Poll: Do you Support Assault Weapons Ban?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    You clearly have no basic understanding of statistics or scientific polling data by independent organizations. You don't agree with the results, so all you have left is to insult the intelligence of the individuals taking the poll.

    Do me a favor, and continue ignoring my posts.

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    I'm not sure I understand what your asking. What venue?

    Pew usually conducts their polls by randomized telephone calls. I guess I'll do the legwork for you:
    Sample size of 1500 people and cell phone users can live in any state.
    I wouldn't accept that poll for shit.
    Also asking for the youngest adult male or female.
    I am supposed to believe that 1500 18 year old's represent the whole nation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Sample size of 1500 people and cell phone users can live in any state.
    I wouldn't accept that poll for shit.
    Also asking for the youngest adult male or female.
    I am supposed to believe that 1500 18 year old's represent the whole nation?
    ..Another person that doesn't understand how scientific polling works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    ..Another person that doesn't understand how scientific polling works.
    It's a pretty bias poll asking for the youngest member of the household with the target audience being 18 years old.
    I bet they have a vast knowledge on the subject.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    ..Another person that doesn't understand how scientific polling works.
    If anything it's telling that we could use better public education, going back to the discussion that was briefly touched on before the 'Pistol grip' debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    You clearly have no basic understanding of statistics or scientific polling data by independent organizations. You don't agree with the results, so all you have left is to insult the intelligence of the individuals taking the poll.

    Do me a favor, and continue ignoring my posts.

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    I'm not sure I understand what your asking. What venue?

    Pew usually conducts their polls by randomized telephone calls. I guess I'll do the legwork for you:
    Hey smart guy, double major in Applied Mathematics w/ Statistics & Probability with a minor in Applied Physics. Yeah, I know what Statistics are. However, you apparently don't understand what "context" is nor the difference between someone slamming "polls."

    Pick a stance and stick with it. If you're going to say that their "poll is scientific" because they used numbers to keep tally then I suppose you're right. However, that's not what you inferred nor were trying to claim. You were attempting to justify the validity of the numbers based on who preformed the poll. However, even Sociology 100 will explain how and or why polls are grossly ineffective at producing valid scientific data.

    Polls, like the one you presented, are worthless in the scientific community because they don't actually answer any questions. They're "great talking points" on Fox or CNN but are actually worthless at understanding the mental perception or views of a population. Not one person in academia, pro gun or anti gun, would use such a piece of shit such as what you posted as "evidence."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugzilla View Post
    Interesting to me about this poll is how many folks would want to ban semi-auto weapons. That is pretty much every non hunting weapon in existence. And how is the support for banning semi auto weapons higher than banning assault weapons, wich according to media nomeclature is only a subset of semi-autos? My guess, people don't really even know what semi auto means.
    It is an interesting poll, it'd be neat to find out what the folks polled were thinking (not in a derogatory way). More favor gunshow background checks than favor preventing the mentally ill from getting guns, as another example...

    Looked through the poll results, didn't see the raw data, so I'm unclear on whether all Form 1 questions were asked of Form 1 respondents, and Form 2 of 2, or if they got two questions from Form 1 (or Form 2).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Svifnymr View Post
    It is an interesting poll, it'd be neat to find out what the folks polled were thinking (not in a derogatory way). More favor gunshow background checks than favor preventing the mentally ill from getting guns, as another example...

    Looked through the poll results, didn't see the raw data, so I'm unclear on whether all Form 1 questions were asked of Form 1 respondents, and Form 2 of 2, or if they got two questions from Form 1 (or Form 2).
    This is why generalized question polls mean nothing. Without proper questions, there isn't a way of knowing where they really "stand" on the issue. Most people don't understand that most hunting rifles and shotguns are "semi-automatic" and instead quickly picture an AK or AR since that is what they are familiar with in the modern media.

    Furthermore, these polls are directly created to push agenda rather than to get proper information. Supporting an idea doesn't mean that people automatically support any and all implementation in order to enable said idea. As I've pointed out before, supporting Capital Punishment doesn't mean you'd support death penalty decisions for jaywalking. However, without the proper quests and testing criteria, the resulting numbers are allowed to reflect whatever the creator wants.

    It was really interesting to read the recent Police statistics which came out over the last few months which showed a very direct and clear message that the majority of officers do not feel proposed gun control measures would either prevent future crime nor save lives. The questions were to the point and painted a very different opinion than legislators would have people believe. However, I suppose since it was only Cops who are the ones who directly deal with the criminal element over say a Senator who is often a white collar crook, their opinion probably wasn't important to people like Fuckstein.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Porcell View Post
    The bill didn't have 90% popularity among Americans. The very generic statement of "I like background checks" has a supposed 90% polling approval rate. There's a difference.
    the bill did not have 90% popularity how many times does this need to be said
    • Washington Post-ABC News poll, April 11-14, 2013: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 86 percent. Oppose: 13 percent.

    • CNN/Opinion Research Corp. poll, April 5-7, 2013: "Some proposals would require a background check on anyone attempting to purchase a gun in order to determine whether the prospective buyer has been convicted of a felony or has a mental health problem. Please tell me whether you would favor or oppose a background check for a prospective gun buyer under each of the following circumstances. ... If the buyer is trying to purchase a gun at a gun show." Favor: 83 percent. Oppose: 17 percent.

    "If the buyer is trying to purchase a gun from another person who is not a gun dealer but owns one or more guns and wants to sell one of them." Favor: 70 percent. Oppose: 29 percent.

    "If the buyer is purchasing a gun from a family member or receiving it as a gift." Favor: 54 percent. Oppose: 45 percent.

    "Please tell me whether you would favor or oppose a background check for anyone who wants to buy ammunition for a gun." Favor: 55 percent. Oppose: 44 percent.

    • Quinnipiac University poll, March 26-April 1, 2013. "Do you support or oppose requiring background checks for all gun buyers?" Support: 91 percent. Oppose: 8 percent.

    • CBS News poll, March 20-24, 2013. "Would you favor or oppose background checks on all potential gun buyers?" Favor: 90 percent. Oppose: 8 percent.

    They get hooked on a number and suddenly nothing else matters. Just like the 40% of gun purchases don't have background checks BULLSHIT.

    They complain that we had over 50% of Americans that supported it so it should have passed. They fail to use the same logic that Obamacare has a 58% disapproval yet were stuck with that.
    It's a good thing we live in a democratic republic where public opinion does matter, and not in a dictatorship where the minority can indefinitely oppose the will of the majority.

    Also, Obamacare being popular has absolutely what to do with background checks? Disconnect and failure of logic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    • Washington Post-ABC News poll, April 11-14, 2013: "Would you support or oppose a law requiring background checks on people buying guns at gun shows or online?" Support: 86 percent. Oppose: 13 percent.



    It's a good thing we live in a democratic republic where public opinion does matter, and not in a dictatorship where the minority can indefinitely oppose the will of the majority.
    Highlighted is extremely important.

    Comment on the second part, go tell that to Blacks and Homosexuals.

    What actually "hurts" me as an American is that there isn't equality at all on this subject. Religion is far more dangerous and deadly both thought history and currently. Yet, we cannot even discuss banning the living shit out of that like we can guns. Hell, we can't even have a discussion which could potentially limit freedom of speech in this country which now is a legal right of corporations. But if it comes to guns, well "FUCK THOSE GUYS!" Because apparently the 100 Million legal gun owning citizens are a "minority" holding up the progress of the rest.

    I can't attend a class, go the gas station, or buy groceries without being constantly bombarded by people "expressing their rights" of religion or free speech, but apparently my owning of something in my home which no one else every has to see is a problem and unreasonable of me.

    Wait a sec, I forgot, this is new American often spelled "Hypocrisy land."

    Actually,
    This does come across as the new "movement" now that Homosexuality has become the "lost war." For a long time the argument was "What does it matter to you what someone does in the privacy of their own home" only to be combated with "But the CHILDREN!!!!!!!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by hakujinbakasama View Post
    Highlighted is extremely important.

    Comment on the second part, go tell that to Blacks and Homosexuals.

    What actually "hurts" me as an American is that there isn't equality at all on this subject. Religion is far more dangerous and deadly both thought history and currently. Yet, we cannot even discuss banning the living shit out of that like we can guns. Hell, we can't even have a discussion which could potentially limit freedom of speech in this country which now is a legal right of corporations. But if it comes to guns, well "FUCK THOSE GUYS!" Because apparently the 100 Million legal gun owning citizens are a "minority" holding up the progress of the rest.

    I can't attend a class, go the gas station, or buy groceries without being constantly bombarded by people "expressing their rights" of religion or free speech, but apparently my owning of something in my home which no one else every has to see is a problem and unreasonable of me.

    Wait a sec, I forgot, this is new American often spelled "Hypocrisy land."

    Actually,
    This does come across as the new "movement" now that Homosexuality has become the "lost war." For a long time the argument was "What does it matter to you what someone does in the privacy of their own home" only to be combated with "But the CHILDREN!!!!!!!"
    1. It's cute that you compare the majority of America wanting more extensive background checks to racism and anti-homosexuality in a giant straw man.

    2. Who said anything about BANNING guns? Oh wait that's right, we can't have have comprehensive background checks because [insert slippery slope nonsense] GUN CONFISCATIONS.

    3. Dear lord can we have a discussion about background checks without false equivalencies, slippery slopes, straw men, and other fallacies? Although I'm not really surprised the right has begun comparing being in the minority on BACKGROUND CHECKS to racism and anti-homosexuality.
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    This poll has an obvious problem that I feel compelled to expand on. Here is the graphic again for convenience sake.



    58% want to ban semi-automatic weapons. I think of the venerable Ruger 10/22. Which btw is even legal in Great Britain as I understand it.

    55% want to ban Assault weapons. I think of an AR-15. These are semi-automatic weapons with "dangerous" features.

    To summarize for those not fluent in firearms, more people should want to ban assault weapons, because assault weapons are the "evil" versions of semi automatic firearms. IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.

    The polling questions must have been poorly phrased, or conducted on a brain dead mass of American wasteland somewhere. It is a shame that these polling outfits don't provide a copy of their actual questionnaire.

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    If more concealed guns were allowed, wouldn't would-be fist fights/bar fights turn into gun fights?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shop Ebay View Post
    If more concealed guns were allowed, wouldn't would-be fist fights/bar fights turn into gun fights?
    That has been the case in a great many states for some time now. And no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugzilla View Post
    To summarize for those not fluent in firearms, more people should want to ban assault weapons, because assault weapons are the "evil" versions of semi automatic firearms. IT DOESN"T MAKE SENSE.
    Actually it makes perfect sense. The vast majority of firearm death occur with semi-auto handguns. There's only a very small minority of firearm deaths that occur from semi-auto assault weapons.

    Therefore, it makes much more sense to want to ban semi-autos than it does just semi-auto assault weapons.

    I don't think you're giving the people enough credit. Saying "people taking the poll are stupid" isn't a valid rebuttal of the poll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deadvolcanoes View Post
    Actually it makes perfect sense. The vast majority of firearm death occur with semi-auto handguns. There's only a very small minority of firearm deaths that occur from semi-auto assault weapons.

    Therefore, it makes much more sense to want to ban semi-autos than it does just semi-auto assault weapons.

    I don't think you're giving the people enough credit. Saying "people taking the poll are stupid" isn't a valid rebuttal of the poll.
    Sir, I will assume for a moment you are not trolling and will attempt to explain again. Banning Semi Autos would also ban "assault weapons," because they are semi-automatic as well. Why would more people want to ban a Ruger 10/22 than ban an AR-15.

    Let me illustrate in a clumsy allegory. %58 percent of all Americans want to ban ground beef. %55 Percent of all Americans want to ban hamburgers. Would that make sense to you?

    I'm sorry the results of this poll don't pass the Jugzilla smell check. I will also assert that when when you use the term "semi-automatic" it confuses people who don't know anything about guns, and some will think we are talking about automatic weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jugzilla View Post
    I'm sorry the results of this poll don't pass the Jugzilla smell check. I will also assert that when when you use the term "semi-automatic" it confuses people who don't know anything about guns, and some will think we are talking about automatic weapons.
    Or you could just accept the winds are blowing a direction you disagree with.

    I mean, me, for example. I absolutely accept your right to arms. But I'm an originalist on this issue, so I'll also accept limiting that right to single shot muzzle loaded muskets.


    Let's all ride the Gish gallop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ugotownd View Post
    Yet again people turning to a paid comedian for a valid view of anything. You bash Fox news as invalid yet a comedian is the end all of knowledge and truth. It takes a special kind of person to even find him funny in the slightest of ways.
    The Daily Show is fucking hilarious, what does that say about me?

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    Lets say you have a two 3 inch lines. One is all red and the other is 48% red and 52% blue. Does that mean there's a 50-50 chance they're both red or is the second line matching the all red line by 48%?
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    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    Or you could just accept the winds are blowing a direction you disagree with.

    I mean, me, for example. I absolutely accept your right to arms. But I'm an originalist on this issue, so I'll also accept limiting that right to single shot muzzle loaded muskets.

    We can spin around this circle if you want. And then of course I will be obliged to go on here about how Originalist i am on the 1st amendment and how it was there to only the protect printed press. That discussion will get us nowhere of course. But hey, your the one at the moment, trying to use the vagueness of the constitution, to limit the rights of citizens. I am sure that is what the founding fathers had in mind, right?

    Also I feel winds are blowing in my direction, so I'm not really mad, I just think your wrong.

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