Have MSNBC become too liberal !

[MerinPally]

I am pretty sure if you stuff a pressure cooker full of gunpowder and shrapnel and then have an igniter go off inside the thing it doesn't turn into kittens.

Technically Kujako is the only person correct so far because of what an explosion actually is but... yeah Nothing explodes without some kind of container to build up pressure, you just get a huge roaring fire. Hell, Pig Manure or compost would do it. Got a little compost bin in your kitchen to put food scraps in which you'll then go throw in the garden after a while? Our current one has 2 little slats cut into the top with foam underneath. Our old one had no such thing and a tight fitting plastic lid. Due to the gas released in decomposition, in the middle of the night you'd hear a popping noise and in the morning find the lid had burst off. Tada, explosion - not a fiery one but is actually

[Cthulhu 2020]

Actually, just gotta point out that I'm not actually AGAINST owning guns. I just think that gun ownership, just like driving, should be treated as a privilege, rather than right.

Most rights are like that in the way that if you commit a crime, you forfeit some of your rights. Obviously a few rights apply no matter what.

[Bakis]

Yes, please keep preaching gun control and illegal immigration when far and away the majority of the country is more concerned about the economy and jobs. That's a winning recipe, just like it was in 2010 when the idiots in Washington spent two years passing a healthcare plan no one wanted.

It's will be nice getting the Senate back next year.

You are funny Scott, it seem that in your world an attempt to a gun reform cant be initiated at the same time as dealing with the economy.
"Dont walk and breath at the same time, it cant be done!"

[MerinPally]

Yes, please keep preaching gun control and illegal immigration when far and away the majority of the country is more concerned about the economy and jobs. That's a winning recipe, just like it was in 2010 when the idiots in Washington spent two years passing a healthcare plan no one wanted.

What people want, does not necessarily equal what is either beneficial or required, by the country. It just makes it harder to get it put into place. Also, it is possible to discuss and amend more than one thing at a time. Multitasking really is a thing and men have mastered it too now

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yes, please keep preaching gun control and illegal immigration when far and away the majority of the country is more concerned about the economy and jobs. That's a winning recipe, just like it was in 2010 when the idiots in Washington spent two years passing a healthcare plan no one wanted.

It's will be nice getting the Senate back next year.

I'm pretty sure everyone realizes that going red is not the answer to the economy. As has been stated, the red heavily supports extreme wealth accumulation, and Fox is the mouth piece for those with the wealth telling people that their tax money goes to welfare, when really it's going to pay off a massive debt incurred by Bush's wars.

[ScottsdaleHokie]

Let me ask you this in all honesty before I totally disregard you as someone not worth talking to.

Please do, the feeling is mutual.

What gun is AR-15 based upon.
Is its features focused around putting out the most fire power with the most accuracy ie. combat situtation or killing moles in your backyard or shoot a burglerer?

If you are that bad(?) at aiming why not go for a shotgun?

It's no different than a pistol or any other semi-automatic weapon. It fires one bullet/one trigger pull.

[Bakis]

It's no different than a pistol or any other semi-automatic weapon. It fires one bullet/one trigger pull.

So I guess a sports car is no different from a station wagon, they are both meant to take you places.
Correct?

[JustinJgh]

Except the AR-15 isn't a "military grade weapon." Oooooooo... it looks scary, so it must be more dangerous!
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Except that statement is totally fucking stupid considering military weaponry advances, and advances. Pretty soon weapons in the military now will not be considered military grade weapons. You should be able to own those too. And hey soon fucking lazer guns and shit won't be military grade, citizens of mmurica in the future should be able to kill each other with those just like the golden days of m4-carbines and mk-17s. That's stupid and deep down you have to know it. If it shoots bullet after bullet after bullet. It should be fucking illegal. Yes all guns can kill people, but it shouldn't be as easy as pull the trigger and mow down 20 fucking people no training; no nothing just a fucking gun. THIS is what common sense gun laws means. What the hell do you need that type of weapon for? And does the need for the use of that type of weapon really outweigh the fact that someone can just walk up into a mall and take out scores of people with little training and effort, no planning or plotting, just a gun.

When is it important to you, you haven't been in a situation where you could have been killed by some loon just because, but when you are in that situation, if you survive, you will understand. People need to get out of that ignorant selfish mindset, and yes we do need to MOVE FORWARD as a country and as PEOPLE.

This is REALLY easy.

[namelessone]

Yes, please keep preaching gun control and illegal immigration when far and away the majority of the country is more concerned about the economy and jobs. That's a winning recipe, just like it was in 2010 when the idiots in Washington spent two years passing a healthcare plan no one wanted.

It's will be nice getting the Senate back next year.

The problem with economy and jobs is that NEITHER party has any idea how to fix it. So they both go after fringe voter groups. Republicans are not offering any solutions either, unless you consider laughable "trickle down" BS a solution.

[Payday]

MSNBC is obviously liberal and openly touts that.
Fox News is obviously conservative, yet claims to be unbiased.

Feel free to dispute this.

That's the crux of the biscuit.

[JustinJgh]

Yes, please keep preaching gun control and illegal immigration when far and away the majority of the country is more concerned about the economy and jobs. That's a winning recipe, just like it was in 2010 when the idiots in Washington spent two years passing a healthcare plan no one wanted.

It's will be nice getting the Senate back next year.

That's fantastic and all but we aren't stupid WE ALL KNOW that it was YOUR PARTY that fucked up the jobs, and YOUR PARTY that fucked up the economy after Clinton had us rolling ( who you guys impeached )

And nobody wanted. We just had an election go ahead and see who won. Keep in your Fox news bubble you hill billy retard and suck that rich mans cock.

Infracted - please refrain from flaming others

[Redmage]

The problem with economy and jobs is that NEITHER party has any idea how to fix it. So they both go after fringe voter groups. Republicans are not offering any solutions either, unless you consider laughable "trickle down" BS a solution.

The problem with this country in general is both parties would rather see the nation burn to the ground around them than let the other party get credit for doing ANYTHING regardless of how good it is.

[ScottsdaleHokie]

So I guess a sports car is no different from a station wagon, they are both meant to take you places.
Correct?

It you really think that this is in anyway relevent, you're aren't worth the time, sorry.

[Moadar]

THIS is what common sense gun laws means. What the hell do you need that type of weapon for? And does the need for the use of that type of weapon really outweigh the fact that someone can just walk up into a mall and take out scores of people with little training and effort, no planning or plotting, just a gun.

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Common sense is not giving guns to drug dealers and murderers but yet this administration did it.

[Deleted]

Do you want me to tell you a story about an abortion doctor that kills newborns, the President, Planned Parenthood and the Democrat party that sanctions their actions? There are dead HUMAN babies involved. It makes me cry.

Don't touch on abortion, abortion is a woman's RIGHT. To me a foetus isn't a human untill it can think.

[Masark]

I guess you still can't fathom the fact that NOTHING in the bill(s) that failed yesterday would have done anything to prevent Sandy Hook, or any other future mass shootings.

Please clarify why "must be capable of preventing Sandy Hook" is a definitive necessity in a gun control bill rather than one with measures that will help with the one-and-a-half-or-so-Sandy-Hooks-per-day issue you've got.

[Bakis]

It you really think that this is in anyway relevent, you're aren't worth the time, sorry.

"Just because a gun* looks mean, doesn't mean it's more dangerous. It's still one bullet per trigger pull, just like a pistol."
Is apperently different from this statement:
"So I guess a sports car is no different from a station wagon, they are both meant to take you places."


* speaking of AR-15

[JustinJgh]

The economy is an easy fix, legalize hemp and marijuana, raise minimum wage, and leave taxes as is. It eliminates the need for massive safety net, spreads the wealth AUTOMATICALLY, encourages people to work because then they'll know they can make it, and is also a massive stimulus because every single one of us Americans is -snip- rich and when we have money we spend it. It cycles right on through and the boat keeps rolling, we leave taxes as is and naturally return balance. (Because this isn't normal, in fact people not having enough money is the problem, but it's not like there just isn't enough money, THAT MONEY EXISTS, it's just being hoarded by people who don't need it and don't use it) YOU INCREASE MINIMUM WAGE you blanket fix everything. And rich will bitch, and threaten, but they'll realize they still have it pretty fucking good and they don't want to lose their shit to more understanding business owners who hire and staff with the proper amount of people so they'll eat it to not effect service in anyway. Doesn't matter what you do they still need to run their business if they want to stay wealthy they'll be pissy for a week then realize they're retarded.

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Common sense is not giving guns to drug dealers and murderers but yet this administration did it.
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such an easy argument. Tackle a well thought out post with one EXTREME sentence.

[Annoying]

Except the AR-15 isn't a "military grade weapon." Oooooooo... it looks scary, so it must be more dangerous!
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Except that statement is totally fucking stupid considering military weaponry advances, and advances. Pretty soon weapons in the military now will not be considered military grade weapons. You should be able to own those too. And hey soon fucking lazer guns and shit won't be military grade, citizens of mmurica in the future should be able to kill each other with those just like the golden days of m4-carbines and mk-17s. That's stupid and deep down you have to know it. If it shoots bullet after bullet after bullet. It should be fucking illegal. Yes all guns can kill people, but it shouldn't be as easy as pull the trigger and mow down 20 fucking people no training; no nothing just a fucking gun. THIS is what common sense gun laws means. What the hell do you need that type of weapon for? And does the need for the use of that type of weapon really outweigh the fact that someone can just walk up into a mall and take out scores of people with little training and effort, no planning or plotting, just a gun.

When is it important to you, you haven't been in a situation where you could have been killed by some loon just because, but when you are in that situation, if you survive, you will understand. People need to get out of that ignorant selfish mindset, and yes we do need to MOVE FORWARD as a country and as PEOPLE.

This is REALLY easy.

I have no idea how I went to bed and woke up to this thread being about gun control.

What you're talking about is nonsensical slippery slope junk. Automatic firearms have been illegal since 1986, and no one wants to change that. There is functionally no difference between any modern semi-automatic weapons. Tell me, which of these two: (1)(2) is an assault weapon and which is a hunting rifle? Why?

[Cthulhu 2020]

The problem with economy and jobs is that NEITHER party has any idea how to fix it. So they both go after fringe voter groups. Republicans are not offering any solutions either, unless you consider laughable "trickle down" BS a solution.

If anyone STILL believes the trickle down effect works after it has been definitively proven that companies take tax breaks and... shove that money into their CEO's and overseas bank accounts, not new employees, you can definitively write that person off as completely lost to right wing propaganda and ignorant of any kind of reality.