ron Paul and his vice president Jesse Ventura.

Jesse Ventura puts me off with all his rocking back and forth =/

Did you see him give an interview on Piers Morgan? Yeesh!

[nyc81991]

Ron Paul is the only clear choice. Freedom and Liberty, what American can be against that?

~ Infracted

[Spectral]

But, to your third part, where you say he "Banned smoking, coffee, movies, pornographic magazines, and unrestricted TV in all jails" what exactly is wrong with that? I think all jails should ban all of those things. It is not a luxury vacation to look at porn and enjoy a cig and a movie..it is a jail, because you did bad things.

It's simply not good policy. What's to be gained by denying inmates pornographic material or smoking?

[Sunseeker]

It's simply not good policy. What's to be gained by denying inmates pornographic material or smoking?

The fact that prison is a place of punishment? That you're supposed to NOT like it there?

[Spectral]

The fact that prison is a place of punishment? That you're supposed to NOT like it there?

Do you honestly believe that you would enjoy prison as long as you had porn and could smoke? Do you honestly believe that anyone's suggesting that prison should be fun? Disingenuous arguments might make you feel clever, but they're not very useful.

[Sunseeker]

Do you honestly believe that you would enjoy prison as long as you had porn and could smoke? Do you honestly believe that anyone's suggesting that prison should be fun? Disingenuous arguments might make you feel clever, but they're not very useful.

Me? Of course not. But being white, middle-class and male, I'm not in the demographic that is most likely to end up in prison.

You have to compare the benefits of being in prison to the benefits of not being in prison. Unemployed, dirt poor, possibly no home, questionable utilities service, dangerous neighborhoods. You're basically saying: "Hey you can live better and all you have to do is break the law!" When I lived in a poorer area I knew several people who committed crimes for no other reason that when they weren't in jail, they were living on the streets.

[Wells]

Me? Of course not. But being white, middle-class and male, I'm not in the demographic that is most likely to end up in prison.

Wow talk about missing the point.

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You have to compare the benefits of being in prison to the benefits of not being in prison. Unemployed, dirt poor, possibly no home, questionable utilities service, dangerous neighborhoods. You're basically saying: "Hey you can live better and all you have to do is break the law!" When I lived in a poorer area I knew several people who committed crimes for no other reason that when they weren't in jail, they were living on the streets.

Sounds more like a problem with how we treat the poor rather than how we treat prisoners.

For my part I prefer a justice system that lowers crime rates rather than one that pleases the revenge centers in my brain.

[Sunseeker]

Wow talk about missing the point.

You have to make a point for it to be missed, you haven't yet.

Sounds more like a problem with how we treat the poor rather than how we treat prisoners.
For my part I prefer a justice system that lowers crime rates rather than one that pleases the revenge centers in my brain.

Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that prison is not someplace even the poor should WANT to go, if people don't WANT to go to prison because prison offers them a better standard of living, they're not committing crimes to get there. That is reducing crime.

Now treating the poor better is a great goal and all, but we can't simply give them everything.

[Wells]

Good for you. That doesn't change the fact that prison is not someplace even the poor should WANT to go, if people don't WANT to go to prison because prison offers them a better standard of living, they're not committing crimes to get there. That is reducing crime.

You really think that will off set the recidivism effect that harsh prisons create? Fact is treating prisoners like shit just makes everything worse. Its less safe for the gaurds, its less safe for prisoners, it turns minor offenders into major offenders and creates a culture of crime.

If giving them porn reduces prison rape rates and letting them watch tv prevents them from forming gangs and stabbing a guard then great.

Not to mention you really aught to provide some numbers on poor people going to prison for comfort.

[Sunseeker]

You really think that will off set the recidivism effect that harsh prisons create? Fact is treating prisoners like shit just makes everything worse. Its less safe for the gaurds, its less safe for prisoners, it turns minor offenders into major offenders and creates a culture of crime.

Who's talking about treating prisoners harshly? I'm talking about denying them TV, cigarettes and porn, not asking for them to be whipped.

If giving them porn reduces prison rape rates and letting them watch tv prevents them from forming gangs and stabbing a guard then great.

So, if we're not fixing people, and we're not punishing them, why are we wasting so much money locking them up?

Not to mention you really aught to provide some numbers on poor people going to prison for comfort.

I clearly stated "I saw" it was obviously anecdotal. It happens, and I have no idea how often it happens, and I can't really be bothered right now to go look it up.

[Spectral]

Not to mention you really aught to provide some numbers on poor people going to prison for comfort.

When it happens, it's an actual news story. When he says he knew several people that did it, he's lying. That's why I stopped replying - when someone's willing to make blatantly racist arguments and lie about their own experiences, in order to justify their masochistic fantasies of "justice", there's not much point in conversation.

Remember to post respectfully. No need for outright put-downs - Dacien

[Twiddly]

I do not consider having no porn and no ciggaretes to be a "Harsh" prison, but I guess Wells and I do not agree on that. Prisons should be prisons. It is not about revenge, it is about being punished. You think having porn and tv makes inmates less likely to commit another crime?

[Wells]

I do not consider having no porn and no ciggaretes to be a "Harsh" prison, but I guess Wells and I do not agree on that. Prisons should be prisons. It is not about revenge, it is about being punished. You think having porn and tv makes inmates less likely to commit another crime?

Do I think porn might cut down on prison rape? Yuuuup.

Do I think bored inmates are more likely to cause violence? Yuuuup.