Seeing as how in 5.2 the combined might of the Kirin Tor and Silver Cov is only enough to just rival the combined might off the Sunreavers with Quel'thalas, I don't think the Alliance gained much more.
And about Jaina almost killing Thrall, no she didnt. He remarked on how amazed he was that he didn't die, but gave no indication of any pain.
Lorewise, Jaina being a strong Mage doesn't mean much against 6 other powerful mages. She would stilll die if theyattacked her just as she attacked them (re. Sylvanas getting one shot)
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In war, yes that entire country would get punished in some way. This isnt set in present day standards, where we are more level headed and forgiving, this takes place in a fantasy medieval setting. Do you really think people would argue what Jaina did if this were an issue 1000y ago?
there are still ppl giving a fuck about theramore? garrosh? is shit and jaina too i really hope blizz will give me a chance to kick her ass.
Lol. Well i mean WoW is stuck in some time loop where they h/ave primitive weapons on one end, and technology greater than we have tday on the other, but at it's heart with humans riding horseback only and ships only and still living in castles, its obvious where the insipiration is from.
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Why are we even talking about Kirin Tor vs. Sunreavers? They are going on a truce after 5.2, Garrosh is the main target.
If we're going to see elements of raid bosses have ramifications for the story after the fact, then good. Makes the whole narrative seem like a more cohesive whole. Reminds me of how they brought back the Reliquary of Souls for the warlock thing and had his fancy room contain ramifications for the entire BC storyline.
Kinda hoping we'll then see Elegon's construct generator machinery moved from the Mogu'Shan vaults to Orgrimmar and installed in the ragefire chasms. Make a great arena for the final boss fight.
Okay one part where he mentions pain. But even then, right before that, he prepares for worse pain. I didnt say she didnt try to, I said she couldn't. You were saying her being 'the most powerful mage' (hai azshara), meant Aethas and 5 sunreavers couldnt kill her. I was showing how she clearly isnt all powerful, as she couldnt even kill Thrall. (Who given is strong, but is still one man)
Their standards are far beyond medievil standards we had. Even then people would have discussed it more likely (those who new) In this setting the people are far more advanced both culturally and technologically. You can't compare the two. Like I said her actions shock even varian, it says so in the quest line. So please think a little bit more about it
Couple of things I'd like to point out.
1. The civilians WERE evacuated from Theramore by ship.
2. Jaina was under the effects of the mana bomb and dealing with the grief of having her entire city destroyed in an instant. While she still 'wrestles with her anger every day' she is not as crazed as she was when fighting Thrall. Even now, most of her hateful comments are aimed at Garrosh. 'There can be no lasting peace so long as garrosh hellscream is warchief,' 'the kirin tor will come down so hard on garrosh his ancestors will reel,' 'bring the walls of orgrimmar crashing down around garrosh.' Jaina's certainly not back where she was before the bombing of Theramore, but she's not in the same state of mind she was in when planning to destroy Orgrimmar either.
Civilians were evacuated and many chose not to leave. I'm not arguing Theramore wasn't a valid target, in fact I specifically left that part out because I don't want to get into another "was Theramore an okay target debate" I want to keep this as on-topic as I can without beating the dead horse on a related issue.
What could she have honestly done?
Garrosh went through with his, Jaina didn't. Why are you bringing this up?
I take it those spies were also orc citizens who abused their position within Orgrimmar? Apples and oranges. What you're comparing is completely different.
Which would ultimately accomplish less. Working completely as one is much better.
I seriously initially replied with the hope that destruction of Theramore or purge wouldn't have to be discussed again....
I'm actually getting tired of repeated discussions over it, I just want to move onto the 5.2 stuff.
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Actually try to stop him? Thrall didn't just walk away saying, "I can't watch this" when he confronted Jaina. Thrall threw all his might at stopping her, he was willing to die to save his people and her soul.
So it's okay for Jaina to coerce orcs to work for her, then throws a hissy fit when Garrosh coerces her people to work for him?
Worked just fine when they defeated the Lich King. The Alliance didn't join the Horde, the Horde didn't join the Alliance. They remained autonomous, but worked together.
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I never said she was 'the most powerful mage'.
She very easily could have killed Thrall. By the end of the battle, Thrall was spent and couldn't defend himself anymore. He used up all his energy holding back the tsunami and fighting her up to that point. She was even draining his energy directly because the Focusing Iris allowed her to control his spells.
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Yep, trying to stop the prince from murdering his people is treason. Why the fuck does that matter? She knows it's wrong, she says it's wrong, ...she walks away.
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And in case you forgot, Kirin Tor mages were ready to put up shields and quarantine the plague.
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Really? We are going as back as established plot for more than 10 years to a "Lets blame Jaina!" game?
It would be treason. To the point Arthas disbanded the Knights of the Silver Hand just because Uther also refused to follow him.
And Kirin Tor mages couldn't done anything to stop the Scourge. Again, Mal'Ganis would gain a huge undead army in Stratholme and roll over Lordaeron.