Blood elf area changes and Storm, Earth, and Fire on the PTR <spoilers>

[Deleted]

They might even be able to summon Captain planet, if they can find Heart.

[Combatbutler]

From the things we currently now, Horde story in 5.2 looks more interesting than the Alliance one. Gladly my guild changes server soon, probably followed by a faction change! @_@



Since when?

Since Sylvanas more or less forced them to go to war in Northrend, it went downhill from there on. Nowadays Lor'themar outright ignores Sylvanas

As seen in http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/lor...hemar-theron/1 and Tides of War.

[Rhlor]

From the things we currently now, Horde story in 5.2 looks more interesting than the Alliance one. Gladly my guild changes server soon, probably followed by a faction change! @_@



Since when?

from tides of war when Lor'themar ignored sylvanas when it wants the support it at the meeting of leaders of the Horde

[BrerBear]

The Horde wouldn't want the full force of the Blue Dragonflight against them, would they? They'd stand no chance against such might.

Horde already murdered a bunch of the Blue Dragonflight to steal the Focusing Iris used in the attack on Theramore.
Dragons tend to look the other way in response to atrocities.

[Deleted]

Since Sylvanas more or less forced them to go to war in Northrend, it went downhill from there on. Nowadays Lor'themar outright ignores Sylvanas

As seen in http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/game/lor...hemar-theron/1 and Tides of War.

Well, what did he expect from being part of one of the two factions which are at constant war? And the Blood Elven presence in Northrend was so slim, I dont even remember any quest of them anymore. Honestly, it looks like he didnt even have an intention to take revenge on Arthas for what he did to his nation.

Blaming the faction which brought them into the Horde for having to fight is rediculous. Sylvanas offered them help....

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from tides of war when Lor'themar ignored sylvanas when it wants the support it at the meeting of leaders of the Horde

Would like to have a quote on this. Not saying you're wrong, its just interesting since I dont read the books. Also the book was written in 5.0 times... hell, before 5.1 he wanted to re-join the Alliance.

[DFu4ever]

from tides of war when Lor'themar ignored sylvanas when it wants the support it at the meeting of leaders of the Horde

Reading a description of that from the book, it sounds like they wrote him as being tolerant of Garrosh, which doesn't really sound like the same dude that was just about to leave the Horde. Sylvanas's worries from that book about hitting Theramore and the possible retaliation against the Forsaken and Blood Elves are something that patch 5.1 Lor'theron would have shared. The book has him just ignoring her it seems, which doesn't make sense because she does have a good point.

Sounds like it's simply poor characterization for him in that novel.

[Combatbutler]

Well, what did he expect from being part of one of the two factions which are at constant war? And the Blood Elven presence in Northrend was so slime, I dont even remember any quest of them anymore. Honestly, it looks like he didnt even have an intention to take revenge on Arthas for what he did to his nation.

Blaming the faction which brought them into the Horde for having to fight is rediculous. Sylvanas offered them help....

Horde and Alliance were not at war back then, Varian declared war briefly after the Wrathgate fiasco, but a new treaty was made, which was ultimately broken by Garrosh, who staged a massive Ashenvale invasion.

The blood elves had just fought a civil war on Quel'danas they couldn't really afford another campaign, but they had to commit troops. It seems they mostly recovered, otherwise Lor'themar wouldn't dare make such bold moves, which could endanger his people.

[Deleted]

Reading a description of that from the book, it sounds like they wrote him as being tolerant of Garrosh. Doesn't really sound like a dude that was just about to leave the Horde. Sylvanas's worries from that book about hitting Theramore and the possible retaliation against the Forsaken and Blood Elves are something that patch 5.1 Lor'theron would have shared. The book has him just ignoring her it seems, which doesn't make sense because she does have a good point.

Sounds like it's simply poor characterization for him in that novel.

Totally agree. Read the start of his short story:

In the Shadow of the Sun

The surface of Lor'themar's desk had ceased to be visible underneath all the paper piled on top of it. Reports, missives, orders, and inventories teetered precariously in stacks he had long since stopped trying to organize. All of them were related to the short yet brutal war over Quel'Danas and the Sunwell. None of them was currently on his mind.

In his hand he held a single unopened envelope. Stamped into its violet sealing wax was a great eye, the symbol of Dalaran. It seemed to glare at him accusingly, reminding him of all the other similar letters he had received and discarded. He cracked the seal and removed the neatly folded parchment inside. By now Lor'themar recognized the even, meticulous handwriting adorning the page.

Archmage Aethas Sunreaver had requested an audience with the regent lord numerous times recently, but Lor'themar had deliberately ignored him. Since the events on Quel'Danas he had desperately tried to forget the rest of the world, but he realized the world would force itself upon him eventually.

Lor'themar sighed and leaned back in his chair. This letter was much briefer than its predecessors. This time Aethas had not asked, but had simply stated a date and time of arrival. Lor'themar ran his thumb along the paper's rough edge. He had a good idea what Aethas was going to propose, and he was not yet certain how he wanted to answer.

Before 5.0 he ignored Aethas and all others and now they're best friends..

[Combatbutler]

Reading a description of that from the book, it sounds like they wrote him as being tolerant of Garrosh, which doesn't really sound like the same dude that was just about to leave the Horde. Sylvanas's worries from that book about hitting Theramore and the possible retaliation against the Forsaken and Blood Elves are something that patch 5.1 Lor'theron would have shared. The book has him just ignoring her it seems, which doesn't make sense because she does have a good point.

Sounds like it's simply poor characterization for him in that novel.

Not really, Lor'themar made a point his loyalty was to the Horde and not Garrosh personally, and as such did as he was ordered to he knew arguing would have been pointless. He knows when to pick his fights, which is why he did not show up to besiege Theramore personally. The only reason he considered leaving the horde is because Garrosh does not care if loads of blood elves die for his cause. During the Dominance Offensive Questline you could see that Lor'themar finally lost patience with Garrosh.

Before 5.0 he ignored Aethas and all others and now they're best friends..

Aethas and Lor'themar are hardly friends, unless you count someone calling you a lapdog a close friend.

[Verdugo]

Mogu don't need such crude and unsophisticated weaponry as plague

Obviously they do, because they are about to be defeated permanently.

[Deleted]

Horde and Alliance were not at war back then, Varian declared war briefly after the Wrathgate fiasco, but a new treaty was made, which was ultimately broken by Garrosh, who staged a massive Ashenvale invasion.

The blood elves had just fought a civil war on Quel'danas they couldn't really afford another campaign, but they had to commit troops. It seems they mostly recovered, otherwise Lor'themar wouldn't dare make such bold moves, which could endanger his people.

What are you talking about? Alliance and Horde were at war since World of Warcraft launched, else the whole game wouldnt make sense. Warsong, Alteractal and Arathi arent just in game battleground. Also, there wouldnt be a reason for the Horde to exist in its current form if it werent for the Alliance. Varian didnt declare anything but just revenge on Putress for killing Bolvar. He bravely ate all insults of Garrosh in the events of 3.2 and couldnt do much about Garrosh, the guy who actually declared full out war at 4.0, when he became Warchief.

Blood Elves had help from the Aldor/Scryer faction of Shattrath, who combined their forces to form the faction you saw on the isle.

[Rhlor]

I think the point is shown Lor'themar independent Sylvanas

[Raivosoturi]

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[Deleted]

Obviously they do, because they are about to be defeated permanently.

You don't know that yet.

[Verdugo]

You don't know that yet.

Its a routine. Someone starts screaming about world domination and next thing we know is that he stands in some fortress guarded by conveniently-beatable patrol packs.

[Combatbutler]

What are you talking about? Alliance and Horde were at war since World of Warcraft launched, else the whole game wouldnt make sense. Warsong, Alteractal and Arathi arent just in game battleground. Also, there wouldnt be a reason for the Horde to exist in its current form if it werent for the Alliance. Varian didnt declare anything but just revenge on Putress for killing Bolvar. He bravely ate all insults of Garrosh in the events of 3.2 and couldnt do much about Garrosh, the guy who actually declared full out war at 4.0, when he became Warchief.

No they were not , there were skirmishes but no all out war between the factions they had an uneasy truce. We are at war since the beginning of the Cataclysm.

Blood Elves had help from the Aldor/Scryer faction of Shattrath, who combined their forces to form the faction you saw on the isle.

And? They fought against the burning legion and Kael's army there , many of their troops weren't even healed yet.

[blackblade]

Well, what did he expect from being part of one of the two factions which are at constant war? And the Blood Elven presence in Northrend was so slim, I dont even remember any quest of them anymore. Honestly, it looks like he didnt even have an intention to take revenge on Arthas for what he did to his nation.

The one thing the blood elves wanted badly after the Scourge destroyed their homeland, was the reignition of the sunwell.

Now that the sunwell is up and going again, there's a good chance a majority of the blood elves are going back to the elven mentality of "Meh, not our problem."

They would rather bunker down and ensure the safety of the sunwell than kill Arthas.

[Combatbutler]

The one thing the blood elves wanted badly after the Scourge destroyed their homeland, was the reignition of the sunwell.

Now that the sunwell is up and going again, there's a good chance a majority of the blood elves are going back to the elven mentality of "Meh, not our problem."

They would rather bunker down and ensure the safety of the sunwell than kill Arthas.

More like liking wounds, striking later. They wanted him dead but rushing into the next battle, even though many of your troops aren't properly healed is foolish.

[Immitis]

There's some orc clan in the Horde, which captured the Dragon Queen at some point and forced her to breed mounts for them. Welcome to the Dragonmaw Clan, Horde since Cataclysm.



Its Plague and not Blight anymore, fyi.

Hopefully the Blood Elves / Forsaken will succesfully use it against the Alliance. I imagine all the discussions on MMO-C about war crimes and mass mUrdUr.... ~~~

it IS a warcrime. after the wrath gate the horde and alliance both made an agreement that neither would use any kind of plague again because of the horrors of what happened there.

you cant say its not a war crime because thats the very definition of war crime...

[Rhlor]

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http://ptr.wowhead.com/npc=67991#.
Click on "View in 3D".