1. #10101
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Well, this isn't going how I expected. I'm pleasantly surprised. It's easy to forget that Biden knows his shit.
    You don't get to be a Senator for as long as he was, from his background, without being pretty damn skilled.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    This is how a debate is supposed to be moderated...
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  3. #10103
    Am I really biased or is Biden absolutely mauling him?

  4. #10104
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Am I really biased or is Biden absolutely mauling him?
    I said yesterday, despite being well-spoken, Paul Ryan is boring. Biden is never boring.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    Is this a debate or just two people constantly interrupting each other? Just turned it on.

  6. #10106
    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Am I really biased or is Biden absolutely mauling him?
    I don't think Ryan is doing bad, but Biden is just teeming with confidence. I have no facts in-front of me, but Biden sounds more credible, is more specific, and using more numbers.

  7. #10107
    Quote Originally Posted by Erenax View Post
    Is this a debate or just two people constantly interrupting each other? Just turned it on.
    That's more of a recent development because Ryan realized Biden was walking all over him. Seemed to me like Ryan was trying to be polite while Biden was trying to taken names.

  8. #10108
    Quote Originally Posted by Erenax View Post
    Is this a debate or just two people constantly interrupting each other? Just turned it on.
    I see a lot of interjecting but not anything I'd call particularly rude. Its more constructive than giving both sides 5 minutes to bullshit with no interruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Am I really biased or is Biden absolutely mauling him?
    You said more or less the same thing during the Romney/Obama debate. Then again, I'm not watching this one, so you may be right this time.
    I don't argue to be right, I argue to be proven wrong. Because I'm aware that the collective intelligence of the community likely has more to offer to me by enlightening me, than I do to an individual by "winning" an argument with them.
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    Biden is definitely entertaining. From the last 5-10 minutes since I've turned it on I'd say he's winning.

  11. #10111
    I really don't think Ryan wanted this to be as much about the GOP's behavior in Congress as Biden is making it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spectral View Post
    Am I really biased or is Biden absolutely mauling him?
    Yeah, Biden is crushing Ryan. Can't wait for this to hit the Republican blogosphere. The Paul "Intellectual Heart of the GOP" Ryan annihilated by Joe "Foot It's What's for Dinner" Biden. Of course, the people who thought Biden wouldn't do well forgot that he's an expert debater while Ryan is completely inexperienced.
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  13. #10113
    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    You said more or less the same thing during the Romney/Obama debate. Then again, I'm not watching this one, so you may be right this time.
    Ryan is getting trampled. That's my opinion. I know I'm biased. But I think I have some sense about these things.

    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

  14. #10114
    "there aren't enough rich people and small businesses to tax"

    Yeah better cut PBS.

  15. #10115
    Quote Originally Posted by KingHorse View Post
    You said more or less the same thing during the Romney/Obama debate. Then again, I'm not watching this one, so you may be right this time.
    Yes, I did. I still think Obama beat him handily on the facts. The thing is, these aren't measured objectively. As the debate wound down and I realized how it looked to low information voters, I acknowledged that Romney had probably "won", thanks to lying his ass off. I'm evaluating Biden by the standard of the electorate (or at least trying to).

  16. #10116
    Did I hear this wrong or was Ryan's logic just "Because taxing the top income bracket more won't fix the economy by itself, let's just not tax them more." Please tell me I heard that wrong

  17. #10117
    "Do you have the specifics on how that 20% will be financed?"

    -- Ryan goes off on a tangent

  18. #10118
    Quote Originally Posted by Butler Log View Post
    "Do you have the specifics on how that 20% will be financed?"

    -- Ryan goes off on a tangent
    "Specifically, guys... let's get along in Congress"

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    Ryan's too stuck on "here's the maths" imo. Not enough charisma to pull it off without sounding nerdy.

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    Paul Ryan asked for specifics about tax plan, still doesn't have any.

    Wasn't he expecting this question?
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