Fights which would have taken place anyway.
Just as they were dumb for fighting over vantage towers in the EPL. Or for getting dust in Silithus. Fighnting to keep open/close supply routes in Arathi Basin.I mean, Broken Front? The Argent Crusaders telling that the Alliance and the Horde are dumb for fighting each other right at Arthas' footsteps?
Fighting in and of itself has never been a sign of a state of war. You can have one with out the other. And there is literally nothing in game or in lore to tie in any event to a state of war. Nothing. Not one thing. Varian committed an act of war....did Thrall pick up his challenge? Did Varian "calm down"? You see the fighting in ICC and GH as proof of war. Fine. I look and I see business as usual. I see nothing there that doesn't happen elsewhere. Worse, I don't see anyone using the excuse of "war" to justify their actions. The Broken Front occurred because the commander would rather see the Horde victorious over the Scourge, or noone and couldn't bear the thought the Alliance were doing better. The Grizzly Hills occurred because both sides needed resources. Without the excuse of coioperation to keep them in check, the usual inclination to fight reasserted itself.
EJL
Sorry, I forgot a comma there. The treaty has nothing to do with Tirion.
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We don't know that, especially when the leadership would be different if the Wrathgate didn't happened the way it happened.
It still doesn't change that after Wrathgate and Undercity, the Alliance and Horde fight each other on every field they are present in Northrend. There is a clear "cause-effect" there, supported by the quests and logs, like the one Zaelsino posted.
Her new model seems to give the impression that she caught part of the blast. And it looks like it might've empowered her. Dammit...
Now I'm more eager for the book.
Last edited by RyanEX; 2012-06-12 at 11:20 PM.
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I thought her hair was going all white from the arcane, but her inner hatred has brought out in my opinion.
Can't wait to for Mists of Pandaria and damn Garrosh can;t wait to kill him off either.
For the Horde!
Theramore invaded Horde territory first. She has little right to be so angry. Second she wouldn't be able to wipe out Orgrimmar. The Horde has gained a sizeable navy to counter Theramore and she wouldn't be able to control the ocean if that's what you're getting at. Third I'm pretty sure Aethas can mass teleport as well. They don't let just anyone join the Six, a group of the most powerful mages made to rule the capital of mortal magic users. Lastly the part where you said no one else could stand toe to toe with the Lich King and survive, Sylvanas did.
May I remind you Admiral which you have the same name as the admiral of Kul Tiras that half of the Fleet of Kul Tiras alone is all the fleet that the Horde have so don't overestimate the Horde fleet. Second she has the Focusing Iris on her possesion the artifact that can control magic. I am sure she can obliterate Orgrimmar if she wanted. Aethas is a part of the Kirin Tor a neutral faction. He cannot interfere without provoking the Kirin Tor and he is just only one. Now about Sylvannas it was game mechanics that she survived from Arthas as she is no mage not to mention that she of course could have died if were not for the players.
we alrdy seen her being crazy in cata in the latest hc dungeons.
i really like her new looks. it might bring me back into the game to see all the new lore that is going around.
Why did Admiral Proudmoore die? When his death didnt restore peace between theramore and the horde.
Horde invaded ASHENVALE first. Get it right. And from doing the questlines in their entirety the whole S. Barrens questline had very little with offensive as it did defensive since the entire line involved the Alliance pushing into Stonetalons as a way to get supplies and reinforcements into Ashenvale.
And I again find it rather hilarious that the orc idea of treachery involves fighting back after being provoked.
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Dunno bout her hair, but the way her eyes look it looks like she was exposed to a lot of energy.
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Where does it say the entire SB invasion was simply to get supplies into Stonetalon/Ashenvale?
It did restore peace.
Jaina siding with the Horde saved Thermore and saved a little bit of the Horde's respect
Even though peace resumed.......
Proudmoore's action left very bitter feelings between the Horde and Thermore
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More defensive rather offensive?
Human armies are launching an offense against enemy lands. I dont see that as being defensive. Unless its pre-emptive
and Garrosh may have been the first to strike in this most recent conflict
But it was Proudmoore using Thermore as a base that first broke the peace between the New Horde and New Alliance
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Its not to get simpe supplies to the Night Elves.
They can just do that by boat
Its to link up Human armies with Night Elf armies.
Since they are currently fighting at differant sides of the continent
it makes sense military wise, to invade Horde lands from two sides, lnik up, then make the final push together.
Except in this case, the Night Elves are more staying still, and the Humans armies are the ones that are doing all the "linking up"
Last edited by Dreknar20; 2012-06-13 at 02:51 PM.
Drek, you're all over the place. First Theramore broke the peace by allowing the Alliance to use it as a base. And THEN you say that Garrosh was the first to strike. Garrosh struck, THEN the Alliance landed forces at Theramore to try to get through to Ashenvale. The entire questline sends you simply supporting the various camps that defend said road to Stonetalon, then it sends you into Stonetalon with the culmination being you trying to save as many druids before the bomb is dropped.
And no they can't get supplies by boat since Auberdine was destroyed by water elementals. The only way there is by bird. So Theramore is now the ONLY port in Kalimdor for the Alliance. Or rather it was. And the Night elves are indeed pushing to link up, since, like the Alliance S.Barren quests, the Ashenvale quests have you pushing south into Stonetalon. Again, once the questlines merge you're final bit involves rescuing as many druids as you can before the Horde drop the bomb.
Last edited by RyanEX; 2012-06-13 at 05:16 PM.
STRESS
The confusion caused when one's mind
overrides the body's basic
desire to choke the living shit out of
some jerk who desperately needs it