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    Not to mention that in almost every movie we win. That's imossible.

    Also has anyone seen that crappy documentary that says how to defeat the aliens in 6 days if they ever attacked us?

    That in the end we will go to their motherships with baloons and they won't notice that? Who made this shit seriously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Well if it is a missile and you didn't know that then it would be a UFO until identified.
    But what you posted are examples of things which are and have been identified, and despite that information being commonly available, many people want there to be a mystery where none exists. There are countless examples of this on YouTube in particular.

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    I think you are getting UFO and aliens confused.
    Not in the slightest.

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    UFO just mean unidentified flying object not aliens.
    Indeed. Yet "believers" are frequently all too eager to unduly associate the two.

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    NASA has tons of UFO on video from space stations hubble telescope etc but that doesn't mean aliens.
    People have made all sorts of misguided, uninformed claims about there being UFOs in NASA imagery or video. Those who do so, like we've seen in the videos you posted, not only don't understand what they're seeing -- more importantly, they're not looking for answers and they're jumping to unwarranted conclusions. That's the main problem here, and that's precisely what I'm talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    The only way they could be friendly with us is if they're entirely passive and uncompetitive, and a creature like that couldn't compete well enough to survive to begin with.
    You're still assuming they're coming to earth for resources. Why not a sort of "zoological venture?" If you're going so far as to tie their drives to those of humans, you can't discredit an investigative one.

    It's possible that, if their technology is superior enough, they'll just pillage the outer planets and leave us alone as a curiosity.
    I don't imagine the "outer planets" have much in the way of any sort of unique resource. Hell, even our own planet, beyond liquid water and organic compounds, isn't exactly "unique." And even then we know water exists on other planets in frozen forms (they could create it if they were so inclined) and I highly doubt that a highly advanced space-faring civilization would fuel the entirety of its star-faring program on something like fossil fuels.

    If we're to assume that these alien life forms are indeed intelligent, then I think it'd make the most sense to base their energy around something they know they could procure almost anywhere in the galaxy... the only thing that would be is solar energy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    lots of sensible text
    you are right, but your being right makes you wrong. I have no doubt that they wouldn't resemble us in the slightest. That is a safe assumption. It's weather they would want to open communication or be hostile towards us. They are alien. you can ascribe human ideals to aliens...to include motivation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sayl View Post

    People have made all sorts of misguided, uninformed claims about there being UFOs in NASA imagery or video. Those who do so, like we've seen in the videos you posted, not only don't understand what they're seeing -- more importantly, they're not looking for answers and they're jumping to unwarranted conclusions. That's the main problem here, and that's precisely what I'm talking about.
    Not just people NASA themselves have classified them as UFO's.
    I'm not saying aliens I'm saying UFO's

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    You're still assuming they're coming to earth for resources. Why not a sort of "zoological venture?" If you're going so far as to tie their drives to those of humans, you can't discredit an investigative one.
    A zoological venture is a bad, bad thing for us. They'll want to poke around in us to figure out our biology, probably take a few for an exhibit/ongoing study, etc. It's a nightmare scenario, for us.

    And again; it either costs them a freaking fortune in resources to make the trip, or they're so ridiculously ahead of us technologically speaking that we're as stupid, to them, as monkeys are, to us. In theory, we could make a generational ship that could survive interstellar travel; the tech's available, it just costs so enormously much that it's not worth it to us to do so, given the potential return. The big question is WHY they're making such a trip. If it's for kicks/exploration, we're an oddity and/or a pest, not an ally or enemy.

    I don't imagine the "outer planets" have much in the way of any sort of unique resource.
    I didn't mean anything unique, just that, if you need water for instance, Europa's as good a source as Earth, and there's no nasty biologicals to deal with. I'm not trying to imply special resources, I just mean basics; the gases you can harvest off Jupiter and such, things like water and various metals, etc. Any long-term voyage is going to be bringing the tech to refine such basics into whatever alloys and such you need.

    They wouldn't come here and beeline for Earth, most likely. Not unless their goal was the elimination of a potential threat/competitor.


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    I am fairly confident there is life other live in the universe and I am also sure there is a spices able to travel at speeds that would allow them to come here, but why would they. When you pass a snail on the street do you stop to consider how intelligent it is? No it is a species that is far beneath you why waste your time with it? There is more chance of a person crushing it then actually caring enough to communicate with it. Odds are they would just pass us and not give a damn if they even pass us. I mean space is a massive place the odds of us running into them is fairly low. That been said it is possible and all the above may have happened there is just a real lack of evidence that would back that up

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    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    you can ascribe human ideals to aliens...to include motivation.
    I'm assuming you meant "can't", there.

    I'm not trying to ascribe human motivations to them. I'm looking at the overarching truth of life on this planet, which is the only example I can draw from. In every environment, life exists to make use of available resources, to propagate itself. That is the root "purpose" of life. Evolutionary forces allow for those creatures which better adapt to those environments and resources to thrive and propagate. As near as we can tell, any sentient creature is going to arise in a similar environment; competing with other creatures for resources, and out-adapting the competition to become the apex creature in their home ecosystems.

    While other options are possible, they're not that likely. Evolution is a concept that exists pretty much independent of base biology; it doesn't matter which organism you're talking of, if it can adapt, it will, and thus evolution. If it can't, then it won't ever improve on itself enough to attain sentience in the first place.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    A zoological venture is a bad, bad thing for us. They'll want to poke around in us to figure out our biology, probably take a few for an exhibit/ongoing study, etc. It's a nightmare scenario, for us.
    Less of a nightmare scenario than a complete apocalyptic annihilation would be

    And again; it either costs them a freaking fortune in resources to make the trip, or they're so ridiculously ahead of us technologically speaking that we're as stupid, to them, as monkeys are, to us. In theory, we could make a generational ship that could survive interstellar travel; the tech's available, it just costs so enormously much that it's not worth it to us to do so, given the potential return. The big question is WHY they're making such a trip. If it's for kicks/exploration, we're an oddity and/or a pest, not an ally or enemy.
    We've spent fortunes on more idiotic things

    I didn't mean anything unique, just that, if you need water for instance, Europa's as good a source as Earth, and there's no nasty biologicals to deal with. I'm not trying to imply special resources, I just mean basics; the gases you can harvest off Jupiter and such, things like water and various metals, etc. Any long-term voyage is going to be bringing the tech to refine such basics into whatever alloys and such you need.
    The only issue with that is that we'd basically have to be "next in line" for the star systems they're munching through for resources... and, as we know of no habitable planets within any appreciably close distance to ours, you'd think that in the hundreds of thousands of years it took for them to reach ours they'd have thought to themselves "maybe there's a more efficient way of doing this..."

    They wouldn't come here and beeline for Earth, most likely. Not unless their goal was the elimination of a potential threat/competitor.
    If they see us as dumb monkeys, they probably wouldn't think that.
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    Man... I really enjoy reading Endus, everything he says makes such a lot of sence.

    Though, I think if aliens found us and are interested in us it will take them a lot of time to understand the human race or even to try to comunicate with it. And there are many spicies on earth maybe they or more interested on a bug, fish or other mammals maybe they even want to study some virus that is unique. We think we are the dominant being on this planet but on the eyes (if they have) on the aliens we could be wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Not just people NASA themselves have classified them as UFO's.
    I'm not saying aliens I'm saying UFO's
    You're missing my point entirely.

    Do show me where NASA has classified anything you've mentioned as "UFOs".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaleredar View Post
    Less of a nightmare scenario than a complete apocalyptic annihilation would be
    I wasn't trying to argue that apocalyptic annihilation was the only possible outcome. Just that mutually beneficial cooperation was so unlikely as to not be a reasonable expectation.

    We've spent fortunes on more idiotic things
    Not at the scale we're talking about.

    If the US wanted to build the kind of ship I'm talking about, the cost would be in the hundreds of trillions, if not into quadrillions. It would likely not be possible without major international cooperation to the extent of bankrupting those nations involved in the project.

    The only issue with that is that we'd basically have to be "next in line" for the star systems they're munching through for resources... and, as we know of no habitable planets within any appreciably close distance to ours, you'd think that in the hundreds of thousands of years it took for them to reach ours they'd have thought to themselves "maybe there's a more efficient way of doing this..."
    Depends on what they're looking for. If they're looking for a habitable planet, their definition is quite possibly completely different from ours. They could also be extraplanetary; the kind of ship necessary for the journey wouldn't ever need to make planetfall, just top up on resources before moving on.

    As for the distances; that was an earlier point of mine: the chance of any sentient life existing A> close enough to reach us and B> within the same narrow range of time for them to meet us when we're technological, is mind-bogglingly tiny.


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    This is the first thing I think about when somebody mentions aliens:

    Holly: We're getting a signal. It's probably nothing but I just thought I'd mention it.

    Rimmer: Aliens.

    Lister: Oh God, aliens... Your explanation for anything slightly peculiar is aliens, isn't it? You lose your keys - it's aliens. A picture falls off the wall - it's aliens. That time we used up a whole bog roll in a day, you thought that was aliens as well!

    Rimmer: Well, we didn't use it all, Lister. Who did?

    Lister: Rimmer, aliens used our bog roll?

    Rimmer: Just 'cos they're aliens, doesn't mean they don't have to visit the little boys' room. Although they probably do something weird and alien-esque, like it comes out of the top of their heads or something.

    Lister: Well, I wouldn't like to be stuck behind one in a cinema!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Not at the scale we're talking about.

    If the US wanted to build the kind of ship I'm talking about, the cost would be in the hundreds of trillions, if not into quadrillions. It would likely not be possible without major international cooperation to the extent of bankrupting those nations involved in the project.
    We spend a lot of money on "discovery." if this hypothetical race has such amazingly advanced technology so as to be able to traverse star systems while maintaining a net gain in resources, then I don't think it's that far flung of an idea that they would come specifically to our planet for its "oddness"


    Depends on what they're looking for. If they're looking for a habitable planet, their definition is quite possibly completely different from ours. They could also be extraplanetary; the kind of ship necessary for the journey wouldn't ever need to make planetfall, just top up on resources before moving on.
    In the second situation, they're basically wandering the galaxy "for the lulz," either because their home planet was destroyed, or they're explorers, or they're... space protestants, or some similar reason. And again, it would make the most sense for them to develop a ship that maintains itself with as few input resources as possible (as in, everything is recycled,) rather than hoping they find a planet to sap resources from in time before life support gives out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There's also basically no chance they would be;
    A> friendly to humanity,
    B> even a little bit similar to us in any way, or
    C> open to communication.
    Why wouldn't they be friendly. If we found a civilization somewhere out there, do you think we'd be hostile to them? Why would they be any different if they found us?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Why wouldn't they be friendly. If we found a civilization somewhere out there, do you think we'd be hostile to them? Why would they be any different if they found us?
    If we still had any bit of sense within us of course we would be friendly, just saying...

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    I've always assumed hat the appearance of Aliens would be like the Tholians from Star Trek. There would be a highly unlikely chance they would be humanoid in appearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    Why wouldn't they be friendly. If we found a civilization somewhere out there, do you think we'd be hostile to them? Why would they be any different if they found us?
    We're hostile to ourselves, and we at least have the commonality of being human between us. It would be orders of magnitude worse with an alien species, with whom we'd share no common ground whatsoever.


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    I voted aliens exist, but i don't think they'd be jerking around on earth crashing like idiots, running around naked, and doing stupid shit from the shadows wasting time with us humans. If they were advanced enough to manage to make it to earth from a billion miles away, they'd be advanced and smart enough to send probes and not crash and die and be generally stupid and do things like pulling scary movie jump scare shit by running from behind one tree to another like they do in stupid youtube videos.
    It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
    Also, it's should HAVE. NOT "should of". "Should of" doesn't even make sense. If you think you should own a cat, do you say "I should of a cat" or "I should have a cat"? Do you HAVE cats, or do you OF cats?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RICH1471 View Post
    The same reason we have documentaries about tribes in Africa and South America.
    There is a big difference. One, we research them in order to protect them, as many aboriginal tribes are protected by law from interference, and two, they're us. Genetically us. They're humans, on our planet, right in our backyard. That's a big difference from a very advanced civilization coming over to say hi to backwards Earth out in the middle of nowhere with no ties to us at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Vargas View Post
    Well....why do we visit zoos and go on safari's? To entertain us, and to observe animals in their habitat. Same idea could apply to why a more advanced civilization might want to watch us; for entertainment watching the primitives struggle with things that they solved long ago as well as for educational purposes.

    As for traveling great distances, just because man hasn't figured it out doesn't mean it can't be done or that, if another civilization out there exists and is more technologically advanced, that they couldn't have figured it out before us.


    Granted I don't really believe aliens have visited us, but I believe they exist; the idea that we're basically "it" and there is no planet out there with life on it, to me, is hilarious. The problem I think is that a lot of people have this collective sense of species ego-centrism, where we believe we are the best of the best and the idea that we might not be upsets us.
    You're proving my point. If a truly advanced civilization visited us, we'd be in a zoo, or dead. It's unlikely they'd let monkey-like, uncivilized, and completely backwards humans to stand in the way of pillaging our world for the natural resources still present. At best, we'd be curiosities to be returned home to their world for entertainment.

    Quote Originally Posted by poser765 View Post
    I would be interested to know how you come to those conclusions. Those seem like some pretty big assumptions.
    It all makes sense in the context of what we'd do. After all, we're not going to make a 200 year trip to some other star for the purpose of just saying hi. We'd go because we want something from it. Same with the idea of bombarding the earth from orbit...it's the most efficient way to do it. They're not really going to come down to Earth and slowly kill us, one by one. That's like trying to exterminate roaches.
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