The big question of prostitution

[petej0]

That is only true if your a porn actor which i guess very few people are ^^

If you are getting paid to have sex on camera, you are a porn actor. You dont have to be working for vivid or the like.

[Icefalcon28]

though my comments won't follow the most resent posts. The reason why i always thought prostitution was illegal and should be kept illegal is as follows. In business all things are a matter of either selling goods or services, and those goods and services can be quantified. Yet in the matter of prostitution the good that is being sold is someones personal body.

If i say i'm selling a body part for the joy and services of another is that legal? Can i sell my hand to someone for their enjoyment? Can i sell my heart? or any other organ for the benefit or enjoyment of another human being? Currently across the world i believe it is illegal to sell body parts. Yes there is black market trafficing of human body parts, but to my knowledge you can't legally sell human body parts.

Prostitution is crossing into the field of selling body parts. Now of course if we are talking about selling hearts/lungs/brains etc. most of those organs need to be removed from the individual resulting in death or severe handicap and hopefully everyone can agree those shouldn't be a marketable item. Prostitution on the other hand is selling a service of an organ that doesn't need to be removed from an individual thus it is treated a little bit more leniently. Yet it is still the business of selling the service of an organ. By legalizing prostitution you are stating that selling of an organ or service of an organ is lawful and create an opportunity for others to use that law to now sell other organs. Of course you can point out clearly that only say genitals are available to sell as a service but it creates a loophole down the road that can be taken advantage of by others.

There are other laws where you can point out similar situations. The current law in the majority of the states about marriage between one adult man and one adult woman. I don't want this to become a new topic, but its easy to follow. If you tracked the history of it this law has been changed numerous times as individuals have found loopholes and have extorted those loopholes. Some of these examples are marriage to a building, an animal, to multiple people or even same sex genders. The law didn't state that they couldn't at the time and so they did it and in some cases when other people complained about the marriage, a judge had to decide if it was lawful. In some cases it was for and some it was against, and the law has changed to reflect those judicial changes.

So my question to everyone is, if you think its okay to buy or sell a vagina should it be okay to buy or sell a heart? If its okay for one why not the other?

[Deleted]

So my question to everyone is, if you think its okay to buy or sell a vagina should it be okay to buy or sell a heart? If its okay for one why not the other?

"How are they even comparable?" would be my question to that.

If you paid for a handjob, would that person then be selling their hand(s)?

[Icefalcon28]

"How are they even comparable?" would be my question to that.

I thought about it and i agree they aren't comparable so i'll change the question

If you can buy or sell a vagina should you be able to buy or sell a lung, eye, kidney or arm or any organ that isnt' needed to live. You can have organs removed or donated and still live a healthy happy life.

[mistuhbull]

I thought about it and i agree they aren't comparable so i'll change the question

If you can buy or sell a vagina should you be able to buy or sell a lung, eye, kidney or arm or any organ that isnt' needed to live. You can have organs removed or donated and still live a healthy happy life.

Until I get to cut out the prostitute's vagina and take it home with me, i'm not buying her vagina.

Are you buying a singer's vocal chords when you hire her to sing at your birthday?
Are you buying Kobe's legs and arms when you hire him to play on your basketball team?

[petej0]

though my comments won't follow the most resent posts. The reason why i always thought prostitution was illegal and should be kept illegal is as follows. In business all things are a matter of either selling goods or services, and those goods and services can be quantified. Yet in the matter of prostitution the good that is being sold is someones personal body.

If i say i'm selling a body part for the joy and services of another is that legal? Can i sell my hand to someone for their enjoyment? Can i sell my heart? or any other organ for the benefit or enjoyment of another human being? Currently across the world i believe it is illegal to sell body parts. Yes there is black market trafficing of human body parts, but to my knowledge you can't legally sell human body parts.

Prostitution is crossing into the field of selling body parts. Now of course if we are talking about selling hearts/lungs/brains etc. most of those organs need to be removed from the individual resulting in death or severe handicap and hopefully everyone can agree those shouldn't be a marketable item. Prostitution on the other hand is selling a service of an organ that doesn't need to be removed from an individual thus it is treated a little bit more leniently. Yet it is still the business of selling the service of an organ. By legalizing prostitution you are stating that selling of an organ or service of an organ is lawful and create an opportunity for others to use that law to now sell other organs. Of course you can point out clearly that only say genitals are available to sell as a service but it creates a loophole down the road that can be taken advantage of by others.

There are other laws where you can point out similar situations. The current law in the majority of the states about marriage between one adult man and one adult woman. I don't want this to become a new topic, but its easy to follow. If you tracked the history of it this law has been changed numerous times as individuals have found loopholes and have extorted those loopholes. Some of these examples are marriage to a building, an animal, to multiple people or even same sex genders. The law didn't state that they couldn't at the time and so they did it and in some cases when other people complained about the marriage, a judge had to decide if it was lawful. In some cases it was for and some it was against, and the law has changed to reflect those judicial changes.

So my question to everyone is, if you think its okay to buy or sell a vagina should it be okay to buy or sell a heart? If its okay for one why not the other?

What is wrong with a man marrying another man or woman marrying another woman , or two women etc... how does that effect you?

[semaphore]

If you can buy or sell a vagina should you be able to buy or sell a lung, eye, kidney or arm or any organ that isnt' needed to live. You can have organs removed or donated and still live a healthy happy life.

You seem incapable of distinguishing between buying "a service with a body part" and buying "the actual bodypart".

[Deleted]

I thought about it and i agree they aren't comparable so i'll change the question

If you can buy or sell a vagina should you be able to buy or sell a lung, eye, kidney or arm or any organ that isnt' needed to live. You can have organs removed or donated and still live a healthy happy life.

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You're still only buying access to it pretty much. Selling an organ means removing it from the body to transplant to someone else and if you could sell them rich people would benefit far more from that than regular people.

[Kasierith]

You seem incapable of distinguishing between buying "a service with a body part" and buying "the actual bodypart".

If every pornstar was some sort of multidimensional doppelganger capable of distributing her body to everyone who watches, it'd make perfect sense!

[Icefalcon28]

What is wrong with a man marrying another man or woman marrying another woman , or two women etc... how does that effect you?

I was only using it as a reference. The law did state though at one point and it is being address by the court to change it. the same reason it was changed to reflect only 2 people could be married (not 3 or more) or that only adults can be married (to prevent children from being married). You missed the point of me referencing the law.

Also since you brought it up what is wrong with a man marrying a child? or a man marrying multiple woman? or a woman marrying multiple men? or a man or woman marrying an animal?

The right to bear arms is similar also. AT one point the law didn't include our most deadly of weapons, but as those were discovered or as people wanted to bring them home (bombs, missles etc. fully automatic weapons) the law was changed to include those items. Technically the right to bear arms should include those, they are an "arm" by definition.

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You're still only buying access to it pretty much. Selling an organ means removing it from the body to transplant to someone else and if you could sell them rich people would benefit far more from that than regular people.

Still why can't i purchase access to another persons body parts? What if i have a fettish for sticking things in eyeballs?

[semaphore]

If every pornstar was some sort of multidimensional doppelganger capable of distributing her body to everyone who watches, it'd make perfect sense!

Of course! The universe makes sense now! We must hunt down these doppelgängers by researching string theory!

Still why can't i purchase access to another persons body parts? What if i have a fettish for sticking things in eyeballs?

Sucks to be you then because that almost no one would sell that?

[Icefalcon28]

Sucks to be you then because that almost no one would sell that?[/QUOTE]

are you saying that it should be legal to be able to stick things in peoples eyeballs?

[Deleted]

Still why can't i purchase access to another persons body parts? What if i have a fettish for sticking things in eyeballs?

Err, the only thing I can see coming from that is either horrible pain or a horrible infection for the eye. Doubt anyone would let you do anything to their eyes, if you lose vision it can't really be regained easily. If at all.

[smelltheglove]

Sucks to be you then because that almost no one would sell that?

are you saying that it should be legal to be able to stick things in peoples eyeballs?

the saddest part of this is that you probably think it's a really clever argument

[mistuhbull]

Sucks to be you then because that almost no one would sell that?

are you saying that it should be legal to be able to stick things in peoples eyeballs?

with their consent? I don't see why not.

If you can find someone who is willing to sell you the ability to put your wing-wang in their eye-hole then I have no reason to believe they should be stopped. Committed for a serious lack of judgement perhaps, but not stopped.

[semaphore]

with their consent? I don't see why not.

If you can find someone who is willing to sell you the ability to put your wing-wang in their eye-hole then I have no reason to believe they should be stopped. Committed for a serious lack of judgement perhaps, but not stopped.

Actually its not really safe or sane so...

I was thinking more like, someone who lost an eye letting him stick in socket. Not sane perhaps, but safe, so permissible if he found someone willing to sell.

[Endus]

Still why can't i purchase access to another persons body parts? What if i have a fettish for sticking things in eyeballs?

The standard measure used is whether it harms the other person.

Sticking something into their eye and blinding that eye? That's harm, and usually the law frowns on that.
If someone's got a glass eye, and you want them to take it out so you can stick your finger in there, and you'll pay them $20? That's totally legal.

Prostitution is comparable to the latter, not the former, since it involves sex, and harm is not a component of sex.

[Icefalcon28]

[QUOTE=mistuhbull;19764412]with their consent? I don't see why not.

If you can find someone who is willing to sell you the ability to put your wing-wang in their eye-hole then I have no reason to believe they should be stopped. Committed for a serious lack of judgement perhaps, but not stopped.[/QUOute]

See that is a problem consent can't be the only thing that prevents someone from buying something from another person. If you consent to me purchasing the mutilation of your body is that okay? you gave me consent? What about me mutilating your childs body if all we need is parental consent? You can't base something as okay or legal on the sole fact that some individual might give 'consent'.

[Deleted]

with their consent? I don't see why not.

If you can find someone who is willing to sell you the ability to put your wing-wang in their eye-hole then I have no reason to believe they should be stopped. Committed for a serious lack of judgement perhaps, but not stopped.[/QUOute]

See that is a problem consent can't be the only thing that prevents someone from buying something from another person. If you consent to me purchasing the mutilation of your body is that okay? you gave me consent? What about me mutilating your childs body if all we need is parental consent? You can't base something as okay or legal on the sole fact that some individual might give 'consent'.

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There is actual physical injury from mutilating someone.

[Endus]

If you can find someone who is willing to sell you the ability to put your wing-wang in their eye-hole then I have no reason to believe they should be stopped. Committed for a serious lack of judgement perhaps, but not stopped.[/QUOute]

See that is a problem consent can't be the only thing that prevents someone from buying something from another person. If you consent to me purchasing the mutilation of your body is that okay? you gave me consent? What about me mutilating your childs body if all we need is parental consent? You can't base something as okay or legal on the sole fact that some individual might give 'consent'.

It's not. It's based on the premise of harm. Some acts are considered so harmful they aren't something you can legally consent to.