Every Man for Himself - Time to Go?

[Baracuda]

EMFH needs to be made baseline but it won't happen since blizzard loves the $$$ from the FOTM race changes, same with broken realm populations and transfers. The worst counter-argument is: some horde racials are also OP, I.E. let's do nothing about anything(2 wrongs make 1 right). Fix ALL OP racials. When comparing all races the human racial isn't superior but when comparing alliance racials, it is. Being forced into any race for any reason except looks/flavour is bad(well then it's hardly to be forced). Any mandatory racial is BAD!

I and many others have asked Holinka about this but it seems they have no intention to fix this, looking at his answers. If we keep bringing it up they might actually give a shit.

[Choptimus]

Remove racials from races and allow players to pick one from Tier 1, 2 from Tier 2 (put big ones in t1, minor ones like herbing in t2) and let everybody pick the bonus they want.

I think I just balanced the game. That was hard.

[Kuniku]

Remove racials from races and allow players to pick one from Tier 1, 2 from Tier 2 (put big ones in t1, minor ones like herbing in t2) and let everybody pick the bonus they want.

I think I just balanced the game. That was hard.

thatcs actually not a bad suggestion imo, though i'm pretty sure there would still be a 'mandatory' T1 racial for both PvE and PvP in there - would you be able to respec racials? or would you need to have a seperate pvp and pve toon? =p

[Glurp]

The best PvP guilld on US is on Horde so I don't know what your issue with it is. Any high rated player knows that racials like Shadowmeld, Will of the Forsaken, Blood Fury and Berserking are much better than the Human Racial. Every time I see someone complaining about the Human racial it's because they got facerolled by geared players in 2s and blame it on OP RACIAL OMG NERF EVERYTHING THAT ISN'T ME.

[Kazgrel]

For the overall health of the game, I've been saying all these racials needed to go since at least Wrath. I remember where every horde guild's tanks HAD to be tauren due to the substantial HP boost that racial granted back then (which was later nerfed to oblivion). Humans had lolPerception back then and WotF was on what, a 45 second cd making you immune to fear/charm sleep for 15-20 seconds?

I would rather just see racials hit the road, grant the EMFH trinket racial to each race, so that no one can be like "oh noes I don't have a trinket". It's one of the few good things SWTOR did that WoW could learn from.

[Tyrean]

I really just wish we could pick our race based on the look/feel and have the racials become a sort of secondary talent system that you can pick and choose from. I think if you had more flexibility it would actually be more fun and I am not so sure anyone really cares about the RPG aspect of the uniqueness of your race.

[Dristereau]

Don't honestly see the point in changing it unless the racials are jumping ship entirely. They tried giving it a longer cooldown in Wrath and reverted that when they realized it's daft. I like it more for low level PVP (When heirloom trinket is five mins, changing in 5.3) and for PVE mechanics. Racials add a little flavour to the game, and can make things more fun (Reckstorm Worgen with Darkflight anyone?). I'm not saying it's not a good racial for PVP, it's just the Horde has better ones. Undead and Orc are amazing for PVP, and Tauren have a stun, Belf's a silence and Trolls berserking. Each racial is nice to have, and I've never considered EMFH as crazy, no matter which faction I play. Just accept it for what it is, a nice perk. If you actually enjoy playing a different race, then just play it.

[Drithien]

It's time to go was years ago... In fact every racial should go. You should play a race because you like the looks not because you like the racial.

If you don't like racial abilities then go play a first-person shooter instead. Then you can have your "cosmetic skins" and balance. World of WarCraft is a role-playing game. And in role-playing games every feature that helps to enhance the feel of a character is welcome, even if it is somewhat over/under-powered. Races are NOT "just skins". And neither is it right to change them to just that to satisfy some much sought out, but never found balance, all the while taking away from the role-playing elements of the game.

I think that it should be either replaced, or every race should be reworked to have some strong(er) racial abilities: passive and active. More safety and less excitement is exactly what this game does not need right now, after so much dumping down and streamlining. It's supposed to be a fantasy game, not digital chess.

[Lulbalance]

Remove racials from races and allow players to pick one from Tier 1, 2 from Tier 2 (put big ones in t1, minor ones like herbing in t2) and let everybody pick the bonus they want.

I think I just balanced the game. That was hard.

i'm probably one of the few people who doesnt like this idea.. i saw someone above point out there will be clear cut 'must haves' and thats true..but i just hate the way game is already homogenized in the name of 'fairness'.

race exclusive items is sort of the last gasp of old wow imo.

[Merite]

IMO you should be able to choose racial with a minor glyph or something, they are down right overpowered. Having gotten glad 9 times, I would far prefer WOTF over EMFH in most cases. I think either allowing racials to be chosen on the fly or giving everyone the same thing / taking everything away would make PvP better, but blizzard would likely lose out on a lot of race changes, so they probably won't do it.

[Korgoth]

Playing Human last expansion with the ability to mix and match trinkets showed me how flawed the PvP trinket design is. Having a mandatory trinket in PvP removes player choice, makes the game less interesting. Every Man for Himself should become baseline for everyone and a new Racial given to humans (like Old School Perception!).

[Lulbalance]

Playing Human last expansion with the ability to mix and match trinkets showed me how flawed the PvP trinket design is. Having a mandatory trinket in PvP removes player choice, makes the game less interesting. Every Man for Himself should become baseline for everyone and a new Racial given to humans (like Old School Perception!).

increased stealth detection... really? for EMFH? good trade :/.

[Dumaw]

Well, horde has better racials for both pvp/pve.

I don't think they should eliminate racials, but they should make them in a way that they all could be equaly good, so we wouldn't have to see the same races in every tournament, and in the game in general.

I believe the game would only win if we could all see dwarves, gnomes, goblins and etc in high lvl pvp. I don't know why Blizzard makes such distinctions.

[Deleted]

Those racials aren't mandatory. Will of the forsaken pretty much was at some point tho.

Some of them pretty much are if you want to play on higher ratings competitively. Not picking them puts you at a severe disadvantage.

When comparing all races the human racial isn't superior but when comparing alliance racials, it is. Being forced into any race for any reason except looks/flavour is bad(well then it's hardly to be forced). Any mandatory racial is BAD!

So what you are saying is that Horde racials are through the bench better than the Alliance one's and so in the overall picture EMFH is actually in line if not weaker than some of them. But that shouldn't matter since it should only be compared to Alliance racials since it forces Alliance people to play human because it is pretty much the ONLY decent PvP racials they have. But instead of bringing the others up to par your idea is to ruin the only decent Alliance PvP racial they have? Sounds logical!

increased stealth detection... really? for EMFH? good trade :/.

Well it would still be better than higher running speed as night elf, right?

[Nopkplease]

It's time to go was years ago... In fact every racial should go. You should play a race because you like the looks not because you like the racial.

We should also get rid of classes while we are at it. Everyone should also have the exact same gear in PvE and PvP. We should do away with the Auction Houses and just have each player be given equal monthly allowances of gold and supplies.

DOWN WITH CAPITALISM! WE CAN CREATE THE PERFECT SOCIALIST SOCIETY!

[Orly]

Only if it goes down along with the orc, troll and undead racials. Sorry, EMFH is fine. They should buff the other alliance racials instead, so that OP and others like him (which probably play horde) would stop wondering why they encounter only humans as far as alliance goes.

[Vasti]

Just scrap ALL racials in pvp and be done with it....in pve the influence in neglible for most so leave it as is there.

[Deleted]

I think it should stay, and that all racials should be something a little overpowered. Dwarves' stoneform should become a bubble. Night Elves' shadowmeld should become a stealth mode. Taurens' war stomp should become intimidating shout. Will of the Forsaken should provide fear immunity for 30 seconds. They add flavour to the game, increase diversity and create different combinations and challenges.

[Kazgrel]

Just scrap ALL racials in pvp and be done with it....in pve the influence in neglible for most so leave it as is there.

Because most all dps in top Horde guilds switched to troll for the...looks? Not the 5% extra damage on 4 out of 13 bosses. Nah, why would they do that, it's only 4 of 13...

[Calibar]

Remove 75% of cc from the game, includes pve as well and I would be alright with them removing it.