Mind sharing a source?
*Edit*:
After doing some searches of my own, I've come upon some very mixed reports regarding the incident you've mentioned.
Some reports say the boy was shot in the head by a helicopter, others that he was shot in the side by a tank or a jeep, and that he died in the hospital. Finally, I've seen one report (which seems the most likely, considering my knowledge of how this conflict works) that he was killed after some members of the Popular Resistance Committees opened fire on an IDF patrol.
Note that not a single report can in fact validate who it was that killed him.
Now, I'd like to state that I am indeed sorry he died. I'd also like to say that these types of clashes are very much a part of the status quo, sad as it may be. Firing rockets on Jerusalem, however, is not. In fact, it's probably the biggest violation of the status quo that could have happened. Jerusalem, the city that's said to be the holiest place to all three Abrahamic religions, was attacked by a rocket strike.
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There is a certain skewedness here, a definite tinge of "David and Goliath". I would like to point out that Israel was formed on land where people already lived, and had lived for a long time, without them getting any say in it. This theft of land has many sad paralells in history though, as does the illegal occupation of palestinian areas and the wall built (a wall that frequently separate people from their fields as well as vital services such as medical services). Let that lie though, and let us look at the current facts:
*Hamas and/or groups that may / may not be controlled or controllable by them are shooting missiles towards Israel. Civillians are frequently injured or killed.
*Israel is bombing Gaza, civillians are frequently killed.
Seems to me neither side wants peace, and the civillians are the ones that suffer (in pure numbers, more palestinians than israelians, but suffering is not measured in numbers alone). So long as neither side shows any desire for peace, my sympathy goes out to the civillians, and I condemn the action of both the Israeli government and the groups that fire missiles from Gaza. Both of them are acting in a inhumane and foul way.
well when u get kick out of ur own house by a "country" with the help of the Big Boss USA (yeah thats a fair fight) u kind of get a little pissed of... and u talk about killing childrens? yeah cuz isreal havent kill any palestinian kid at all... the isreal ppl are so nice, we should give them a private heaven only for them
You know your approach to this whole conflict is exactly the reason why its a conflict, you don't care about 'pre-legal' systems which in fact were definately legal systems, yet you just chose to deny it because they don't fit in your reality, yet those are facts that happened.
You assume because something is historical beyond your knowledge that it's pre-legal, hate to burst your bubble but you're so wrong again.
Probably out of the same perspective you may even deny the happening of the holocaust.
And you fail to understand the difference between a zionist, a jew and a palestinian jew, which i hinted you before, but you chose to not look it up and neglect it. Which is fine, but it doensnt add to your credibility and makes people not take you serious.
The fact you define Palestinians merely as Arabs is your first fault. And try to look up who lived in the area before Palestine was actually Palestine, and im not referring to the Britisch Mandate Palestine..
Although i can imagine that this is your referencepoint, as this is the only referencepoint in history that would make the point of the current Palestinians valid, yet it's the wrong reference point as this isnt the point the conflict started.
But then again it totally fits in your way of neglecting parts of history that don't fit in your history.
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Update:
More rockets have been fired at Tel Aviv, but were intercepted by the newly stationed Iron Dome battery.
Situation gets more dire everyday. I wonder when USA will realize israel is massacrating those folks and will stop suporting it. Of course it depends on USA citizens saying STOP to their leaders suporting israel. Why should USA fight a war from a country that thinks thats above all others in the region?
English is not my main language so grammar errors might happen.
Allow me to correct you -
1) Israel isn't "massacring" anyone. The IDF is using surgical strikes against terror cells in the Gaza Strip (you know, the ones who are launching rockets vaguely directed into cities in the hope of killing as many Israelis as possible). The only reason there have been civilian casualties among the Gazan population, is that these terror cells choose to operate within heavily populated areas (in the hope that Israel will kill as many civilians as well, so that they can then be called "massacring" by people like you).
2) The US has absolutely no involvement in Operation Pillar of Cloud, and Israel is not the US's lapdog / puppet / whateverthefuckyouwanttocallit.
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Hahaha Hell hath no fury like a Bat-Yamian scorned :P
Alright. Find me some evidence that zionists owned the land and not Palestinians then?
Lulz. I know what the diaspora is, that should be enough to make this sidebar argument unneeded.You assume because something is historical beyond your knowledge that it's pre-legal, hate to burst your bubble but you're so wrong again.
Probably out of the same perspective you may even deny the happening of the holocaust.
I know what the difference is. Tell me why it even matters.And you fail to understand the difference between a zionist, a jew and a palestinian jew, which i hinted you before, but you chose to not look it up and neglect it. Which is fine, but it doensnt add to your credibility and makes people not take you serious.
You mean the Palestinian Arabs in the Ottoman Empire?The fact you define Palestinians merely as Arabs is your first fault. And try to look up who lived in the area before Palestine was actually Palestine, and im not referring to the Britisch Mandate Palestine..
What the hell are you talking about? The only valid part of history here is who owned the land before the UN divided it up and screwed over the Palestinians to give disproportionate land to the new Israeli state. Who lived there two hundred years ago is irrelevent. The Palestinians had their lands and homes seized and were forcibly evicted, often at gunpoint.Although i can imagine that this is your referencepoint, as this is the only referencepoint in history that would make the point of the current Palestinians valid
I clearly know a lot more than you?But then again it totally fits in your way of neglecting parts of history that don't fit in your history.
In fact as far as I'm aware the UK is the only european nation that outright bans guns for civilians.This is why people ban guns. Gun supporters don't know what guns are.Shotguns I'll give you (provided you're allowed 12 and larger gauges... because I mean... come on...) but not .22s.
its funny how Israel threatened for more than a year that they will attack iran, and then they attack gaza,
and its funny how the Syrian and the Iranian government threatened to attack Israel and the they attack their own people .
" In a Society like this table, a state of equilibrium, once one makes the first move, everyone must follow! In every era, this World has been operating by this napkin principle. And the one who ‘takes the napkin first’ must be someone who is respected by all. It’s not that anyone can fulfill this role… Those that are despotic or unworthy will be scorned. And those are the ‘losers"
As a Jew who comes from Israel and now lives in the USA, I kinda wish the rest of my people would leave that god forsaken place and move over here. Much more peaceful and the summers don't make you want to kill yourself. I keep telling my relatives this but they refuse to leave their holy land. Sigh.
Frankly, the best thing about Israel is the shawarma.
BTW, Israel does not listen to the USA. Fuck, Obama and Netanyahu hate one another. I also hate the fact that Israel's government is something like 8 parties. It makes getting anything done even harder than it is in the USA.
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HAMAS should get it even harder.
P.S.
Using the "poor Palestine and monstrous Israel theme" is old.