As a character I always respected and liked very much, I was also always somewhat disturbed by her tolerance for the horde. It shouldn't be this way, she must hate horde like every normal Alliance character/player. I'm long since quit WoW but I'm keeping a close eye on her and hoping one day she'd also become absolutely badass in addition to her sexy looks. I want to see her kicking some whorde ass, and I mean literary. I want her to put a serious waste to horde, hopefully even kill few notable horde characters in the process or at least kick some sylvanas or other crap's ass.
With this your are right that druidism power, is not a strong as the raw power as a mage, but druidsm power at his level is really really strong, if you read wolfheart, Because he wanted people to stop there yelling in a instant he made lightning strike around him, and in war of the ancient, he was a great help, so he is still in so many ways more then just a meatbag, for yes raw druid power is not as effectiv as a mages, but on his level, he is also very offensiv with lightning, Entangling Roots, hurricanes.
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I highly recommend you significantly change your wording if not our right deleting that post Combatbulter or this thread will derail.
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I think he's counting on it derailing at this point. That's one of the great fail-flails of the intewebs. If you are starting to lose ground in a valid argument, quickly change course to an unrelated divisive topic. Suggestions include, but not limited to; American tyranny and it's "evils", Hitler, video-game console wars, Europe is a socialist wonderland without flaw, and your mom.
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She should definitely get into a bad mood. She needs to show the horde that you don't mess with the most powerful mage in the land!
Just to nitpick: the druid doesn't take the life away from the surroundings to heal, the druid pleades to the lifeforms near to give a small amount of their lifeform to perform the healing. The lifeforms accept depending on the druish-righteousness of the cause, the atuning to nature of the pleader and the eagerness of the plea. In normal wounds, no plant really has to die. Korialstrasz was more dead than alive, and his lifeforce was enormous, but the plants around Malfurion were so moved by his desire to heal the dragon that they gave themselves.
I wanted to say this because with that wording it looks like the druids can steal life from one being to give it to another.
Skirmishes are one thing. But the Forsaken invasion of Gilneas is a far cry from a skirmish since it involves attempting, not attempting to grab some obscure piece of land, but the capital and entirety of territory of another faction.
Same thing with the Ashenvale invasion. A leader could always deny knowledge or involvement in a clash between small forces (Thrall's been doing it since launch). But when you have said faction leader at the forefront of a battle in another's territory you don't need to say anything. That is a clear declaration of war.
STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it
Alterac Valley. Arathi Basin. Eye of the Storm. Warsong Gulch.
These don't count? The fighting in GH and ICC is no worse than the fighting that came before in previous Xpacs. Yes...Varian committed an act of war. The question is...did war follow? And it doesn't seem that is the case. Whatever Varian said or did, it appears to have resulted in no armies being moved, no sieges being initiated, no conflicts begun, no navies unleashed. It resulted in zero quests, zero impact to the story. It had no ramifications, no consequences. It could have had that effect....but the act doesn't have to escalate into the state of war. Thrall certainly had an excuse to retaliate..except he didn't want to. And Varian appears to have done nothing to follow up. Tensions rose, cooperation was broken off but an actual state of war?
Regardless....we've had this discussion before, we'll no doubt have it again (unless the next novel spells things out) but this isn't the thread for it.
EJL
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The point being that there is nothing...absolutely nothing...in game or lore to suggest any major change in relations beyond this. Thrall didn't want war and Varian, as you put it, appears to have calmed down. His act of war does not appear to have led to a state of war. Raised tension, ended cooperation? Yes. More?
EJL
Personally, ready for some Orc Hate. Garrosh needs to die. Then be rezzed. Then die again. Yeah. I like it.
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As bayushisan stated though, she killed her father to save Thrall's Horde, Thrall's Horde joined with her to fight the demons and the undead. Thrall's Horde left her small expedition force alone after the events of Hyjal, despite the fact that they could have wiped her out. She was willing to work for peace with Thrall's Horde, and she didn't realize how much different Garrosh's Horde is from Thrall's. She advocated for peaceful solutions to avoid conflict and war. She saw war and death tear apart her homelands, she was a child of an Admiral and a child of war, she knew its true horrors. Garrosh has never known real war, he's seen skirmishes, but he lived and hid in Nagrand in his childhood.
Garrosh is a bad kid who got a hold of something that he should have never had, for all of the wrong reasons. Thrall gave him the Horde for things he hoped would happen rather than things that were already there.
Jaina has every reason to lash out at the Horde, no matter who runs it afterwards. The soldiers of the Horde razed her home, soldiers that she did her best in the past to save. She is the most powerful mage in Azeroth, she stood toe to toe with the Lich King Arthas Menethil, and survived. No one else could pull off that feat, even the leaders of the Burning Legion were afraid to attempt such an action, Illidan nearly lost his life to just Arthas Menethil the Death Knight. With the location of Theramore she could have wiped Orgrimmar off the face of Azeroth, especially with her adept command of water and ice magic. Toss in the fact that she can teleport into Orgrimmar at will, and even create portals, that in and of itself should speak to her command of the arcane. All of the mages of the Horde that live in Orgrimmar have nothing on her, they don't even know that it's happening until after she's already locked the portal. The seat of power of the Horde up till now has been unknowingly at the mercy and survived on the good will of Jaina Proudmore. Blizzard will hopefully properly portray the wrath she'll be unleashing over the betrayal and unforgivable acts of aggression against her city, people and self.
It led to a point of direct battle between Horde and Alliance forces in Grizzly Hills and Icecrown, with Tirion forcing a truce and a further treaty, which Shattering indicates. I mean, Broken Front? The Argent Crusaders telling that the Alliance and the Horde are dumb for fighting each other right at Arthas' footsteps?
What people forget is that there was a war between WotLK and Cataclysm, the War Against the Nightmare.
I want to see her as a raid boss. She seems to be going that direction anyhow. Power-hungry mage.