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    The British foreign affairs minister has said that If Israel invades Gaza then it will lose its international support.

    This is a good thing IMO, as the international community has supported apartheid Israel for far too long.

    Maybe sanctions should be put in place, like in South Africa in the apartheid era, I guess banning Israel from international sporting events would be a waste of time though, seeing as Israel is awful at pretty much every sport.

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    This is such a hard topic for me, because if Mexicans were lobbing rockets over the border into San Antonio, and the Mexicans weren't able or willing to stop them, you better believe I'd support the US military going in there to take out the people firing the rockets. On the other hand, I have family that has family living in Gaza currently under the constant buzzing of the drones and dealing with bombings all around them. I understand that Israel needed to occupy territory and build checkpoints in response to suicide bombings, but at the same time, I think the land grabbing of Israel has been horrible.

    It's such a messy conflict and there are no clean cut good guys and bad guys. All I know is that relatively innocent people on both sides are dying, but that far more Gazans are dying than Israelis.
    I have been reading this thread for a while (well, trying to).
    I am Israeli.
    I live 10 km away from your remote family members.
    There was a lot of hatred on this thread, a lot of unbased opinion and some things that really bothered me (like Holocaust refrences, my family died there), and I always wanted to comment but said, meh- to sign on for that? If the guy actually thinks that, nothing you can say can change his mind and I'll just come out frustrated, and that is not healthy.
    Your post really touched me, it was honest and true.
    I wish your family well, I hate to see civilians caught in the crossfire, and I truly hope for peace, for everyone's sake.

    So, thank you, I guess.
    This, for a change, was worth commenting to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeDayKeen View Post
    I have been reading this thread for a while (well, trying to).
    I am Israeli.
    I live 10 km away from your remote family members.
    There was a lot of hatred on this thread, a lot of unbased opinion and some things that really bothered me (like Holocaust refrences, my family died there), and I always wanted to comment but said, meh- to sign on for that? If the guy actually thinks that, nothing you can say can change his mind and I'll just come out frustrated, and that is not healthy.
    Your post really touched me, it was honest and true.
    I wish your family well, I hate to see civilians caught in the crossfire, and I truly hope for peace, for everyone's sake.

    So, thank you, I guess.
    This, for a change, was worth commenting to.
    Thanks, I appreciate that.
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  4. #1004
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    people long dead? the founders of israel you mean? the ones ive quoted stating that they stole arab lands, that they would follow a policy of ethnic cleansing? the ones whos own statements from the time flatly contradict what your saying? I know you dont deal in facts too well and dont see history post biblical times as relevant but come on Liara. weak argument really.

    for real irony check out The Balfour Declaration to Baron Rothchild, 2nd of November, 1917
    Times change. Shocking, I know.
    And you've yet to put a single quote into real context.

    Then again, I know how much people love to blindly attack Israel, without actually regarding facts (like how you completely disregarded the massive amount of aid that Israel gives to Gaza, despite being at a fucking war with the rulers of it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    Times change. Shocking, I know.
    And you've yet to put a single quote into real context.

    Then again, I know how much people love to blindly attack Israel, without actually regarding facts (like how you completely disregarded the massive amount of aid that Israel gives to Gaza, despite being at a fucking war with the rulers of it).

    I didn't know that setting up a naval blockade to prevent other countries from giving relief is considered "aid" in Israel..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    Golda Meir, Israel's PM during the Yom Kippur War (another war of aggression by neighboring countries), once said:
    Guess they still believe that sacrificing their children is a good idea.
    Guys you should stop quoting public figures all together.
    One can find a vast amount of horrible quotes on both sides of the aisle.
    Golda Meir for example has some very wonderful quotes. yet at same time she also said very nasty evil things....
    And I am sure, that can be said for people on either side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    Times change. Shocking, I know.
    And you've yet to put a single quote into real context.

    Then again, I know how much people love to blindly attack Israel, without actually regarding facts (like how you completely disregarded the massive amount of aid that Israel gives to Gaza, despite being at a fucking war with the rulers of it).
    Exactly. It's amazing how much of reality people who attack Israel ignore, instead siding with propaganda and terrorists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The North Remembers View Post
    I didn't know that setting up a naval blockade to prevent other countries from giving relief is considered "aid" in Israel..
    Once again, ignoring facts in favor of propaganda. There is no "blockade". Israel simply wants to ensure that weapons don't come into the area, and merely want to inspect incoming ships, the same as any other country is allowed to do. Those same "aid" ships, refuse to be inspected, so they can get cheap media time for their "cause".

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    Quote Originally Posted by cubby View Post
    Exactly. It's amazing how much of reality people who attack Israel ignore, instead siding with propaganda and terrorists.
    In this thread I don't see that happen just because of ignorance..
    Take away the two extremes of people who live in the zone and won't move but a tad from their side of the picture, it will leave all others..
    And I am under the impression that everyone is not siding with propaganda, let alone terrorists. We are rather siding with the people. The civilians on both sides who suffer from the situation. And it is absolutely justified to therefore criticize both governments. No side is spared here in that regard.
    Both sides are at fault. Both sides are responsible for the population to suffer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The North Remembers View Post
    The British foreign affairs minister has said that If Israel invades Gaza then it will lose its international support.

    This is a good thing IMO, as the international community has supported apartheid Israel for far too long.

    Maybe sanctions should be put in place, like in South Africa in the apartheid era, I guess banning Israel from international sporting events would be a waste of time though, seeing as Israel is awful at pretty much every sport.
    As long as Israel has the US support, everyone else can drop support and it won't make a difference to them.

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    http://imgur.com/gallery/8elym

    Found that image to be rather evocative. An iron dome missile moving to intercept an incoming rocket.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The North Remembers View Post
    I didn't know that setting up a naval blockade to prevent other countries from giving relief is considered "aid" in Israel..
    A blockade to ensure that smuggling of armaments into Gaza won't happen. A blockade that was deemed legal by international law.

    And again, instead of addressing the aid Israel itself is giving, you choose to try and attack something else entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    Guys you should stop quoting public figures all together.
    One can find a vast amount of horrible quotes on both sides of the aisle.
    Golda Meir for example has some very wonderful quotes. yet at same time she also said very nasty evil things....
    And I am sure, that can be said for people on either side
    I agree, that's why I keep telling soulcrusher that his little quotes are pointless; I was simply playing his little game to show him how pointless it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Liara View Post
    A blockade to ensure that smuggling of armaments into Gaza won't happen. A blockade that was deemed legal by international law.

    And again, instead of addressing the aid Israel itself is giving, you choose to try and attack something else entirely.

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    I agree, that's why I keep telling soulcrusher that his little quotes are pointless; I was simply playing his little game to show him how pointless it is.
    You know by now I question everything rather twice. But even I thought that the blockade is justified to prevent weapon smuggling.
    And I don't think Israel wouldn't let UN shipments, or Red Cross reach the Gaza shores.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wildtree View Post
    You know by now I question everything rather twice. But even I thought that the blockade is justified to prevent weapon smuggling.
    And I don't think Israel wouldn't let UN shipments, or Red Cross reach the Gaza shores.
    As long as they subject themselves to proper inspections (much like any ship), I have no doubt that we would allow them passage. Or at the very least, transfer the goods ourselves.

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    Gogo Israel! Glad to see a country willing to fight! Hopefully this will lead to some kind of war against Islam. In the end, perhaps we will get rid of such stupid things as religion.

    Infracted.
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    If this WASN'T your first expansion to an MMO, please wait patiently while I look for nice and sturdy palm tree to ram your face against.

  15. #1015
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    This is such a hard topic for me, because if Mexicans were lobbing rockets over the border into San Antonio, and the Mexicans weren't able or willing to stop them, you better believe I'd support the US military going in there to take out the people firing the rockets. On the other hand, I have family that has family living in Gaza currently under the constant buzzing of the drones and dealing with bombings all around them. I understand that Israel needed to occupy territory and build checkpoints in response to suicide bombings, but at the same time, I think the land grabbing of Israel has been horrible.

    It's such a messy conflict and there are no clean cut good guys and bad guys. All I know is that relatively innocent people on both sides are dying, but that far more Gazans are dying than Israelis.
    outstanding post imo. i dont have any family over there to feel for them, i dont really think anybody should have to in order to feel empathy for them. but the world constantly disappoints. a really ugly example of how the few can royally fuck over the many (talking both sides here, imo neither can claim the high road with a straight face at this point)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emokisse View Post
    Gogo Israel! Glad to see a country willing to fight! Hopefully this will lead to some kind of war against Islam. In the end, perhaps we will get rid of such stupid things as religion.
    Oh great....
    Congrats on the stupidest posting so far in 52 pages..
    War against Islam..... unbelievable.. you want to start a religious war, which would likely be another world war, to end religion? How idiotic can it be?
    Educate yourself about the sheer number balance.... Islam etc/Christianity
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    Quote Originally Posted by Emokisse View Post
    Gogo Israel! Glad to see a country willing to fight! Hopefully this will lead to some kind of war against Islam. In the end, perhaps we will get rid of such stupid things as religion.
    really? just... damn. mind amending that to a war against religious zealotry instead of singling out islam?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Emokisse View Post
    Gogo Israel! Glad to see a country willing to fight! Hopefully this will lead to some kind of war against Islam. In the end, perhaps we will get rid of such stupid things as religion.
    Israel is a religious country too bro.

  19. #1019
    Quote Originally Posted by Reeve View Post
    It's such a messy conflict and there are no clean cut good guys and bad guys. All I know is that relatively innocent people on both sides are dying, but that far more Gazans are dying than Israelis.
    Yeah agree with this, there are absolute fanatics on both sides. What I think is unacceptable though is that there are people that want to put the sole responsibility on the palestinian people, when there are israelis that are just fucking batshit crazy as well.

    Thinking this is a onesided conflict with one good guy(often supposed to be Israel) and one bad side is just out of order. You got Israelis that settle down on palestinian soil, and eventhough IDF have forcefully removed some of them at times they just go straight back in there, setting up new houses/small communities.

    Another thing I really hate is that if you critize Israel or Israeli policy there are people that are fast as hell to accuse you of being an anti semite. Such a perfect way to destroy any middle ground that there is.
    The nerve is called the "nerve of awareness". You cant dissect it. Its a current that runs up the center of your spine. I dont know if any of you have sat down, crossed your legs, smoked DMT, and watch what happens... but what happens to me is this big thing goes RRRRRRRRRAAAAAWWW! up my spine and flashes in my brain... well apparently thats whats going to happen if I do this stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wells View Post
    Israel is a religious country too bro.
    Sadly so. But thankfully it's not a theocracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jackmoves View Post
    Another thing I really hate is that if you critize Israel or Israeli policy there are people that are fast as hell to accuse you of being an anti semite. Such a perfect way to destroy any middle ground that there is.
    Hate that as well. It's such a bullshit retort.

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