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  1. #881
    Quote Originally Posted by belfpala View Post
    This one was very different. It was pristine, clean, organized. By all visual signs, it was a very well-run restaurant. That's not what he usually walks into, if you've ever watched the show.
    I think the cleanliness was mostly due to the competent staff, I seriously doubt either of those two ever worked to keep the place clean. And organized? When you only have one guy working the computer system, that's not organized.

    It's clean as all hell, which is surprising. Once worked in a casino resturant that had mold on the floor and grime everywhere, don't even get me started about he warmer months when there were dead flies on everything. But that was really the only positive point that was readily seen, besides the cake which were gotten from a store.

    Besides that, the only staged part that is more clear is the customers sending back dishes. The server does mention that it's not a normal occurance, which probably means they did it simply to get the cameras on them for a second or were told to. But the fod Gordon ate did have problems, so it's a better chance that not many people complained a lot.

    That's how nearly all of the episodes work. Far too many dishes are sent back when the cameras are rolling, far too many to keep the place in business if it was a regular thing. Some of the food Gordon tries is also a bit nitpicky. He rarely ever likes anything he eats, while half the time the food doesn't seem to look as bad as he says it is. Then again, I don't fine dine that often and I'm not an accomplished chef like he is.
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  2. #882
    Besides that, the only staged part that is more clear is the customers sending back dishes. The server does mention that it's not a normal occurance, which probably means they did it simply to get the cameras on them for a second or were told to. But the fod Gordon ate did have problems, so it's a better chance that not many people complained a lot.

    That's how nearly all of the episodes work. Far too many dishes are sent back when the cameras are rolling, far too many to keep the place in business if it was a regular thing. Some of the food Gordon tries is also a bit nitpicky. He rarely ever likes anything he eats, while half the time the food doesn't seem to look as bad as he says it is. Then again, I don't fine dine that often and I'm not an accomplished chef like he is.
    I think you have some good points here in a way.

    Obviously the footage of the show is edited to show the dramatic / interesting parts, people sat eating food, paying and walking out with a "meh" isn't riveting TV, and I suppose some people feel more empowered / attention seeking about complaining when they think they might get on TV. For example, me and my partner went to a mexican restaurant a while back that was pretty bad, the food was totally bland and had no spice or taste - it wasn't horrible, just not good either. We ate up, paid and left, but we won't ever go there again, and tell others not to bother with it. I think this is more likely to be the reaction of your average dissatisfied customer than causing a fuss over a mediocre or poor meal. The fact people are not sending back food means not so much in some ways, especially concerning repeat business.

    Also, you are right that some peoples food standards are not that high, they will eat food that Ramsey wouldn't touch with a stick, and be at least reasonably content with it. It does not mean that the owners of such places should sit back and not try to improve, as there are a lot of customers that will be lost, to find the few people with low standards.

  3. #883
    Quote Originally Posted by Zonas View Post
    I think the cleanliness was mostly due to the competent staff, I seriously doubt either of those two ever worked to keep the place clean. And organized? When you only have one guy working the computer system, that's not organized.

    It's clean as all hell, which is surprising. Once worked in a casino resturant that had mold on the floor and grime everywhere, don't even get me started about he warmer months when there were dead flies on everything. But that was really the only positive point that was readily seen, besides the cake which were gotten from a store.

    Besides that, the only staged part that is more clear is the customers sending back dishes. The server does mention that it's not a normal occurance, which probably means they did it simply to get the cameras on them for a second or were told to. But the fod Gordon ate did have problems, so it's a better chance that not many people complained a lot.

    That's how nearly all of the episodes work. Far too many dishes are sent back when the cameras are rolling, far too many to keep the place in business if it was a regular thing. Some of the food Gordon tries is also a bit nitpicky. He rarely ever likes anything he eats, while half the time the food doesn't seem to look as bad as he says it is. Then again, I don't fine dine that often and I'm not an accomplished chef like he is.
    Ramsay also is rather abrasive. Most chefs are, but he could have gotten his point across in a more diplomatic way in some episodes...although in others he does make more of an effort to take a softer approach.

    After working in restaurants for 4 years during college, nothing in this episode or past episodes of the series surprises me. I've seen filthy kitchens, waiters sleeping with management for better tables/assigned sections, cockroach/vermin issues, management stealing tips, mishandled food (although not as often as one would think), food at high-end restaurants that is supposed to be "fresh made" but was heated up in a microwave, etc. People think stuff like what this woman did in this episode is so shocking...I've seen all of this before, and I'm sure that if I made a career out of working in restaurants, I would have seen a lot more of it.

  4. #884
    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Since they can get more money from the crazier they act it is fair to say they are hamming it up and this is all fake.
    It's a reality show on TV.
    Im not sure how a restaurant with horrible food which even though it appears on TV still has horrible food gets more money from the fact that it was on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Couldn't be Chicago

    Our food is too good for that

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    Only reason I don't want them to lose their business is because of the other workers there.
    It's because Scottsdale is snobsville. Lol. I watched the whole episode. Was great, woman is mental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lockedout View Post
    Lots of restaurants have bad food and bad employees this one was no different.
    One of the reasons Ramsey even went there is because of a bad reputation.
    Once the show was rolling its anything goes because you can do no wrong all the people eating are paid and meal is free.
    I suppose next you're going to say that Ramsay isn't even a real person.

  7. #887
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I suppose next you're going to say that Ramsay isn't even a real person.
    Who have heard of that imaginary country England anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    I suppose next you're going to say that Ramsay isn't even a real person.
    We all know the British aren't actual people. They're made in a factory just to be villains or pretentious people on American television.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grimord View Post
    We all know the British aren't actual people. They're made in a factory just to be villains or pretentious people on American television.
    he's Scottish not British
    Well then get your shit together.
    Get it all together. And put it in a backpack. All your shit. So it’s together. And if you gotta take it somewhere, take it somewhere, you know, take it to the shit store and sell it, or put it in a shit museum, I don’t care what you do, you just gotta get it together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roxinius View Post
    he's Scottish not British
    Scots are Brits. They live on the island of Great Britain. Don't confuse "British" with "English".

  11. #891
    Quote Originally Posted by Frolk View Post
    This GRAND re-opening, where can i watch this, i like to watch trains crash
    They could pull it off if they take into account Ramsey's advice. But if the two episodes are any indication, no chance in hell. They'll go down fighting and flipping off every customer they see.

    It's insane how they can come to the conclusion a food critic saying firmly to them "this pizza is raw" and pointing at the clearly uncooked dough, that the food is just fine, the food critic is just an ass who wants their business closed.

    They seem to be taking up the motto "the customer is always wrong." The real version should be closer to: "The customer is not always right, but they are your source of income, so treat them well, and do what they ask."
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    Having the authority to do a thing doesn't make it just, moral, or even correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Powerogue View Post
    They could pull it off if they take into account Ramsey's advice. But if the two episodes are any indication, no chance in hell. They'll go down fighting and flipping off every customer they see.

    It's insane how they can come to the conclusion a food critic saying firmly to them "this pizza is raw" and pointing at the clearly uncooked dough, that the food is just fine, the food critic is just an ass who wants their business closed.
    Well, the odd thing about this episode is that he left before he even started on the phase of giving out advice. He was still uncovering random crap they were doing.

  13. #893
    Quote Originally Posted by Kasierith View Post
    Well, the odd thing about this episode is that he left before he even started on the phase of giving out advice. He was still uncovering random crap they were doing.
    I don't find that particularly odd given the way they were acting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NoiseTank13 View Post
    There's a theory that the whole business there is a money laundering scheme.
    Yup. Worked for a place exactly like this in college...stealing the servers tips and waaaay overly aggressive husband and wife owners.

    The restaurant hardly broke even but it was a front for their illegal betting and money laundering schemes they had going on. After finding that out i quit on the next payday and they put a stop payment on my final check to get back at me.

  15. #895
    been in the service industry for a long time. this is quite possibly one of the saddest things ive seen considering the capital available to invest in it. on every level this place is failing and Yelp's page says they're 'temporarily closed'. HA....the place wont reopen most likely and that's a good thing for the sanity and safety of the public and their employees.

    i also want to share a lengthy, yet fucking hilarious, review from yelp. satirical genius.

    "A friend and I ate here some time ago and after all the recent attention that these two otherwise fine, fine individuals have gone through I feel compelled to speak out in their defense.

    Upon entering, we were greeted by a warm and engaging Samy who hustled us excitedly, and totally not at all psychotically, to the nearest table. While perusing the best, and most honest and forthcoming, menu on planet earth, I hardly noticed that Samy had removed our shoes and was giving us pedicures! He said it was 'just one of those things we do!' Now THAT is service.

    After our leg massages (although a little high up the thigh, Samy you rascal, this is a family show!) we ordered Caesar salads to start followed by a pizza and totally not ever shipped from 500 miles away ravioli. We were thrilled to wait the 3 hours for the salad to arrive as Amy came out of the kitchen to fawn over the staff and perform a little soft shoe for her adoring, and totally not starving, fans. Initially we thought the dressing was contrived over spiced crap, but Samy was kind enough to remind us that, although by a conservative estimate we had eaten over 43,000 meals in our lives, we have no fucking idea what we are talking about and we should probably just shut the fuck up. We all had a good laugh!

    The fig jalapeno mutton black truffle oil velveeta shallot mango pizza arrived a barely perceived 53 minutes later. Lest anyone think that it looked like a luke warm, soggy pile of cow shit with smaller lumps of multi colored shit all over the top of it making us want to vomit, I can assure you friendly reader, it most certainly did not. Minutes after gutting down the skittles pizza we both began to uncontrollably projectile vomit and foul our pants simultaneously. Samy stopped by to remind us that not only did we not know how to eat, we knew even less about shitting and puking. Right again Samy. Right again.

    Next up, the pepper encrusted okra pelican corn sweet spicy sour turnip sea snail, totally not shipped from 500 miles away, ravioli took our breath away. Along with the rest of the contents of our stomachs and bowels. Samy complemented us on improving our technique since the last bout but wisely cautioned us not to 'get big heads over it fucksticks'. He reminded us of his 'gangster' status and that he and his gang of other greasy haired 108 year old foaming at the mouth raving psychopath friends would 'fuck our asses up' and steal our gramophones, and our bicycles with giant front wheels and tiny rear wheels.

    Amy then emerged from the kitchen wild eyed and ranting about 'the haters' and accused us of being among their ranks. But when she found out how much we had been threatened to enjoy her 'food' she broke into an interpretive dance that involved smearing our excrement all over her body as an acceptance of our compliment. Oh look at the time! It was 5:36am two days after we had arrived. Samy promptly doubled our check, added a 36% tip which he then pocketed, and after a little more soft shoe from Amy we went merrily on our way as she lovingly screamed obscenities at us in way of a final farewell.

    Bravo Samy and Amy.

    Bravo."

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    I haven't watched it yet, frankly the prospect of anything that could be too much for Ramsay is disturbing.

  17. #897
    Quote Originally Posted by Vellerix View Post
    I haven't watched it yet, frankly the prospect of anything that could be too much for Ramsay is disturbing.
    It wasn't really "too much." It was "I could get in a shouting match with you for the next 5 days, but I have better shit to do."

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  18. #898
    "Video removed by user"...

    LE: nwm, found it



    LE#2: These people are messed up, I almost feel bad for laughing my ass. Their employees deserve better...
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  19. #899
    I'll pop in once more. People who say that it was staged don't mean that owners are not like it was shown in the show. I'm pretty sure there are plenty of crazy people, like them, in 300 million country.
    The point is that all, or most, of this shouting was not "authentic" and it was scripted. This way or another.

    So come on, don't tell me that while they send a whole team with cameras one day earlier and next day mr Ramsey doesn't know anything about happened there. Please, he knew exactly what happened there, he knew what reputation the restaurant has. He knew it weeks earlier when forming some plan about how deal with it.
    Also, in the beginning when those 2 guys were thrown out... Cameras running all around them and they argue with the owner like if the camera wasn't there? Any normal person would shout to the camera instead - either trying to make bad PR for the owner or demanding to shut the camera off.
    And that couple arguing with everyone in full voice? No matter how stupid they might be, even they would know lashing out, cursing and arguing with each other looks bad. Everyone would try to do it silently - in whispers preferably. They didn't even try - they just shouted so that every microphone and client could hear.

    To me it all sounds like "we know you are crazy and we want to make a show out of it. So act as crazy as you can, and if it's good we will make another show out of it. Start with throwing some clients out, and next day our guy will come pretending he doesn't know anything. For the whole show he will act really nice and calm to contrast with your craziness. Do that and we'll pay you nicely and you'll become a star. But break our agreement by telling someone about it and we sue you dry and get back our cash".

    This couple is basically a star now. How many people in US would be willing to do this kind of stuff, or even worse, to get this kind of publicity?
    With the kind of money show creators make I strongly doubt they would be risking by relying on "authenticity" of their participants. No, they would rather make sure the show gets juicy and spicy. Sending actors as customers, making deals with staff or owners and pretending. Whatever makes show more interesting.
    I have enough of EA ruining great franchises and studios, forcing DRM and Origin on their games, releasing incomplete games only to sell day-1 DLCs or spill dozens of DLCs, and then saying it, and microtransactions, is what players want, stopping players from giving EA games poor reviews, as well as deflecting complaints with cheap PR tricks.

    I'm not going to buy any game by EA as long as they continue those practices.

  20. #900
    Quote Originally Posted by procne View Post
    The point is that all, or most, of this shouting was not "authentic" and it was scripted. This way or another.
    Except that the waitress that got fired answered this in the AMA and to her knowledge there was no script or instructions given beyond "do your job and don't look at the cameras"...

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