It only showed better on Simulationcraft, which has been notoriously known to be a steaming pile of garbage for hunters. Femaledwarf simulated the hunter specs far better, and had Surv ahead of the other two in DS. Even NOW, it's a steaming pile of garbage. Go and take a look at the SV profile for example, see how many errors you can spot because no good hunters are helping them with BiS lists, etc...
Just for emphasis, I'll go ahead and write it up:
509 tier over 516 heroic elite.
Sunwrought (Tsulong) chest over tier.
Random-drop belt over sha belt.
Relic of Xuen over bottle of infinite stars.
Hands are enchanted with haste.
Taoren is reforged out of mastery into crit instead of out of haste (and alot of other idiotic reforges that prioritizes haste over mastery).
I will also save you the trouble and tell you that BM is much the same (except they got the tier pieces and shoulders right this time... But used the 509 jagged hornet bracers which are only aviable through the BMAH if incredibly lucky as part of the BiS setup. Still using wrong belt, trinket, stat priority, etc).
No hunter worth anything listens to that site - except maybe Devai, because he seems intent on claiming the relic > the bottle... For whatever reason he thinks it's better (I have literally had 8 people ask me that question because of him and his stream <___<)
Use FD to simulate the average dps you'll do and you get a much clearer picture. And it's usually ten times more accurate than SC.
This is a completly valid concern in a singletarget fight. With a base focus regen of 6 per second (due to haste+viper venow), 3 non-cost arcane shots are atleast 18 focus gained. Explo shot has a 6 sec cd so it is not a reliable dump, neither is glaive toss, BA or anything else you have - the only "reliable dump" apart from arcane shot, is multishot. The main issue here isn't exactly overcapping focus, but rather, that with a 30% chance to proc from any given attack, if triggered at high focus, the chances of overwriting TOTH procs becomes VERY likely.And to the people speaking against ToTH rofl just listen to yourselves and you'll realize how stupid you sound. Atleast come up with decent arguments.. "Oh well this talent gives me SO many arcane shots that I don't even have time to use them all" Yea.. too many arcane shots.. definitely a bad thing eh ? morons..
This is not in itself an issue, because as long as you're always firing the highest-damaging shot on cooldown, you're not losing dps (no matter how much focus you lose out on). Worst case scenario, you have to recast serpent sting, but TOTH can proc at "bad" times, fervor is 100% in your control. It is however an issue when it doesn't proc when you "need" it.
Been playing around with Fervor lately because of general oppinion, and while I still prefer TOTH on heavy-multishot fights as windlord and sha of fear, I can see the reasoning behind fervor for "burst", although there's less of it than there is with TOTH.
This is not true. Whether you are reactive or non-reactive, fervor still provides a bigger DPS boost.It's just based on playstyle.. If you're a reactive player, ToTH is slightly better. If you are a non-reactive player who likes to plan things out then fervor might be better for you. Regardless, they are both roughly equal, with the potential gain of ToTH being much higher due to 'good' rng. But even with bad rng it isn't behind much.
Here's a log with me and another Surv hunter on garalon:
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...?s=9351&e=9678
He's using TOTH, I'm using fervor. I missed one application as I start with the pheromones and thus focus more on positioning at the start so the rest of our raid can get to dps properly, instead of blowing all CD's and topping the deeps. With 10 applications of Fervor, I'd get 1K focus. It can also be argued I misssed another as I only got to use one readiness in this fight (5 min 26 sec kill), as my readiness was not used till 30 seconds in (after I'd given off my pheromones).
So 1100 focus.
Kayman gained 19 thrill of the hunts, alot of them overlapping, giving him 1140 focus without any stacks wasted if all used. So as you can see, the amount of focus gained from both skills are laughably close. The main difference here is the fact that your PET gains 100 energy per fervor, too, which leads to far more specials, and more DPS. You won't get more out of TOTH with "good" rng than you will with fervor, fervor is simply a more skill-based talent (have to use it on CD and bleed your focus before using it in order to take full advantage, TOTH just procs and you spam your button with no thinking), and thus it gives a higher return on your DPS if used correct.
I never heard of sanqui, but looking at him, alot of his ranks are iffy at best. He ranks highly with specs that no one plays on the specific encounter because it hurts the raid, thus lowering the competition to the people who are desperate enough for a high rank to put their raid in danger (BM for sha of fear? Why?), or he just straight out whores like a maniac (Protectors and tsulong are two obvious one's, he's AOE'ing stuff like a maniac while the rest of the raid carries him to greatness).Now, with all that being said.. it means nothing when it comes to actual results. To me atleast, no matter how logical something is or how much sims favor something, I won't be convinced.. What convinces me is real in-game numerical evidence. And that sides with fervor. Majority of the top parses of SV have hunters using fervor. Including Rogerbrown (25m) Kennyloggins (25m) and Sanqui (10m). Rogerbrown and kenny being MS BM hunters who recently switched to SV. While Sanqui has been SV for majority of this tier. And he seems to be going Crit>Haste>Mastery for some reason. But in the end though it really boils down to playstyle.
That being said, a few of his ranks are legit (vizier), but it's very hard to compare 10 and 25 man - his rank 5 on vizier for surv has him at 107K dps, I got rank 5 on 25 man yesterday with 117K. It's quite a huge difference, so can't be alot of competition going on in 10 mans - or atleast, it's not logged (and yes, I am brushing survival off in anticipation of 5.2 - LONG LIVE THE NEW KING SPEC!).
Point being, don't look at the top loggers and just assume they're right. Most of the times, they're whoring while the rest of the raid carries them. Sometimes they'll change their talents around afterwards just to mess with you. I still remember ensidia's hunters always being logged out in hardcast-Aimshot spec during firelands on raggy progress, and I can't believe they actually did that.