And "how to polish something" is an innovation.most new things are nothing more then polishing existing concepts
And "how to polish something" is an innovation.most new things are nothing more then polishing existing concepts
Blizzard are not really a dev known for innovation.
What made Blizzard special was design savvy. Blizzard games are designed with a keenness equaled by only a handful developers in the world. And only a handful of games in the history of the medium.
Diablo 3 isn't spectacular because it is different from Torchlight. The genius, D3 is a masterwork of design, of Diablo 3 is expressed in something as small as... the sound of clay pots breaking.
Innovation? The notion is absurd, false even. Iteration is the Blizzard secret.
blizzard could have remade d1 and d2 and it would still be a success imo, cuz alot of ppl never played it and a bunch of us wouldnt mind playin it again lol
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Blizzard never was about innovative games, it was about doing classic genres the right way. Starcraft and Warcraft were not very original RTS games but they were great RTS games. WoW also wasnt that innovative but it was done much better then any other MMO before it. Not sure about diablo since i dont know if there were such hack and slash games before it? D1 was one of the first games i played.
It doesn't. Gaming has evolved since diablo 2. Diablo 3 doesn't reflect this enough IMO. It's a tired model that has failed to keep up.
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I didn't expect a carbon copy, in fact I expected more change and more evolution.
I think people are overlooking something fairly important.
Blizzard conquered the MMO market by being innovative.
Blizzard conquered the Dungeon Crawler by being innovative.
Blizzard destroyed the only other major RTS titles (CnC) by being innovative.
The did this stuff many years ago. They do not need to be innovative with crazy and insane new gameplay styles because no other developer has managed to give them any sort of competition in the genres they focus on.
That's the problem with a series that's so old and so popular. Either people will find that the game isn't enough like the previous games, or that it is too much like the previous games. Blizzard can't win. No one can win that.
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To be honest, that was helped along a lot by EA's general douchebaggery half a decade ago.
Diablo 2 is not the PC equivalent of FF7, a title that had insane success due to the luck of being a game that "stuck it to Nintendo" in a period in which doing exactly that was some sort of social gold medal.
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I absolutely agree with you on that.
That's a bit disengenious. IF ANY DEVELOPER has enough favour with their audience it's Blizzard. They could have turned d3 into anything as long as it was fun people would support them. It's Blizzard. It's Diablo 3. Even if what you say is true that's no excuse for doing a meh job and not pushing themselves or the game forward enough.
Last edited by Glorious Leader; 2012-05-22 at 08:38 PM.
Though I understand your complaint in theory, in practice you're complaining that a sequel is similar to the game before. Duh. That's how sequels work. If they weren't, the internets would be exploding with millions of people arguing that Blizzard has lost the soul of Diablo and Starcraft by making their sequels so terribly different from the first game(s). If you've grown tired of Starcraft and Diablo, that's more than fine. Try another game, try another hobby! But that's what sequels do, and if they aren't similar to the games before all hell WILL break loose.
And a lot of people do enjoy what they have been given. Could it have been more? Sure, any game can. But as with any other (sane) developer, Blizzard learns as they go along. Compared to what happened to the game over the next 10 years, the 1.0 version of D2 wasn't exactly spectacular either. Blizzard will take what feedback they can from this and incorporate it into an expansion in a way that fits best possibly with whatever they already have planned for it.
See but were back in the 2000 mindset. Yes d2 was crap at start so it's okay that d3 is crap at start because well d2 got better and so will d3. How long was the development of this game? 10 years? 5 years? I hear so many mixed fucking answers. If they didn't listen then what makes you think they'll listen now? Did they not beta test the crap out of this game? Blizzard is usually very good at that. It's shit and the shittiest part is that of course people will still buy the expansions and reward them for it.. The status quo keeps rolling along because everyone is a bit to complacent
Blizzard are being innovative by using existing things and putting them in the perfect places.
It's pretty clever of them.
You are confusing what you want with what other people want. I'm sorry that the game doesn't appeal to you and is too much like D2 for your liking, but as Nerraw said, plenty of people simply wanted a D2 reboot. Plenty of people are playing the game and think Blizzard did an excellent job. You lack any sense of discernment or critical thinking in thinking that Blizzard should have made the exact game you wanted it to be. I'm not saying the game is perfect, there is room for balancing, but you should really learn that different people like different things and you are just one person.