"In life, I was raised to hate the undead. Trained to destroy them. When I became Forsaken, I hated myself most of all. But now I see it is the Alliance that fosters this malice. The human kingdoms shun their former brothers and sisters because we remind them what's lurking beneath the facade of flesh. It's time to end their cycle of hatred. The Alliance deserves to fall." - Lilian Voss
there is a bug in the system, I was on my priest and these boots dropped, with nice int spirit and haste - pretty beast for shadow, So i rolled need, the druid goes bananas and I check it turns out they were leather, I just assumed because I could need them that they were cloth - really weird
There is a bit of an awkward cross over with some spell dps and healer gear because of the spirit = hit mechanic that Priests, Moonkin, Elem Shammies have. There are some who would argue that if an item has spirit on it, then it is ONLY for healers, but I tend to disagree. It works fine for the afore mentioned DPS specs too, so yes a spell dps can roll on spirit gear for this reason.
Unfortunately, the loot system is not sophisticated enough to determine if a cloth dps is a priest or a mage for example, or likewise a Moonkin or a Warlock in the case of neck / trinket / ring items. So yes, there are nasty cross overs which cause arguments but really I think there is no right or wrong from this respect.
Also, it seems there are definite bugs in the system which obviously we will just have to live with until they are sorted. To be honest, people will rage about these bugs and start doing their "AWMAGAWD BLIZZ SORT THIS CRAP OUT NAAAOW I PAY MONEY FOR THIS" but really, Blizzard have bigger problems than a buggy loot system right now. For example, my game crashes in every single raid I do and without reason. Its started happening ever since 5.0.4 and I have even tried with a fresh install of WoW with no addons. Its a bug with the patch and my graphics card and there is nothing I can do. THIS is a real reason to rage. Give things some perspective.
If, I play shadow priest atm, cloth with spirit drops and the healer also wears cloth and it is a good upgrade for me then I would simply first ask if he needs it before I press need. If you ask it like a normal person would then the other person might also have some consideration for you.
I am not going to need on everything I can simply because it will only cause more people to act like assholes. If someone wants to abuse that then so be it. In the end if you just play fair and sometimes skip on some loot everyone will get geared faster than when everyone just needs to vendor or for an offspec.
The excuse of people needing to get gear for their offspec because they have been leveling as tank the whole time is also a joke. You can simply buy some 450 gear for justice points (everyone says JPs are useless anyway).
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Yes and then he killed everyone who was against him. People didn't vote for his genocide and war against the rest of the world. People didn't have a choice he was a dictator.
Get your history straight.
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Same with plate. By some peoples logic I have every right to need on plate, mail and leather while I am a cloth user. That says something.
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See, that is just your opinion. Your personal rule that you can't roll need on items you can't use is the same as someone elses rule that MS > OS.
Me needing on plate would also not be ninjaing according to some people because Blizzards system lets me able to need on it.
They did note a few weeks back that they were looking into putting the LFR personal-loot system into dungeons, or at least DS LFR's smarter loot system with need+ and better class/spec detection.
Long story short, they do agree dungeon looting is messed up, and seem to be looking into some fixes Soon (TM).
Be seeing you guys on Bloodsail Buccaneers NA!
Forgive me if I'm wrong but I think you quite missed my point. Spirit gear for Spriests is considered BEST IN SLOT for dps specs by a lot of players. If you play a Shadow priest, and you roll on spirit gear, you are not rolling for off spec you are rolling for main spec and for BiS gear. Both haste and spirit are really strong stats for shadow priests right now, and if you have a choice between gear with spirit and haste on one piece and crit and mastery on another piece, any good shadow priest will take the spirit gear and quite rightly so.
In Cataclysm there were a great number of items that were best in slot for a Priest even though they were spirit gear. In my opinion, a healer does not always have automatic priority over an item just because it has spirit on it. That's what I'm saying.
Take Tier 13 for example, the best in slot peice for neck item for s shadow priest was the neck from Morchok. It had spirit on it. The next best option was a neck from Tier 12, and that was way behind on stats.
However, under no circumstances should a mage or warlock ever roll for any spirit gear. That is entirely different, given that spirit is useless for mage and warlock.
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I'm a windwalker monk, have never done a heroic as a healer, but my mistweaver off-spec gear is ilvl 459 through greed rolls.
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I've seen it happen personally, a mage needed on a plate helm, I'm assuming it's a bug but it's not a lie.
Shadow priests are excluded because there is actually cloth gear with hit on it (mages and warlocks) so if they choose to be 'nice' and not roll on what they consider to be healer gear then it is a viable option. There is no caster mail/leather with hit anymore so our only gear choice is spirit.
Classes that are remarkably different (boomkin/resto going feral/guardian) are screwed for "run the dungeon in the spec you want loot in" unless you buy a set of pvp gear and then people will cry about you wearing pvp gear.
Everyone needs to stop being selfish assholes and realize that the loot they want that HAS NOT EVEN DROPPED YET is not 'their loot' anymore than it is the loot of the healer rolling on dps gear. You are not entitled to win something the first time it drops, or even the second time.
Quote from: Thallidomaniac on March 28, 2010, 05:56:24 am
Our characters are wearing the same pair of underwear, since like, Level 1. Damn that's unsanitary as hell.
This.
There is a reason why we roll on things in the first place. Pressing the need button is not an assurance that it should be yours. If you get it or not, it's RNG and that's it.
If you don't like it, then queue with guildies only.
Out of curiosity Parkerlynne, would you choose gear with hit/mastery or hit/crit instead of haste/spirit? Either option is viable but if you knew you could do more dps in the spirit gear, would you pass it up?
Quote from: Thallidomaniac on March 28, 2010, 05:56:24 am
Our characters are wearing the same pair of underwear, since like, Level 1. Damn that's unsanitary as hell.
Consider that healers can still cast spells and do damage. It's an integral part of the Monk isn't it?
I also feel bad rolling on spirit gear (and if I get a whisper from a healer who desperately needs the gear i'll pass it on), but then I remember the healers that won gloves of liquid smoke on spine, etc. It works both ways really. No system is perfect.
I used to play a Blood DK in Cata too, don't even get me started on trying to explain why a 2 hander is a tanking weapon....
You tell the healers and tanks that they can't roll for their dps offspecs, and you can watch your dungeon queues pass the 1-hour mark.