He used to know, but he either think its a nice trick or he just forgot.
Let's address that in 5.1 if needed, no need to hotfix, right ?
He used to know, but he either think its a nice trick or he just forgot.
Let's address that in 5.1 if needed, no need to hotfix, right ?
Speaking of Havok, let me just throw this little macro out there for anyone might be a little less versed in them.
/cast [@focus,exists][@mouseover] Havok
That'll cast Havok on your focus target if you have one, and whatever you have your mouse cursor on if you don't have one. Very handy for getting Havok up without having to target switch twice.
He knows. I brought it up when the change to CB and Havoc occurred, and he said he would fix it. That, has, however, yet to occur.
Keep in mind that if one add dies, you can SB another dying add or two to get your 3 casts off. Also, let's not forget that for each add that dies within 5 seconds of SB we get an ember refunded, so if we Havoc the boss and SB 3 dying adds we'll effectively get 6 SBs for a 0 sum ember cost.
the last update introduced Shadowburn granting an bonus ember when ever it instantly kills a target (and this is in addition to the initial Ember that was use to cast the spell being refunded if the target dies). And if a havoc-cleaved Shadowburn kills two targets instantly you get 2 bonus embers plus the refunded ember!!!
I got so many embers i don't know what to do with myself!!!. Destro is amazingly fun for sniping killing blows now in Heroic Dungeons, now on par with Metamorphosis killing-blow-sniping. (poor Shadow Priests/Hunters, you have a cooldown on your execute )
Last edited by Grubjuice; 2012-09-17 at 03:35 PM.
Hi, I am reading recent findings that grimoire of sacrifice is now the talent of choice for a destro lock, over the grimoire of supremacy.
although i am pretty peed off at having to lose the pet full stop..i mean why else do you play a lock but to have these pets? it seems sacrificing the pet no wmakes u a shadow mage (((
Indeed. It's the sort of difference that only makes a difference if you're doing cutting edge progression content or extreme soloing tricks. For most people, myself included, the choice between Sac and Sup is one of style and utility.
The same would hold true when choosing between Sup demons. The Observer was very slightly higher damage, the last I check, and an interrupt is always a useful tool to bring. But I find myself using the Shivarra for basic daily work most often just because I've wanted one for years. It's easy enough to switch if I find myself in a situation where it actually matters.
ok thank you for that ;-)
I meant to address this sooner.
This sounds about right, however just know that you should never use methods 2 or 3 on bosses. The reason being is that Havoc is, for all intents and purposes, a free resource cooldown every 25 seconds. In order to get the most out of the CD we need to maximize the resource gain.
1) We get a free Chaos Bolt, resulting in what is essentially 10 extra ember bits
2) We get an extra Incinerate, resulting in 1-2 ember bits. Any gains from Immolate are virtually negligible
3) We get 3 extra incinerates, resulting in a maximum of 6 extra ember bits, and a minimum of 3.
Therefore, from a resource standpoint it will ALWAYS be best to spend Havoc on 1 Chaos Bolt. However, let's consider a 4th scenario: Cast Havoc on A, and then cast Shadowburn on dying adds B, C, and D.
4) We get 3 free Shadowburns, which equates to 30 ember bits. However, since the adds then died we were refunded the initial cost of all 3 as well, bringing up to a grand total of 60 ember bits.
In that scenario we end with the same amount of embers that we started with, however we also were able to get off 6 casts that should have cost us embers. Even in scenario where you cast Shadowburn on one add 3 times, you will still get a refund for the cost of at least one of the casts, giving you a 40 ember bit equivalence.
Furthermore, it is for this reason that in ANY fight with more than one target, Sacrifice will ALWAYS be the best talent choice as it boosts the damage of the spells we cast with Havoc. The added benefits of both the CB/SB cleave as well as the mastery heavy build that will then follow (which will increase our aoe power through FnB) makes Sacrifice the vastly superior talent in literally any fight with more than one target.
While Supremacy might technically be the best talent in a Patchwerk style fight, it's irresponsible to proclaim it to be the best in any sort of guide without mentioning this caveat.
Last edited by Xorn; 2012-09-18 at 10:12 PM.
You also need to include a fourth option:
4) Cast an Immolate and 2 Incinerates.
The second immolate can give embers itself if you crit, and you'll get roughly 5*crit chance % embers from the immolate, plus the damage (albeit not much). Chaos Bolt is still the most damage you can do with a Havoc, but if you don't have an ember and you won't have an add to cast a Chaos Bolt on in the next 25 seconds, then you should use the havoc for some Incinerates for the extra ember generation with no cost.
If you don't have an add to cast Chaos Bolt on, then what are you going to be casting incinerate on? Furthermore, seeing as you start with one ember you should never be in a situation like that. If you know that an add will be coming out soon, then don't spend all your embers. It's about playing smart, not just mindlessly dumping all your embers because you can.
the trick with cleaving three Shadowburns onto a second target by means if Havoc is INSANELY AWESOME.
Tried it last night on various DS encounters to amazing effect.
Is Observer still the pet to use in 5.0.5 with the 25% tounge lash nerf?
i think he means lvl90