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    When you start with this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    I wish I could put into words how bad I hate independent voters.
    It's reasonable to assume that this is going to be a lie:

    Quote Originally Posted by Puremallace View Post
    He are some facts if Romney gets elected:
    And it did not disappoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    When you start with this:

    It's reasonable to assume that this is going to be a lie:

    And it did not disappoint.
    What did he lie about? You know what they say about assumptions. Maybe you misunderstood him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    What did he lie about? You know what they say about assumptions. Maybe you misunderstood him?
    The list of "facts" that aren't facts.
    I don't argue to be right, I argue to be proven wrong. Because I'm aware that the collective intelligence of the community likely has more to offer to me by enlightening me, than I do to an individual by "winning" an argument with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    The list of "facts" that aren't facts.
    I figured that much out. I was looking for what you specifically find wrong. Like I said, there might have been a misunderstanding, which would lead to a discussion. What are the facts that counter his assertion?

    Would this be solved if he added that these 'facts' are maters of his opinion? You aren't just arguing semantics of how he used the word fact?
    Last edited by Felya; 2012-10-09 at 06:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    When you start with this:



    It's reasonable to assume that this is going to be a lie:



    And it did not disappoint.
    Did a confused head tilt when I read Puremallace's post.

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    A lot of his predictions are fairly reasonable.

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    I love how our nations hate spreaders (mahr, hannity, rush and the like) have polarized the nation with easily disproved lies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    Did a confused head tilt when I read Puremallace's post.
    He 'fusedmasses' that a lot, but I think he is close to right on at least a couple.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    A lot of his predictions are fairly reasonable.
    That's why I want to see why it's wrong. I think there s good discussion to be had. I just hope it's not just him saying 'fact' instead of 'opinion'. That would be lame...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    I guess I was wrong.

    Is he saying that only the demographics that Obama leads by over 13 points are actually ones he is winning and the rest are result of wrong turn around differential applied?
    Yeah, that's pretty much his argument. I don't agree with that, however. Rasmussen's polls, which exclude cell phone numbers and thus probably undersample Democrat leaning voters, tend to paint a picture of a pretty tight race. The aggregate polls on RCP are probably pretty close to the population dynamics.

    Does this mean Romney has 13% of the African American vote?
    I'm not sure, I haven't really looked at the data. But, African American voters are overwhelmingly Democrat, so I'd be surprised if he had that much.
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    It's about as bad as the people saying that Obama is out to destroy America. It's sensationalistic doomsaying.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    The list of "facts" that aren't facts.
    To be fair he said "facts if", which even from my cursory glance of just waking up means "here's some stuff I think will happen if Romney wins".
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    "Facts if" still means "facts" and not "opinions".

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    Romney just took the lead among likely voters according to gallup poll. Intrade numbers crashed Obama's chance of winning to under 60%.
    Last edited by mmoc43ae88f2b9; 2012-10-09 at 06:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    "Facts if" still means "facts" and not "opinions".
    When that is followed with a list of what are clearly predictions its kind of silly to get hung up on it.

    But going down the list theres:

    1) Iran. This is dependent greatly on future events but its not terribly unreasonable to expect Romney would take us to military action there if the situation arises.
    2) Obamacare gutting. Well yeah.
    3) Stem Cell research has traditionally not done well under the GOP as they try to appease social conservatives with more fervor than reason.
    4) Not sure about this one.
    5) The GOP has been pretty open about their dislike of stuff like Dodd Frank. Romney says repeal and replace but I suspect its going to be "repeal and replace at a date to be determined"
    6) Assuming another war in the middle east gas prices would go up.
    7) Mostly crazy talk, though you can expect increased tension with those countries if we go to war with Iran.
    8) I'll have to read more about his plan.


    But all in all? Not exactly crazy town stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    A lot of his predictions are fairly reasonable.
    Honestly, how can anyone predict ANYTHING Romney will do when he's been on multiple sides of almost every issue? The only thing I'm pretty sure of is that he'll cut the income tax rate for the wealthy, and the Estate tax and Capital Gains taxes if he can. Anything else is a total mystery.

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    I think the safe money is that he'll just play the party line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    I think the safe money is that he'll just play the party line.
    If he does even a quarter of the things his party wants...jeebus.

    He's shifting hard to the middle, people who don't know better will vote for him, and the US could end up with another GWB in terms of economic and foreign policy, but worse on social policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Grokan View Post
    "Facts if" still means "facts" and not "opinions".
    So, it is semantics and not what he actually said. Lame....

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptwonline View Post
    If he does even a quarter of the things his party wants...jeebus.

    He's shifting hard to the middle, people who don't better will vote for him, and the US could end up with another GWB in terms of economic and foreign policy, but worse on social policy.
    Bush foreign policy? Can we have a different world power start a war before we start another one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diurdi View Post


    Romney just took the lead among likely voters according to gallup poll. Intrade numbers crashed Obama's chance of winning to under 60%.
    Just like they predicted Dewey was going to win over Truman?
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    I'm not sure how I'm putting words in his mouth.

    He are some facts if Romney gets elected:
    Implying that what he's saying is factually correct and provable.

    But I'm wrong, so I'll stop.
    Last edited by Grizzly Willy; 2012-10-09 at 10:10 PM.

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