1.3 million sub drop

[Aquamonkey]

Can you provide a link please? I've been looking for hard data on Blizzard's income from China and Korea and haven't been able to find anything definite...

[majesta]

Ghostcrawler actually tweeted that he often felt like the ICC model worked better, that 25m raiding probably should give higher ilvl gear than 10m raiding.

I normally would come to bat for Ghostcrawler. I don't think he is a bad guy. However recently a lot of things he has said makes me want to call him an idiot, but then I would be wrong as well. The issue is similar to that of the so called Presidential Bubble most American Presidents find themselves inside once in office for a while. With Ghostcrawler this is the Blizzard Bubble. Ghostcrawler is surrounded by developers and is separated from the general player base for the most part.

The Blizzard Bubble is filled with developers that have been there so long and in a dated system that clearly can’t cope with the challenges the current gaming environment is facing. At least in a timely matter. The gaming demographics once again are changing as well.

Until all the yes-developers and I use developers in the most vaguest sense possible here, are either replaced or a massive injection of new blood occurs, we should expect much of the same. Those of us outside the Blizzard Bubble can see the problems while those inside do a pat on the back and say everything is awesome will just have to either cancel their sub and go elsewhere or deal with the game. I have leaned towards canceling as I have stated in previous posts because of the realm population issues killing my server, my guild, and driving my friends to quit.

[majesta]

How do we know what the goals of those game companies were? Their goals might have been to just take a segment of the Warcraft audience. Blizzard managed to make a game where 10+ million people played it. They did it by catering to several different demographics. In order to keep pleasing everyone they also had to make the game increasingly generic. This has clearly upset some as we have seen over time on every fan site the continued gripe-fest.

By making a product generic, when something slightly better comes around with a comparable price people tend to switch. More bang for your buck.

In addition have you ever heard of a death by a thousand cuts? We maybe witnessing this with Warcraft. Each new MMO that comes out seems to be more focused at a particular gaming segment rather than a dev null catch all. China is showing us now that with the Age of Wushu Blizzard is vulnerable in the selected segment market.

As for the subs. I would not be surprised with patch 5.2 release being in that data caused a slight uptick. Even if it was 100k-200k subs. It looks better to say 1.3 mil lost rather than 1.5 mil lost. Another note Blizzard said they expect to lose more before the expansions end and we must remember this data is already 2 months old.

As for Blizzard monitoring players... just because you can watch what they are doing doesn't mean you understand why they are doing it. That is why focus groups observe then go in and ask questions. Blizzard is really only observing and then trying to infer what the player wants.

As for you claims of $150k a year. I would love to see sources and numbers. That seems a bit low.

[Antipathy]

Adding shaman as a class to alliance isn't a class change. Also are you forgetting Horde got paladins? bet you did. First off let me explain to you what class change is. Class change is when they make you play your class differently. For example shamans can now move and cast LB. Dk's can no longer use blood as a viable DPS spec. Hunters now only use bows and have a power bar. Those are class changes. And yes people are quitting because of the class changes. I quit in cata because my US 3rd H LK DK that was a blood dps with shadowmourne was unviable dps in cata. I quit then came back to play a shaman. Class changes has always made people quit and will always make them quit. Adding a class to a faction didn't make people quit.

Don't think you understood my post.

I was giving an example. I am saying that unless you can show that the majority of people quit due to class changes, you can't say that class changes are the reason for sub losses. I respect your anecdotal experience that people quit due to class changes, but my experience has been the total opposite.

As to the rest of your post, I've already said that in my view, the main cause for any sub loss was the dismantling of normal 25 man raiding guilds which were thriving communities in Wotlk (and arguably TBC, though a lot of people here will claim too much poaching was going on)

[Osmeric]

I was giving an example. I am saying that unless you can show that the majority of people quit due to class changes, you can't say that class changes are the reason for sub losses. I respect your anecdotal experience that people quit due to class changes, but my experience has been the total opposite.

GC has a tweet where he said more people quit due to class changes than quit due to being "ignored". I take from that that a nontrivial number of losses have been due to class changes, although probably not most.

[Antipathy]

GC has a tweet where he said more people quit due to class changes than quit due to being "ignored". I take from that that a nontrivial number of losses have been due to class changes, although probably not most.

All that means is between Class changes and classes remaining static, people opt out more due to the former than the latter. It is not an indication of whether the numbers are trivial or otherwise.

[Voidlyn]

WoW won't die as long as i am here.

[Deleted]

WoW won't die as long as i am here.

WoW will die in 1-2 years you will see.

[Deathgoose]

WoW will die in 1-2 years you will see.

You created an account just to wade in on this topic just for that? Da fuq?

[Qanlayeni]

The game is 9 years old, people get bored playing the same game for 9 years /thread

[HeedmySpeed]

The game is 9 years old, people get bored playing the same game for 9 years /thread

Lol.

I guess we should just admit it and let the game tank further! /brain

[Qanlayeni]

Lol.

I guess we should just admit it and let the game tank further! /brain

never said the game was bad, i've been playing wow on and off since week 2 of EU release. When i find myself bored to play, i know its time to stop and move to onto another game. Every now and then i come back to WoW, they add updates all they want, but its still the same game

[Darsithis]

Closing this necro. Please don't necro old threads to post pointless posts