1. #5561
    Loved troll since his initial debut in Dota. I just wish they hadn't changed his passive aura, the whole stacking thing seems like it should belong to beast master like it did in the past. Also in his video debut for Dota2 the commentator says that Basher doesn't stack (expected), doesn't say anything about the upgraded version though- prob going to say it doesn't work. With that said though... why isn't MKB part of his core? BKB is and helm of dominator is (though I'd say MoM is a better option to really stack the AS). Given that the main concept of troll is to perma-bash, shouldn't MKB be core?

  2. #5562
    Quote Originally Posted by Ichy View Post
    why isn't MKB part of his core? BKB is and helm of dominator is (though I'd say MoM is a better option to really stack the AS). Given that the main concept of troll is to perma-bash, shouldn't MKB be core?
    I don't see the relation between concept of perma-bash and MKB. MKB bashes for like 0.1(just checked wiki says 0.01) sec or smt and I think that was there because of engine limitations of WC3. Since DotA2 is direct copy, they copied it as well. MKB is a raw damage item with slight IAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    I don't see the relation between concept of perma-bash and MKB. MKB bashes for like 0.1(just checked wiki says 0.01) sec or smt and I think that was there because of engine limitations of WC3. Since DotA2 is direct copy, they copied it as well. MKB is a raw damage item with slight IAS.
    ...and anti-evasion mechanic built in
    and since one of (somewhat) main options of countering permabash is to get some evasion, I could see logic behind MKB on Troll and other "bashers"

  4. #5564
    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    ...and anti-evasion mechanic built in
    and since one of (somewhat) main options of countering permabash is to get some evasion, I could see logic behind MKB on Troll and other "bashers"
    totally forgot about true strike. Yeah it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Storm the Sorrow View Post
    ...and anti-evasion mechanic built in
    and since one of (somewhat) main options of countering permabash is to get some evasion, I could see logic behind MKB on Troll and other "bashers"
    I was under the impression that if it was determined an attack would perform a bash, that attack will always land.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    I was under the impression that if it was determined an attack would perform a bash, that attack will always land.
    It was like that in the beginning during dota 1, at some point it changed and was documented somewhere.

    @Kuntantee- I know you said ignore but- that mini .01 second stun... can happen a lot in succession while bash's internal CD runs its course, its also goes through BKB (think all bash's do).

    Was thinking of a troll... troll build. Going Defusal/manta/ instead of madness(Helm of Dominator)/Shadow blade. Would be expensive so if your not doing well but your teams are fairly even should make for a great late game build.. though once you get defusal/manta... there should be no escaping you.

  7. #5567
    @Ichy Perma-Bash build should involve MKB, if it can be afforded, however, that's because of true strike not ultra mini-bash. If you ignore it's damage(~100dmg I guess) that mini-bash brings nothing but ability to cancel tp or other channeling spells. It's good since even raw damage + true strike of MKB worths the money and you get it too but I don't think you can consider it as a real bash. Enemy won't even feel they lose control of their character.

    While I may be wrong, I believe that number is there because of engine limitations.

  8. #5568
    MKB procs refresh the duration of stun. This was the case in DotA1, not sure if it's in 2, but I still go MKB early on troll.

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    Giving away free keys, PM me your Steam ID to receive one.

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    Still got extra beta keys? If so can you send one my way! DasGimp steam account

  11. #5571
    Unstable concoction is the biggest fucking bullshit ever. You start to cast it, that's all good and then your silenced or stunned or whatever other bullshit and you can't do shit. It's so fucking frustrating. You want to play a hero but his ability has such a huge glaring obvious achilles heal and you get fucked over for picking or randoming him. It's horse shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Unstable concoction is the biggest fucking bullshit ever. You start to cast it, that's all good and then your silenced or stunned or whatever other bullshit and you can't do shit. It's so fucking frustrating. You want to play a hero but his ability has such a huge glaring obvious achilles heal and you get fucked over for picking or randoming him. It's horse shit.
    4 sec stun that does 360 damage at 775 range on a 16 second cooldown.

    Buy a BKB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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  13. #5573
    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    4 sec stun that does 360 damage at 775 range on a 16 second cooldown.

    Buy a BKB.
    It's also AoE.

  14. #5574
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    Quote Originally Posted by TonyIommi View Post
    Unstable concoction is the biggest fucking bullshit ever. You start to cast it, that's all good and then your silenced or stunned or whatever other bullshit and you can't do shit. It's so fucking frustrating. You want to play a hero but his ability has such a huge glaring obvious achilles heal and you get fucked over for picking or randoming him. It's horse shit.
    Hi I main Alch I guarantee you it's an l2p issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kuntantee View Post
    While I may be wrong, I believe that number is there because of engine limitations.
    What number? The bash?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lysah View Post
    It's also AoE.
    Yeah, they did make it one didn't they? It's also good for self-denial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    Yeah, they did make it one didn't they? It's also good for self-denial.
    It's pretty shit for denying because the only way you'll reasonably get away from people who could just kill you while it's charging is to pop your ulti which will most likely regen a shitton before it pops off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lycoris View Post
    It's pretty shit for denying because the only way you'll reasonably get away from people who could just kill you while it's charging is to pop your ulti which will most likely regen a shitton before it pops off.
    It's better than the method most heroes get, which is none.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryan Cailan Ebonheart View Post
    I also do landscaping on weekends with some mexican kid that I "hired". He's real good because he's 100% obedient to me and does everything I say while never complaining. He knows that I am the man in the relationship and is completely submissive towards me as he should be.
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  18. #5578
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    Quote Originally Posted by PizzaSHARK View Post
    It's better than the method most heroes get, which is none.
    Run into neutral camp.
    ??????????

  19. #5579
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    Dem neutrals too strong, of course you can pull that off, but theres not always the possibility to run into a neutral camp.

    Alch can pull his one off everywhere but it's pretty hard if your Ultimate just regens you out of deny HP

  20. #5580
    No one gets mad at being denied unless you're a hero with 200 damage and kill them when they had 150 hp and were on the last tick of gale.

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