[MoP] Protection Paladin Guide

[Elathi]

you won't notice a balls of a difference in your survivability (neither will your healers)

Slight issue being that this logic works against you, too. The trinket popped by itself makes pretty close to no difference whatsoever (even when popped at three or more holy power).

You might mitigate more by stacking CD's that bounce off each other but then you create damage spikes due to leading periods of extremely low damage into periods of extremely high ones.

It's merely a mastery activated trinket. Its slight misuse isn't going to suddenly turn you down the path of heavy spiking.

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It's merely a mastery activated trinket. Its slight misuse isn't going to suddenly turn you down the path of heavy spiking.

Do you understand the concept of optimal a.k.a. the best way / everything matters? You're telling us it is optimal to blow both of them on cooldown, which makes very little sense for the reasons Choice listed above.

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Do you understand the concept of optimal a.k.a. the best way / everything matters? You're telling us it is optimal to blow both of them on cooldown, which makes very little sense for the reasons Choice listed above.

In a fight where the damage intake is 100% consistent, blowing them both on cooldown and together actually reduces more damage.
Naturally blowing HA on cooldown is moronic on 95% of fights.

I still feel like though the paladins cooldown arsenal is so strong right now. There are not many fighs where you resort to "oh my god I need a trinket cooldown". Feels like you always got some other cooldown to cover when you need it.

@Choice it is hillarious to see that you never realise that most players are not 25 man raiders, aswell as most players are not in the top100 guilds pushing heroic modes. The gearing + cooldown usage varies alot from 25 to 10 and from end game heroic modes to early heroic modes / normal modes.

Basically your calling an orange wrong for being orange instead of yellow like you bananas

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And that's why we've talked about damage smoothening, and it being fine, although not optimal, to macro trinkets to other abilities.

If people really want to, I can make a graph to demonstrate my point but I doubt it'll be needed.

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Macroing things to other things is never optimal as there are always exceptions to a rule where you want to use things together. At some point you will want to use some spells seperately no matter what they are for some special fight mechanic.

And all brings back do the question, how do you define optimal? Is optimal max tdr, damage smoothening or on-demand damage reduction. And that is all dependant on fight, raid size and your raid group.

Chaining HA+mastery trinket will cause max damage smoothening. Using them together will cause max TDR and max on-demand damage reduction.

Both can be better in different situations.

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my 2c: macroing a cd with another ability is never a good idea - you have just lost control of one of your defensive cds which could be much better used to (hopefully) prevent a death event. Tanking is (nowadays) all about controlling your damage intake.

If you habitually forget to use a cd during fights then all i can suggest is practise more and play better.

[Kanadei]

my 2c: macroing a cd with another ability is never a good idea - you have just lost control of one of your defensive cds which could be much better used to (hopefully) prevent a death event. Tanking is (nowadays) all about controlling your damage intake.

If you habitually forget to use a cd during fights then all i can suggest is practise more and play better.

Not to be pedantic but it seems like the odds on a mastery on use trinket preventing your death would be astronomical.

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Not to be pedantic but it seems like the odds on a mastery on use trinket preventing your death would be astronomical.

Pedant! General principle though.

[Elathi]

HA itself smoothens damage intake so much that few percent won't do anything there.

Do you understand the concept of optimal a.k.a. the best way / everything matters?

Could use some consistency.

And Choice's post somewhat failed to make much in the way of a point. It was over the top hyperbole, such as what I quoted of it.

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Macroing things together is a good idea if it's a dodge/mastery/parry/strength trinket. I've always done it, macro'd it with a minor cooldown to make it more effective.
For example, Lifeblood/Darkmasters with Holy Avenger is perfect. Hard hitting and more SOTR uptime.

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Could use some consistency.

What? If you bothered to think for a split second you'd realize I was talking about the same thing there. Seems like I'll have to make the graph after all...

[Malthanis]

Let's keep it civil, friends. No need to bring condescension in to it.

[MerinPally]

8 days til I can play again D: Is painful sitting here having to imagine everything rather than actually experience it at some point, I'm only level 87.75

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8 days til I can play again D: Is painful sitting here having to imagine everything rather than actually experience it at some point, I'm only level 87.75

Don't know how you feel about leveling. But can give you a tip how to take 89-90 in an hour or two. ( since personally I was sick of leveling by the time I was 89 ).
You will miss out on the "leveling experience" but get 90 fast from 89

Make sure you do all quests leading up the final zone before 89. Asap when you get 89, make quests to the new zone. Do the first quest hub in the new zone so you get to Klaxxi'Va. Take the Iron Mantid buff from the klaxxi. Then simply run up and down the scar, pull 30-40 mobs, elits and non elits, even those big spider thingies and just aoe down with SoI and SotR and keep SS up. You can easily pull 20-40 mobs with practice. ( problem is mobs resetting ). Each mob giving around 25k xp so thats a good 500-1000k experience per pull. Its the fastest way to level that I have found yet.

[MerinPally]

I'll consider it based on how bored I get So far however with Jade Forest and Vale, I did every single quest in the zone and actually read about half of the quest text hence in about 8 hours I only made it to just shy of 88, leveling as prot. I won't lie I skipped Nesingwary but that's only because I want to wreak havoc on it once I'm max and geared a bit. Plan to do every quest in Kun Lai and Townlong too, actually finding it interesting because for TBC, Wrath and Cata whilst I was never racing for realm firsts I was powering through so I missed all this. There's actually something to be said for being a bit slower... it's nice...

Can't believe I just said that. *shudder* It's against every principle I ever raided for.

Think I got to the part in Kun Lai where I'd done all the southern stuff and the Ox Wash, don't think I did that small Shado Pan bit yet in the bottom left but did all the Jin Yu bit. Last part I did was kill some thingies for the Grummles next to the Sha of fear and collect 3 leaders bodies and kill some others.

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A bit off topic, but does someone know if it is possible to track the uptime of SoI / SoT on WoL?

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Don't forget that you'll unlock the valor points necklace from Shado'pan just from the zone quests without any dailies.

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A bit off topic, but does someone know if it is possible to track the uptime of SoI / SoT on WoL?

In the damage done table click on your name, click on the buffs and debuffs tab. You'll get a list of the buffs and debuffs you acquired during the fight and their absolute and percentage uptimes.

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Yeah but seals does not show up there as they are not buffs anymore, they are a stance.

[Fhi]

Don't forget that you'll unlock the valor points necklace from Shado'pan just from the zone quests without any dailies.

I think it's Klaxxi, not shado-pan. Klaxxi has 489 neck for Honored.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

I think it's Klaxxi, not shado-pan. Klaxxi has 489 neck for Honored.

Right, Klaxxi.

Yeah but seals does not show up there as they are not buffs anymore, they are a stance.

How about tracking Censure uptime for SoT and Seal of Insight heals? Not perfect, but a work-around at least. So I would enter this into the expression editor on World of Logs:

spell='Censure' and sourceName='Fetzie' and targetReaction=REACTION_HOSTILE and type=TYPE_DAMAGE
or
spell='Seal of Insight' and sourceName='Fetzie' and type=TYPE_HEAL

Of course, change 'Fetzie' to 'YourName'.

This will show Censure damage ticks and Seal of Insight heals casted by the named player.

Or just look at the censure uptime, and estimate that the rest of the time (100%-CensureUptime%) is Seal of Insight, would probably be fairly close.