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EDIT: And I know it's a small comfort but hey, still something!
I can feel butterflies in my stomach!
"So, he sent a succubus to seduce you, and lure you down to his side. And yet, first thing you do is to check her ass? Ah, kid, you've got much to learn.."
None of thats happened yet.
The (main)indoctrination theory( some have theorised it starts later after the ILM/anderson confrontation) means everything after the blinding flash of light when you were close to being hit by harbingers ray beam of death never happened, that was all in Shepards head from the getting up and slow motion shooting bit to the Very last scene of joker etc getting out of the normandy- is his head sorting through and resisting(or giving in) to the indoctrination process, the in head part ends and reality starts again in the "deep breath" pre rendered segment at the end of the "Perfect Destory" ending. As for when Reality establishes itself for the other 2 endings(synthesis and control), it doesnt because your under Harbys control.
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Maybe that's simply how indoctrination works? I've never thought of it as full mind control, more of as a warping of the mind. Indoctrinated people can still be spoken to, and even reasoned with to a small degree, just look at Saren. Maybe indoctrination simply changes your perspective of things, by making you think that your actions are always in the right and will result in the greatest good. That's my theory anyway.
Fulfilled what task? He's indoctrinated at that point - his only 'task' is to not stop them. Even in the Destroy ending, he would remain indoctrinated right up until it shows him waking up in London.
If you shoot him, the Illusive Man even mentions that he wishes you could see Earth as he does - 'perfect'. To me, that suggests they see pleasant imagery as a means of coercion.
Another thing i noticed is when Shep shoots Anderson on his left side, Shep then proceeds to hold his left side and bleeds quite a bit more. (as if in reality he shot him self)
Now the question is, are we talking Blizzard "Soon" or the actual meaning of Soon? :P
And all this talk about indoctrination is really interesting and makes sense. Apparently accrding to the Final Hours app that that one video game dude made, the writers were actually happy with the endings they made and are meant to be taken at face value (ROFL). Another thing is they actually tried out having Shepard "lose control" of himself (being indoctrinated) but scrapped it because they couldn't get it to work as a gameplay mechanic. So all the framework is there, now all they need to do is use it. I think making amends with the fans is far more important than the writers pride at this point.
As someone else already pointed out in this thread, they only removed the gameplay element from the game. The effects of indoctrination on the ending have not been scrapped, at least that can be inferred, and honestly, we have all just been waiting for Shepard to be indoctrinated. After all, he spent so much among Reapers and their artifacts, it would be about time, no matter how crazy his willpower is. Highfunctioning cases of indoctrination have been present before, like Saren.
What actually made me close my Firefox window with some of the Final Hour stuff, was the moment, when they were seriously happy and meant to be taken at face value with their image of Tali.
I paraphrased that article for them. (Source: http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/to...ndex/9999272/1)We eventually decided that she gives you a memento of her pictures, but the team was throwing around a lot of pictures and designs until we decided on something and said "Yup, that's her".
That justification seriously made me consider inflicting catastrophic damage to my monitor.We eventually decided, we are too lazy to model her face properly and did not forward any assignment to our art directors and artists, so we ended up pirating a picture from gettyimages, photoshopped it like a 5 yr old and told us: "Yup, that's her. No way in the world that will come out and a shitstorm will build up, because of the suspense we worked so hard to create after hiding quarians behind their masks for 5 years."
True, but the difference is that in GTA3 you're only shooting (and robbing, murdering, having sex with, etc) pixels. In WOW you get the pleasure of dealing with some of the most despicable human behaviour you'll ever witness.
Huh... you sure it's meant to be that way?
I thought it worked more like Shepard TAKING control, not losing it... you know, kinda exactly what TIM wanted to do, but wasn't able to. (As the catalyst even explicitly states)
So Shepard would sacrifice himself to act kinda like a virus infecting all Reapers and then kinda controlling them.. or at least telling them "Yo guys, you know that kill all Organics-thingy? Well, let's not do that anymore... let's go on a vacation into the dark space and not return!"... something like that.
So yeah, Control meaning "I take control!", kinda like Destroy means "I destroy!", not "I'll be destroyed!".
According to the indoctrination theory when you take control its actually reapers finally taking control over you, it said that in the vid you can see the kid in one frame when shepard is taking control but when he goes right and destorys it the kids insta vanishes as if the indoctrination is gone.
Edit: How to i make my text black so avoid spoilers?
Last edited by Bornams; 2012-03-16 at 09:41 PM.