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[Decagon]

Good. I can beat hard now fairly easily. Trying Very hard atm.

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But one question. Do Protas never use their flying ships? I'm not sure but you never told me to build any xD

Yes, but not a lot. Carriers are almost never used (don't use them unless just vs AI), I don't know much about voidrays, but phoenixes are used for their ability to drag ground units into the air so they can be killed and for killing overlords for harass against zerg until zerg can do damage to them more effectively.

Airtoss is a lot more effective (and in some cases, more effective than ground) in HotS.

Also, good morning and goodbye Wass.

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Reported for racism.

+ 6

all germans are nazis!

[Anakso]

What is HotS?

[Decagon]

What is HotS?

Heart of the Swarm, it's the expansion that is coming out for SC2 in March.

[Anakso]

Ah cool.

I'm wondering, should I have my second base up by the time the AI attacks for the first time, or should I be putting it up after that?
I swear I was getting minerals so much faster when wass was coaching me xD

[Decagon]

Ah cool.

I'm wondering, should I have my second base up by the time the AI attacks for the first time, or should I be putting it up after that?
I swear I was getting minerals so much faster when wass was coaching me xD

That depends on what time you're being attacked. If you want to play it safe, and the AI attacks relatively early, right after you stop their push, you can put up your expansion, as they will have to retrain troops to attack you again, giving you a window to either expand or push them back.

In a real game, there are several options concerning expanding, and which one you choose is partially based on personal preference, and what you find (or don't find) when you scout the other player.

[Anakso]

Where do you learn all this stuff like scouting the enemy and things like that, I mean no amount of play will make me suddenly decide to scout the enemy I'd need to see someone do it or learn to do it somehow, I mean what unit would I even use xD

I imagine it like this:

[Decagon]

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Main_Page

Under portals, there are strategies (i.e. build orders and things like that), you can learn from there, from streams, from other players (like Wass, Meys, Eniah, Fallen, and I), or tutorials like: http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list...P5QU_R940oevX9.

Scouting is something that is done EVERY game. Usually you send out a worker after making your first pylon (or later, like I do, but it's usually better to go earlier) to scout the enemy base to see what strategy they're using (this is where that wiki I linked you can come in handy to determine what they're doing) and you can make better decisions about what to do next with your build. Scouting is also used to see if someone is cheesing or not, a scouted cheese is a countered cheese (a cheese is a build like the other player having 4gates in their base with no expansion). You scout as much as you can without losing units with no further information being gained.

Later game, scouting is different, as scouting is mostly used to find other expansions that you can "deny" (kill off), and you don't have to use a worker as you can send out an observer, stalker, zergling, etc. Again, the wiki I linked can come in handy here as well: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Scouting.

Btw, if something I say is contradicted by them, ignore me.

Also, you don't need to scout the AI as the AI is predictable and stupid.

---------- Post added 2012-12-23 at 06:42 AM ----------

This page is also relevant: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Probe#Vs._Terran.

Especially the versus Terran part, I can't tell you how many times I should have lost because the other person had better micro than I did, but I won anyways because my probe either killed off or delayed essential buildings like a barracks or an early command center.

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all germans are nazis!

All swedes are stoopid!

[Anakso]

I have 4 gates before I put in my expansion
Am I not supposed to? xD

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All swedes are stoopid!

Ye

[Decagon]

I have 4 gates before I put in my expansion
Am I not supposed to? xD

No, that's not good, unless you're cheesing.

If you have 4gates in your main base and no expansion, it means that you NEED to use those units (those units should comprise of mostly stalkers) to harass and possibly kill the other player before they can take advantage of the economic and technological weaknesses of attempting to support 4 production facilities on one base.

However, any decent player will scout (why scouting is so important) and if they see you are pushing 4gates, they can alter their strategy to easily counter this (i.e., a Protoss player who sees it's a 4gate build can build 3 gates and a robo bay, get a few immortals, and they almost certainly win the game unless they mess up terribly.

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All Swedes except me!

I can agree with that.

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The birds outside are cold :/
+6

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The birds outside are cold :/

You're not supposed to eat them-

+ 7

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But I'm hungry!

---------- Post added 2012-12-23 at 03:03 PM ----------

A snow plough just drove by!

---------- Post added 2012-12-23 at 03:09 PM ----------

I just fed the little bluebirds
+8

[Anakso]

A snow plough just drove by!

[Decagon]

You seem pretty enthused that a snow plow went by.

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[Anakso]

That's gross Joy....