I don't think it's needed. There's already a gating system in place that requires people to be geared to 460, which requires heroics or crafting such gear. LFR is and should be THAT easy. Let the organized raiding be the difficult place.
I don't think it's needed. There's already a gating system in place that requires people to be geared to 460, which requires heroics or crafting such gear. LFR is and should be THAT easy. Let the organized raiding be the difficult place.
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So you earnestly think that everyone should form a group manually (something which is a complete opposite of LFR) and do several challenge mode dungeons to go get an access to a somewhat unrelated content called LFR? Not gonna happen. Best case you can have is to do something in a pick-up group via LFD or a similar tool.You realize you can go into challenge modes with 450ish gear and complete it on bronze just fine? I think what it comes down to is people being afraid of having to do something to enter LFR. Its a simple epic quest chain that would get you out in the world doing different things than what you are used to.
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Unlocking LFR shouldn't be harder than LFR.
As far as Blizzard has defined their stance on LFR, it currently is a legitimate way for people who can't raid to see the content and, after altering their stance, a way to get gear for those people and supplement it for raiders. Additionally, they have defined challenge modes as something for much more skilled and hardcore players to do with their time. Why in the world would they mesh LFR, the casual's raiding alternative, with challenge modes, the hardcore player's test of skill.
Not only that, but why would accessing LFR be harder than accessing normals? We have normal Moshu'gan pugs on my server. I've never been in one, but my friend has, and he actually cleared the first three bosses relatively easily. Not sure that he beat Elegon with a pug, but that does seem a bit unlikely. In order for them to create an attunement system to access LFR, they would have to make accessing normal modes harder or also include an attunement system for them.
As far as Blizzard is concerned, the attunement for LFR is getting an average ilvl of 460, i.e. you pretty much need full heroic 463 gear or close to it to get into LFR. There aren't that many other epics available for non-raiders, which means you already have to run a good plenty heroics to get into LFR. Just pretend that there is an attunement quest in those heroics.
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OK but then to be fair make a similar quest chain where you need to get gold in every challenge mode before you're allowed to do normal raids. Entering normal raids is so easy and boring. You don't have an ilvl requirement or anything else so make it interesting with an epic questline so that raiders have to work for the privilege of doing normal and later on heroic raids. Oh and make heroic raids scale your ilvl down (not up) to what drops in normal mode so that it stays a challenge and let it only drop transmog gear (same look, just other color).
LFR is designed to be entry level raiding. You have a very high ilvl requirement so that it's very easy and drops good gear so that you have it a little bit easier in normal raids. All you want is to make raiding in itself more exclusive than it is today so that you can fell like a special snowflake.
Normally my guild queues up with 10 to 20 ppl to do LFR on an off raid night and we got 4 or 5 2/3 group queues that needed that many. Finally we got a fresh run. Then we went in and stomped the boss but having that many ppl working as a group is something you never have in a truly random LFR. I do wonder how bad things are for ppl that wait until the weekend or even worse Monday night to do that place.
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So a big time sink requirement that isn't needed, great solution. Go run every dungeon until you do it in a fast enough time in a 5 man setting that has nothing to do with a 10 or 25 man raid, brilliant! I know this was just a retort to a silly idea that LFR should require some sort of stupid ass attunement. It is fascinating how much the collective of WoW players get caught up in what strangers they will never see or run into are doing. I wonder if foodies flip out over what dinner some strangers in Novia Scotia are eating. Maybe some musicians are flipping out over the Justin Bieber song some 12 year old I Miami is listening to.
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Why casuals - which is the main target audience for LFR - would do CHALLENGE mode dungeons - which targets hardcore players - to get access to LFR? Personnally, I would not even consider doing it. But I would not disagree to a more conventional quest chain. I could see something similar to the Thrall quest chain we got in 4.2.
..You have to be a certain iLevel to unlock it as is.
How does this even make sense?
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LFR is a place where Heroic raiders go to complain about how terrible everybody else is. Sadly, they are Forced into LFR by International law. They are also unable to form their own groups and run LFR with known good players, they are again FORCED into LFR with at least 17 other "mouth breathers" To cater to this, Blizzard needs to make the requirements for running LFR equal to running Heroic raids. There should be written exams, UI reviews and 16 random in game test, administered by partial judges who don't want you there.
Heroic raiders shouldn't be FORCED to suffer with those disgusting casual players. Blizzard needs to do something to weed out the casual players from the Heroic Raiders' raids! Blizzard needs to come up with a new raid, that doesn't award anything, not even an achievement, only has 1 boss. Basically, they need to make LFR spawn you at a location with a giant training dummy that never dies. WHATEVER it takes to keep those casuals out of their raids!