The kid is the catalyst and we learn on Thessia that the catalyst is key to the crucible's design. We later learn that the Citadel is somehow the catalyst when we assault Cerberus Head Quarters. Only the holographic projection is introduced in the last 5 minutes but the Catalyst has always been the key making the Crucible function and as the way to solve the problem.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
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Yeah, unfortunately for me, the way you choose your ending broke the immersion I had. And I would of liked to be able to confront the star-kid on it's weak logic (and perhaps turned the ending into something more enjoyable), I mean I sat there totally dumbfounded by how weak the reasoning was.
At least I can shoot the star-kid now, but that ending feels mostly like a slap in the face to be honest. It doesn't address the issue I had.
But I've moved on, and I never affiliated myself with those who "demanded" a new ending (if you're wondering), but I did try and get my opinion heard.
"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
The reasoning came from a side quest in Mass Effect 1.
The catalyst introduced a new conflict within the last 5 minutes, which is why he is so sorely hated. For 2 games and 99% of the 3rd, the conflict was stopping the reapers against all odds. The last 1% was some convoluted organics versus synthetics mumbo jumbo.
First of all your changing criteria once again. We were talking about the star child now were talking about the catalyst. The catalyst is not a god like figure nor is the star child. Shepard concludes the story by making his final decisions. Furthermore you know about the catalyst the entire game and it has always been the objective you sought out to resolve the reaper conflict. It's not a surprise that's what it was designed to do.
The Star child doesn't wave his hand and conclude the story. The Crucible does that by simply docking with the Citadel. The star child does nothing but tell us what the Crucible is doing. Neither are sudden or unexpected to the resolution of the problem. We've known that the Catalyst and Crucible will solve the problem of the Reapers since the start of the game so that isn't unexpected either.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
This has been discussed to death for well over a year. But since we're doing it...
My biggest grip about the ending of ME3 is the introduction of the Star Brat. Had the concept of his existance been introduced earlier or hinted at, then it might have held together. And no, I don't consider the AI taking the form of a child Shepard was torn up over as "introduced earlier". I am still all for having a dialogue ending with no boss fight, that is ok. But I would have preferred to have a conversation with...Harbinger. Shepard, bleeding out, and Harbinger destroying the fleet would engage in a final philosophical debate. The choices would remain, but Harbinger would attempt to sway and reason with Shepard, maybe even taunting him at times. Ultimately, there would be one final "tough choice" to make, but it would be with a familiar antagonist.
I've seen a lot of really good alternative endings people have come up with, and most all trump the ending that the game shipped with. But the one thing that I disagree with above all is that Shepard should have a chance to live. In my opinion, for the story to work, Shepard has to die by the end. Hopefully his death is a noble sacrifice, but the rammifications of Shepard surviving are just too great.
He didn't introduce a new conflict in the last 5 minutes. It's the same conflict that's been a central theme of mass effect since the first game. Technological singularity. Organics vs synthetics has been around since mass effect 1. In fact that's the biggest problem I have with the start child. You should be able to at least sue for peace between them like you did on Rannoch. You should be able to say look what I did with the geth and quarians. Nothing new is added though. Theirs no mumbo jmbo. If you haven't been paying attention to the story (as I strongly suspect you haven't after reading your posts) then I suggest you go back and go through it again.
Last edited by Leonard McCoy; 2013-02-25 at 08:42 PM.
Just because old greek stories involved gods stopping the big problem doesn't make a god a crucial part of a deus ex machina, a deus ex machina is when a being appears out of nowhere and solves a problem, Vigil is a DEM, as he gives you the means of stopping the reapers from going through the citadel, the catalyst isn't, as he's not the problem solver, the crucible is.
The Normandy wasn't introduced out of no where nor does it suddenly solve a problem. Vigil appears on Illos for the sole purpose of providing Shepard the means to defeat (or attempt to defeat) Saraen and Sovereign. That is text book Deus Ex Machina. Just because you don't want to accept it doesn't mean you need to act all silly.
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
"Man is his own star. His acts are his angels, good or ill, While his fatal shadows walk silently beside him."-Rhyme of the Primeval Paradine AFC 54
You know a community is bad when moderators lock a thread because "...this isnt the place to talk about it either seeing as it will get trolled..."
Yes, it was rather odd when the game basically layed it out for you how to make peace between AI & organics work (the Legion memory mission). And depending on your choices, you had already realized those plans.
Then the star-kid shows up and says "Nope!". Maybe if we could of confronted it with these facts, the Reapers would implode because of the errors in logic.
"In order to maintain a tolerant society, the society must be intolerant of intolerance." Paradox of tolerance