non-Americans take on the US elections

[Adam Jensen]

Romney is not crazy, he is just incompetent.

This. Crazy people typically have personality.

[Schattenlied]

Is it? when you see all the things the christian far right stands for that is considered the base of the republican party.


1). This group wants to dominate women and tell them how to act. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

2). This group wants there to be a national religion, barring other religions from the country. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

3). This group wants prayer to be a prominent part of education. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

4). This group wants to dictate their morals to the rest of the population, with severe penalties for non-compliance. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

5). This group is not interested in freedom of speech. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

6). This group is not interested in freedom of religion. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

7). This group wants their “law” to be the law of the land, regardless of what the people might want. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

8). This group wants to convert the entire world into their way of thinking. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

9). This group thinks homosexuality is an abomination and should be eradicated from the face of the Earth. Taliban? Or Religious Right?

If you answered both to every one of these statements, then you are correct. As you can see, other than the country they are operating in, there is little, if any, difference between the two groups.



So as you can see there are lots of common actions between Talibans and the christian right in the USA ( that makes up the base of the GOP ) And comparing democratic party to Stalin is just so untrue since Democratic party is more right wing leaning than most right wing leaning parties in Europe. And really i doubt you would label the Tory's the CDU in Germany the moderate party in Sweden etc as being ultra communist parties.

Wow, you just believe everything the Liberal media tells you, don't you?

1) Wrong
2) Wrong
3) Wrong, they want the right to be allowed to pray at schools, not for it to be a part of the education system.
4) Wrong
5) Wrong
6) Wrong
7) Wrong
8) Wrong
and
9) Wrong

Seriously, get your head out of your ass, you seem to be judging an entire group of people based on the actions of a small group of "Christians" who call themselves such but really aren't. You are literally judging an entire religion based on the actions of people who are not actually a part of it, no real Christian is like that.

[zorkuus]

Seriously, get your head out of your ass, you seem to be judging an entire group of people based on the actions of a small group of "Christians" who call themselves such but really aren't. You are literally judging an entire religion based on the actions of people who are not actually a part of it, no real Christian is like that.

He specifically stated "the christian far right".

[Schattenlied]

He specifically stated "the christian far right".

I AM "christian far right", and we're not like that, the people he is describing are not really Christians, as their actions show. You can't call someone a Christian if everything they do goes against the religion itself.

[Adam Jensen]

3) Wrong, they want the right to be allowed to pray at schools, not for it to be a part of the education system.

No one is prohibited to pray on their own at schools. If an administrator is claiming this, they are wrong.

Rather, no teacher is allowed to obligate students to take part in mandatory prayer. There's a difference.

[Schattenlied]

No one is prohibited to pray on their own at schools. If an administrator is claiming this, they are wrong.

Rather, no teacher is allowed to obligate students to take part in mandatory prayer. There's a difference.

Right, of course, that's why kids get kicked off college campuses for praying all the time, because they aren't prohibited from doing it...

[Adam Jensen]

Right, of course, that's why kids get kicked off college campuses for praying all the time, because they aren't prohibited from doing it...

And that would be an abuse of power, and not the intent of making schools a secular place. If kids want to pray, they can pray. If kids are being forced to pray, that's different.

Do you have a source for kids being kicked off campus for praying?

[Jackmoves]

Oh and to the OP, I'm not sure where you got your figures, but GW Bush added 4.9 trillion in debt in 8 years. Obama has added 4.94 trillion in less than 4 years.

Maybe I'm stupid, but Bush didn't have to deal with one of the biggest recessions in recent times. You could argue that Obama spent the money in the wrong way, but you can not compare the debt he added to Bush because Bush didn't really have a major economic recession to deal with(not for long at least).

So, Obama came into power when the US was involved in two wars and had just been hit by a major economic recession, Bush came into power with budget surpluses, started two full scale wars and did not really have to deal with the economic recession to nearly the same degree as Obama.

Obama could have left the banks and GM etc untouched, had them crash and burn but that to would have hurt the american economy(and the rest of the world) as well, lots of jobs would have been lost etc.

So when it comes to debt, comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges as they say. That being said Obama is not without fault, he's kind of a disappoinment to me(I had high hopes)and he rolled over for the big shots on wallstreet far too much, but thats not necessarily Obama's fault, thats the fault of the system that is in place in the US.

I got a couple of problems with the US political system
Special interests in the US got far too much influence, the electoral college and the fact that it's only really two parties to choose among, I also think it's quite sad that the voter turnout in the US is so awfully low but that comes as a result of the above mentioned problems. Voter turnout is a good indication that something is wrong imo, it's your chance to effect the way your country is run and that should be important to everyone.

In the 2008 election 63% turned out to Vote in the US presidential election, it blows my mind. The US got a lower voter turnout then India for example, where a considerable amount of people are still illiterate.

Something needs to be done about it imo.

[zorkuus]

I AM "christian far right", and we're not like that, the people he is describing are not really Christians, as their actions show. You can't call someone a Christian if everything they do goes against the religion itself.

right...

So that's your argument? He said, she said. They also say that your brand of a more tolerant form of christianity is not real christianity.

[Schattenlied]

right...

So that's your argument? He said, she said. They also say that your brand of a more tolerant form of christianity is not real christianity.

Considering pretty much everything in the bible proves them wrong, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

[Grizzly Willy]

Considering pretty much everything in the bible proves them wrong, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

I don't think any of the Conservative Christian voter base is supported by the Bible.

[zorkuus]

Considering pretty much everything in the bible proves them wrong, I'm pretty sure I'm right.

I disagree but we can't have that discussion here.

[Deleted]

Biased poll is biased.

Where's the Ron Paul option or a not supporting any of them option?

[Todgruppe]

Maybe I'm stupid, but Bush didn't have to deal with one of the biggest recessions in recent times. You could argue that Obama spent the money in the wrong way, but you can not compare the debt he added to Bush because Bush didn't really have a major economic recession to deal with(not for long at least).

So, Obama came into power when the US was involved in two wars and had just been hit by a major economic recession, Bush came into power with budget surpluses, started two full scale wars and did not really have to deal with the economic recession to nearly the same degree as Obama.

Obama could have left the banks and GM etc untouched, had them crash and burn but that to would have hurt the american economy(and the rest of the world) as well, lots of jobs would have been lost etc.

So when it comes to debt, comparing the two is like comparing apples to oranges as they say. That being said Obama is not without fault, he's kind of a disappoinment to me(I had high hopes)and he rolled over for the big shots on wallstreet far too much, but thats not necessarily Obama's fault, thats the fault of the system that is in place in the US.

I got a couple of problems with the US political system
Special interests in the US got far too much influence, the electoral college and the fact that it's only really two parties to choose among, I also think it's quite sad that the voter turnout in the US is so awfully low but that comes as a result of the above mentioned problems. Voter turnout is a good indication that something is wrong imo, it's your chance to effect the way your country is run and that should be important to everyone.

In the 2008 election 63% turned out to Vote in the US presidential election, it blows my mind. The US got a lower voter turnout then India for example, where a considerable amount of people are still illiterate.

Something needs to be done about it imo.

No, he just had to deal with the collapse of the Twin Towers, attack on the Pentagon, and crash site in PA, nothing major. Katarina, Isabel, know I'm forgetting something else but meh. Bush inherited problems from pussy footing Clinton, who got them from Bush I, who got them from Reagan, who got them from Carter, etc. Put more to blame on Carter than anyone else is recent memory, banning of assassinations by Americans (but you bet we can use Mossad or GSG9 or GIGN or MI6) to do it, rise of radical Islam and the precious little he did to stem it.

[Wikiy]

This. Crazy people typically have personality.

He's a Mormon. That should really be enough. He believes Jesus descended 200 (or something like that) years ago in Missouri and told a known con who committed 50 offenses where he can dig up the new Holy book. If i'm also not mistaken, he believes Jesus will return to rule America. One thing i'm sure about is that he posthumously baptized a scientist relative who absolutely hated religion of any kind. He pays 10% of his profits to the Mormon Church ("donates") so he can guarantee entrance to heaven. Yes, you may say Mormons aren't any different than other religions, but no, in the same way Islam is worse than most religions, so is Mormonism. Besides all of that, he seeks to restrict gay rights, secularism, and has openly stated he's an enemy of academic education. If you combine all of that, it's really enough for me to consider him a mentally (or morally) ill person.

Infracted

[Venziir]

He's a Mormon. That should really be enough. He believes Jesus descended 200 (or something like that) years ago in Missouri and told a known con who committed 50 offenses where he can dig up the new Holy book. If i'm also not mistaken, he believes Jesus will return to rule America. One thing i'm sure about is that he posthumously baptized a scientist relative who absolutely hated religion of any kind. He pays 10% of his profits to the Mormon Church ("donates") so he can guarantee entrance to heaven. Yes, you may say Mormons aren't any different than other religions, but no, in the same way Islam is worse than most religions, so is Mormonism. Besides all of that, he seeks to restrict gay rights, secularism, and has openly stated he's an enemy of academic education. If you combine all of that, it's really enough for me to declare him a mentally ill person.

While I partly agree - I'm fairly sure this will earn you an infraction.

[haxartus]

While I partly agree - I'm fairly sure this will earn you an infraction.

Depends on the moderator. I've received infractions for less and have gotten away with more.

[dicertification]

Either way the US is just as fucked as it is now. 2 party system where both parties are corporate pawns. Same boat we are in.

[Deleted]

I AM "christian far right", and we're not like that, the people he is describing are not really Christians, as their actions show. You can't call someone a Christian if everything they do goes against the religion itself.

Christian right? Hm. I am a lefty pacifist socialist, but according to the standards of Jesus Christ? He would have called me a luke-warm egoist, I could not follow his radical left-wing path. He said clearly that it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle-hole than for a rich man to enter heaven, and that you should give up everything to follow him. No, I am far too moderate, far too centrist to be able to call myself a Christian. He was rightfully executed as a terrorist, and if I wanted to follow him I would not face capital punishment, as that is abandoned here, but would face jail time nevertheless. No, even if I did believe in a personal god, I would not have the guts, the extreme altruism and radical anti-capitalism necessary to call myself a Christian.

[Venziir]

Christian right? Hm. I am a lefty pacifist socialist, but according to the standards of Jesus Christ? He would have called me a luke-warm egoist, I could not follow his radical left-wing path. He said clearly that it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle-hole than for a rich man to enter heaven, and that you should give up everything to follow him. No, I am far too moderate, far too centrist to be able to call myself a Christian. He was rightfully executed as a terrorist, and if I wanted to follow him I would not face capital punishment, as that is abandoned here, but would face jail time nevertheless. No, even if I did believe in a personal god, I would not have the guts, the extreme altruism and radical anti-capitalism necessary to call myself a Christian.

This is by far, the best post I've seen in a long time.