Will the GOP admit and then adapt to their loss?

[titan972]

Not until recently, unfortunately.

I wonder what the next demand will be.

Sex-changes apparently are standard now too...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=93...1#.UKA00ob4LvM

[sulfuric]

LOL spoken like a true Democrat. If you seriously think that all republicans want to control women and and their bodies then you sir are out of touch. As far as the banks go. Both parties can share the blame for that one.

Really? Because there are over 40 republican senators who are pushing legislation against it and have subscribed to an outlaw on abortion in all scenarios as their platform. I mean that's just 40 though right?

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But you're suggesting that an unborn child has no rights...how about you respect those?

An unborn child does not have any rights. A living mother carrying them does, respect them.

[dantian]

No sir.

A completely loaded, disingenuous video.

I'm not saying that to be partisan, I think the same of Michael Moore. If you have the power to edit away bits and pieces of answers, or simply ignore good answers to your loaded questions you can make anyone look stupid. Give me a camera and an hour with either the Tea Party or OWS and I could make them both look like morons. That proves nothing and posting videos like that as though it makes a resounding point just shows you haven't got any intellectual integrity.

[Riidii]

Because it's positively ignorant. You know as well as I do that many people don't have the luxury of simply saying, "well fuck it, I'll find another job then". I do, but I recognize that many others don't, and aren't in a position to do anything about this. Instead, they're denied basic healthcare because their employer isn't keen on it.

Every single person in the United States has the luxury of saying "well fuck it, i'll find another job."

No business is required to provide "abortion drugs". They're providing health insurance, which pays for birth control.

By the way, birth control isn't an abortion drug, you might want to try honesty out some time.

A = B = C
A = C

[titan972]

If the GOP members in this thread can't even realize that they've lost their war on birth control and that most people do consider it to be basic healthcare, then I'd have to tell the OP, "No, the party simply doesn't get it and isn't likely to in the next couple years".

I'm not fighting a war against birth control - in fact I'd want my spouse to be on it for a few years after marriage at least. What I'm fighting against is the idea that its my patriotic duty to pay for it through taxes...especially when its already free.

One day the Republicans are going to be back in power, then you'll be the one on this side saying "the government has no right to force me to pay for X, Y and Z blah blah blah"...and you'd be right.

[Masark]

Birth control has never been considered a standard healthcare service...

Uh huh. Care to explain why various forms of contraceptives are on the WHO essential medicines list if they shouldn't be "considered a standard healthcare service?

[Riidii]

so, you 2, how do you guys feel about viagra being covered?

100% disagree.

Under the same logic.

[titan972]

Really? Because there are over 40 republican senators who are pushing legislation against it and have subscribed to an outlaw on abortion in all scenarios as their platform. I mean that's just 40 though right?

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An unborn child does not have any rights. A living mother carrying them does, respect them.

If you can deny rights to an unborn child you can deny them to anyone...one day someone may choose to deny yours and I think you'll suddenly see things very differently. Frankly your position is just offensive...

[sulfuric]

I'm not fighting a war against birth control - in fact I'd want my spouse to be on it for a few years after marriage at least. What I'm fighting against is the idea that its my patriotic duty to pay for it through taxes...especially when its already free.

One day the Republicans are going to be back in power, then you'll be the one on this side saying "the government has no right to force me to pay for X, Y and Z blah blah blah"...and you'd be right.

Why do you continue to say birth control is free? What makes you think that? Because someone has a mug filled with condoms at the edge of their desk somewhere with a help yourself sign? You do know there are many more forms of birth control with many more benefits than just wearing a condom. For women, controlling their reproductive system is simply a quality of life increase.

[smelltheglove]

100% disagree.

Under the same logic.

i will give you points for consistency then

[sulfuric]

If you can deny rights to an unborn child you can deny to anyone...one day someone may choose to deny yours and I think you'll suddenly see things very differently. Frankly your position is just offensive...

You cannot deny rights to a non entity. You'd be infringing on the rights of a mother on the assumption that the "rights" of the potential life within her body supercedes her own. Frankly your position is just unrealistic.

[Spectral]

Why do you continue to say birth control is free?

It's called willful ignorance.

[titan972]

A completely loaded, disingenuous video.

I'm not saying that to be partisan, I think the same of Michael Moore. If you have the power to edit away bits and pieces of answers, or simply ignore good answers to your loaded questions you can make anyone look stupid. Give me a camera and an hour with either the Tea Party or OWS and I could make them both look like morons. That proves nothing and posting videos like that as though it makes a resounding point just shows you haven't got any intellectual integrity.

Actually it just shows the utter hypocrisy that democrats thrive on...they demand that people conform to their worldview and punish all those who don't. I'm not opposing them because I want to take America back to the 1800's...I'm opposing them because I know there's a better way forward...namely one that doesn't involve destroying personal liberty and economic freedom.

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You cannot deny rights to a non entity. You'd be infringing on the rights of a mother on the assumption that the "rights" of the potential life within her body supercedes her own. Frankly your position is just unrealistic.

Its not a 'potential life' - it already 'is.' The core of American liberty is based on the idea that everyone is allowed as much freedom as they want so long as that freedom doesn't infringe upon anothers. In this case it does - the mother chooses to deny the same basic right to life which see enjoys. That is murder by every possible definition.

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It's called willful ignorance.

It is free - provided by dozens of organizations (private and public) like planned parenthood and the red cross.

[ringpriest]

Every single person in the United States has the luxury of saying "well fuck it, i'll find another job."

Only they don't. When your health care is tied to your job and you need your healthcare because you're a transplant recipient, your spouse depends on prescription medication to stay health, you have a child with an illness, or any one of a thousand other conditions, then no you can't just walk away and look for something different. In many cases you can't even stay and look for something different - for a many companies, looking for another job is a firing offense.

[sulfuric]

Its not a 'potential life' - it already 'is.' The core of American liberty is based on the idea that everyone is allowed as much freedom as they want so long as that freedom doesn't infringe upon anothers. In this case it does - the mother chooses to deny the same basic right to life which see enjoys. That is murder by every possible definition.

This is a thread about ridiculous political positions of the republican party and while I appreciate you coming here and demonstrating them, I'm not going to waste another second on this utter nonsense. Please do not derail my thread further with this drivel.

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Only they don't. When your health care is tied to your job and you need your healthcare because you're a transplant recipient, your spouse depends on prescription medication to stay health, you have a child with an illness, or any one of a thousand other conditions, then no you can't just walk away and look for something different. In many cases you can't even stay and look for something different - for a many companies, looking for another job is a firing offense.

Not to mention there is a lapse between jobs where you will lose the healthcare provided by your former employer when you leave, and then have to work anywhere between 3-6 months at the new job for you to even be offered new health insurance.

[dantian]

Actually it just shows the utter hypocrisy that democrats thrive on

No. It shows that when you ask a hundred people a question you can edit a video such that two of them reply in a moronic way. Most democrats (like me) would -NOT- support banning soft drinks or trans fats (though trans fats should be labelled so at least you have the choice)

they demand that people conform to their worldview and punish all those who don't.

They have views and legislate according to those views. Like every other party in existence.

I'm not opposing them because I want to take America back to the 1800's

More like the 1920s. I'd prefer the 1950s fiscal policy, myself.

...I'm opposing them because I know there's a better way forward...namely one that doesn't involve destroying personal liberty

Republicans are not even close to the party of 'personal liberty'.

and economic freedom

Tax breaks for the wealthiest does not equal "economic freedom". We tried that under Bush, it left us in a recession. Look up the tax rates on the richest people in the 50s, 60s, and early 70s. No, stop typing furiously and go look, you'll be surprised.

Its not a 'potential life' - it already 'is.'

Most people would disagree with that. I'm not one of those people. Would you concede that exceptions must be made in extreme circumstances such as rape, incest, and the life of the mother?

[titan972]

Only they don't. When your health care is tied to your job and you need your healthcare because you're a transplant recipient, your spouse depends on prescription medication to stay health, you have a child with an illness, or any one of a thousand other conditions, then no you can't just walk away and look for something different. In many cases you can't even stay and look for something different - for a many companies, looking for another job is a firing offense.

The point is that businesses should be allowed to run their organizations as they see fit...free from interference by the government. I get why we have minimum wage laws...I don't understand why its necessary for a private entity to fund birth control. If businesses make bad decisions then they just fail...so how about you let them fight it out and see who the victor is. Competition is a good thing...if its a good idea and people like it then they'll do it...if they have an objection to it then let them feel the consequences. Them choosing not to provide birth control isn't hurting anybody...if a woman wants it she can get it like she always has.

[Obamatheone]

If you can deny rights to an unborn child you can deny them to anyone...one day someone may choose to deny yours and I think you'll suddenly see things very differently. Frankly your position is just offensive...

That is one hell of a slippery slope fallacy right there.
From abortion to killing people on the street

Its almost deserves an award.

[dantian]

The point is that businesses should be allowed to run their organizations as they see fit...free from interference by the government.

That kind of attitude leads to company stores and child labor. Disgusting.

[titan972]

This is a thread about ridiculous political positions of the republican party and while I appreciate you coming here and demonstrating them, I'm not going to waste another second on this utter nonsense. Please do not derail my thread further with this drivel.

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Not to mention there is a lapse between jobs where you will lose the healthcare provided by your former employer when you leave, and then have to work anywhere between 3-6 months at the new job for you to even be offered new health insurance.

Your entire thread...and apparently your entire worldview is drivel. Its based on utter nonsense, willfull ignorance, irrational hatred, and a lifetime of being lied to. That kind of trash deserves to be challenged.