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  1. #281
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tziva View Post
    I know anecdotal evidence (in either direction) doesn't count for much, but it doesn't surprise me how much by personal experience regarding game activity contrasts with others'.

    I've seen a lot of people comment about how dead and empty the game is now, but this is actually the most active I've seen it since Wrath within my social circle. While some of the people I knew who left in Cataclysm didn't come back for Mists, I don't know a single person personally who has unsubbed since the expansion launched. My guild -- which has always been a very small exclusive group due to the no-recruit/invite-only policy -- has almost doubled in activity in the last few months. In Cata, we had one ten man raid. This time around, we have two full guild raids, and another that is about 60% guildies.
    Why use Cata as a ref point instead of the start of MoP? And if you want to know a person who unsubbed (2 accounts) we can learn to know each other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolalola View Post
    Why use Cata as a ref point instead of the start of MoP? And if you want to know a person who unsubbed (2 accounts) we can learn to know each other.
    I don't know what you mean by using Cata as a reference point. I'm not. I'm talking about my personal experience with subs in Mists. If you mean with regards to raiding, that's because Cataclysm was the first expansion my guild really had "guild raids" both because the guild group support was not implemented in prior expansions and also because I raid with a raiding alliance of other small guilds. It's the only thing I have to compare it to, and in that comparison, we are doing 2.5x the activity we had then.

    I don't have any doubt that some people have cancelled their subscriptions, I was just musing on the huge contrast that my personal experience has been to the personal experience of others.


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  3. #283
    One more day.

  4. #284
    I believe it will be a small decline in subs. Nothing substantial.

  5. #285
    Time to post what we think the results will be tomorrow, and see who's right.

    I say a 500k loss

  6. #286
    I cannot believe people are still dense enough in this thread to think Blizzard would LIE About their statistics.

    It's Illegal to lie about your quarterly numbers, Yes, ILLEGAL.

    Illegal, Punishable by LAW, People can go to JAIL

    What does it matter? Tomorrow will come, Blizz will say they lost maybe 100k at best and we get an incoming slew of "WOW IS DYING LOLOLOLOLOL" and

    "WOW IS DEAD GO PLAY GW2 LOLOLOLOL" Threads.
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  7. #287
    i bet something about there blackstone project

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    I predict sub numbers to be at pre MoP level, just north from 9 mil.

  9. #289
    This should be interesting.

  10. #290
    250k gain is my prediction.

    ---------- Post added 2013-02-06 at 03:22 PM ----------

    No....make that a 400k gain.

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    Small loss of maybe 2 or 3% of subscriptions; next quarter will be more interesting to see if the game's current direction is widely accepted - or not.

  12. #292
    Whatever is said will be picked apart until all context is lost, elaborate conspiracy theorys have formed, and a short memorial service for "the death of wow" will be performed.

  13. #293
    I am kind of hoping they do not release any sub numbers to spite all the haters. I could be wrong all they need to do is post actual financial information and what their direction to continue being profitable. I am sure they can leave out Sub numbers. Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow came and went and we still have no idea what the sub count is. :P

  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    I am kind of hoping they do not release any sub numbers to spite all the haters. I could be wrong all they need to do is post actual financial information and what their direction to continue being profitable. I am sure they can leave out Sub numbers. Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow came and went and we still have no idea what the sub count is. :P
    Omitting to mention the sub numbers would send out a clear message that there has been major losses. And doing so to spite all the haters good god they are running a business not having a playground dispute.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    I am kind of hoping they do not release any sub numbers to spite all the haters. I could be wrong all they need to do is post actual financial information and what their direction to continue being profitable. I am sure they can leave out Sub numbers. Wouldn't it be funny if tomorrow came and went and we still have no idea what the sub count is. :P
    Sadly that wont happen, Unless MMO-Champion decides to not post them than we all know that will start the conspiracy saying Blizzard is scare blah blah, So its better off just post them & get through the shit storm or have that day were it just a normal day and nothing as changed.

    Its one of the reasons I got over the sub numbers thing as it doesn't the game for me. People just get to worked up over nothing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pann View Post
    Omitting to mention the sub numbers would send out a clear message that there has been major losses. And doing so to spite all the haters good god they are running a business not having a playground dispute.
    Has every single conference call, even the ones before people started paying attention had sub info? I'm not too sure about that. They clearly stated huge losses before when they increased revenues during the same time. Yet that did nothing. Walls did not crumble and stockholders did not leave in exodus.

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    I believe they will release the active account numbers, since Vivendi will want to know them, and Vivendi cannot be told without also telling the other shareholders. The easiest way to release them in a neutral manner is during the quarterly earnings event.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefhamer View Post
    Has every single conference call, even the ones before people started paying attention had sub info? I'm not too sure about that. They clearly stated huge losses before when they increased revenues during the same time. Yet that did nothing. Walls did not crumble and stockholders did not leave in exodus.
    We are talking about an Activision Blizzard conference call here and Activision Blizzard is a newish construct. For Vivendi, WoW was one IP within that strange american videogames division, making nice profits but not exactly the core of the company. For Activision Blizzard however, the importance of WoW cannot possibly be overstated.

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by thevoicefromwithin View Post
    We are talking about an Activision Blizzard conference call here and Activision Blizzard is a newish construct. For Vivendi, WoW was one IP within that strange american videogames division, making nice profits but not exactly the core of the company. For Activision Blizzard however, the importance of WoW cannot possibly be overstated.
    And again, WoW had it's worst year in its history and it did not phase investors at all. You are placing way too much emphasis on sub numbers.

  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by Heresy View Post
    I personally kind of expect a larger drop in accounts this time than the last time.

    The MOP WoW-factor has left a lot of people. There are lots of people fed up with LFR and daily quest grinds. Most of the 1.2 million people with active Annual Passes expired. Some of them probably only bought it to get D3/pet/beta access.

    Going to go out on a limb here and guesstimate around 8.3 mill active subs. Good case I would expect around 9, worst case 7.5 mill.
    There is no way they will that low in the last quarter we had Christmas, MOP has launched in China and 5.1 went live. With all these things I would expect at the very least for the subs to remain constant.

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