Does anyone else find it sad Garrosh is going to die?

[Gorefiend 1]

Yeah, I'm pretty sad. Garrosh was indeed my favorite character in this game's lore. Hell, call him evil, I don't care. I do not think of Garrosh as evil, I don't think of him as a bad leader. He was a good leader that triumphed over the Alliance again and again, destroyed the city of Theramore, which in return saved the Tauren from being being under siege by the humans. Listen to him talk, he constantly talks about the Horde's destiny and such. Garrosh is -for- the Horde, he believes the Horde deserves better than what they have. He wants to live up to his father's legacy (which he's doing quite nicely). Garrosh and Grom are almost the same person, the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Giving Garrosh such a bad ending means the least they can do is redeem him.

[pallyopness]

and hitler was "for" germany......how'd that make him look in the history books.....there comes a point where leaders dont know when to just stop....."obamacare" lol sorry, shameless plug.

[Drilnos]

If I had been asked this at the start of the expansion, I would have, and did, in fact, answer in the affirmative. Then they spent an entire expansion turning him into a complete monster. At this point the only thing that makes me sad is that the Horde is dying with him.

[Okacz]

As sad as that situation was for Garrosh, he was foolish to trust Magatha like that.

It wasn't really trusting Magatha. There was a ritual of blessing weapons, Magatha was just one of the shamans who does that. Garrosh had no reasons whatsoever to be suspicious.

More on topic: am I the only one pissed off because Garrosh didn't actually ever get a chance? Every single of his advisors completly rejected his point of view like at start. Okay, his plan was to kill a lot of Alliance and make a living for the Horde (well, better living then rocky desert). Not a perfect plan, but at least a plan. He wanted something, he had a goal, and it was to kick human asses and take their potato.

And, check it out: he couldn't have done that. He never actually was able to fulfill any of his goals, because actually having a goal is a crime in Warcraft universe. The only person who had one (I mean, who planned one thing out on himself and actually rolled with it) and didn't really became corrupted was Tirion Fordring. Illidan wanted to stop LK on his own? Villian. Kael'Thas planning to find a way to sate his peoples addiction? Villian. Garrosh, wanting to provide his people a better place to live, and kill their enemies meanwhile? Villian.

I just kinda wanted to see him having any freaking kind of support. And everybody just went like "nuh uh, initiative is wrong, black arrow pierce da throat mon".

[K-b]

I think it's sad to let a really important lore character take a dramatic change in personality just to satisfy some base of the community.

Post Cataclysm;-

The character came from a popular family background, shares traits with his father and the pride of his legacy. Rash, young and proud. Yet despite this, at least throughout the course of cataclysm, he represented a great becon for the war machine to advance. And it did, numerous successes the Horde gained in the wake of the cataclysm is not denied by anyone, and Garrosh takes the credit. He made the war machine prosper to such a degree, since the peak of the second war.

Forced upon him, the hate of a Troll who's "nation" was nearly wiped out by fish creatures, when in fact the truth was, the Trolls were downright useless for the past two expansions. "Now that we've assembled an 80 man raid and called for a world event, we just might get back that island over there that no one gives a half a crap about"

Forced upon him, the hate of the Taurne, who's august leader jumped into a ridiculous conclusion of Garrosh's involvement in an ambush, humiliated him, and challanged him on a fight to the death. Yet Garrosh is plunged into a sea of whiners who call him a murderer when he had nothing to do with the poisoned axe, effectively denouncing Magatha's requests to aid her in the capture of Thunder Bluff and calling her an enemy.

Forced upon him, the hate of the Grand Alliance, which is undeniably well earned. A pure horde-alliance conflict, with a leader who despised them to the core, taking advantage of the cataclysm and shifting the balance of power to the highest of it's capabilities. Its sad the horde players ignore this part of success about Garrosh. A guy that hates the blue flag.


Post Cataclysm. This character, despite being mildly incompetent and rash, had done a hell of a good job in the battlefield, and in a war full of conflict and hate, a good leader like that was needed, just as Thrall had said so, that the horde needed a true leader, and Garrosh carried that charisma in him. Even if he was rash and proud, attempts were seen on the extent of his ability to learn and appreciate (Stonetalon QL, Saurfang Speech, the high cheif's mercy)


Now here's the onion.

"Yea, well, I do suppose we started Garrosh with an unrecoverable negetive effect that the idiotic community can't see past through, so lets just scarp it off"

And then BAM. Destroys a level 35 quest zone, writes a book about it, uses dark shamans, executes trolls, becomes a hundred times more wroth, power hungry, moronic. Jumps into old god involvement, evil, savage, and commands the Horde as if it was his personal toy

"Woah, Woah, just what the $%^# happened?"


I still find if amazing about this sudden change in personality. I mean, how the hell did a character jump to such a gigantic leap in his personality is beyond me. It may have been foreshadowed, but there were simply too much directions that pointed Garrosh into having a good side.

After all hes done in MoP, no shit. This character should simply die, yet even till now I never feel the hate he should be deserving. Why? I almost feel like it isnt his fault. Like some puppet strings just got a hold of him and did all the work. This leap of personality changed everything about him, whatever he deserves just doesn't feel, "valid".


In my perspective view on him post-cata, Garrosh was anything but a monster. He WAS undeniably honorable, there is simply no debate to this, the guy never did anything without caring for his people, the Ashenvale Invasion being to stop the starvation of his people.

He was Not power hungry, he was not Weak, he was most certainly not a Moron, the prime characteristics a leader should avoid having.

It was just this MASSIVE CHANGE that took rampart when the mists came that changed everything about him.

So yea, I can't hate him. I simply can't imagine a character like that, who had such good potential, to just CHANGE with nothing to back it up. Could we at least get some sort of hint of what happened? Did this Malakarokk Character come and change things, or did he just get spawned from Blizzard's console engine. Was he controlled, some hint or idea of what or who controlled him?

"Oh yea, well there's this shit called the Sha of Pride, yea that'l have a nice ring to it"


Just Ridiculous.

[Gorefiend 1]

More on topic: am I the only one pissed off because Garrosh didn't actually ever get a chance? Every single of his advisors completly rejected his point of view like at start. Okay, his plan was to kill a lot of Alliance and make a living for the Horde (well, better living then rocky desert). Not a perfect plan, but at least a plan. He wanted something, he had a goal, and it was to kick human asses and take their potato.

And, check it out: he couldn't have done that. He never actually was able to fulfill any of his goals, because actually having a goal is a crime in Warcraft universe. The only person who had one (I mean, who planned one thing out on himself and actually rolled with it) and didn't really became corrupted was Tirion Fordring. Illidan wanted to stop LK on his own? Villian. Kael'Thas planning to find a way to sate his peoples addiction? Villian. Garrosh, wanting to provide his people a better place to live, and kill their enemies meanwhile? Villian.

I just kinda wanted to see him having any freaking kind of support. And everybody just went like "nuh uh, initiative is wrong, black arrow pierce da throat mon".

Exactly, reading the various short stories and books, Garrosh repeatedly confirms himself that he only wants the best for the Horde. Call him selfish, arrogant, whatever. It doesn't matter. Garrosh is a true slave to the Horde in reality. Everything he's ever done, has been met with resistance and contempt. His "advisors" were useless and opposed his plans of making the Horde prosperous and a world power. I guess they liked to live in their desert.

Do not even get me started on Vol'jin the traitor and hypocrite. The one who says mogu magic is "bad voodoo" but referencing Sylvanas raising the humans into service as fine? Total treasonous hypocritical bastard who is an oathbreaker.

I swear, the day he becomes Warchief is the day I quit.

[inboundpaper]

I've hated Garrosh's character for a long damn time, glad we get to kill he ass.

[Frozenzooom]

He is a total jerk, he deserves his death.

[Trassk]

Garrosh has ruined everything i liked about orcs. The progression the orcs took since WC3 made them into noble yet savage warriors, with real value to there story.

When garrosh came to power, the orcs followed along with him, and there story turned to shit. Now, the rest of the horde is fighting and killing those orcs I once respected, and it undoes everything i enjoyed about the story.

Killing Garrosh might help, but the damage has been done.

[Deleted]

I think it's sad to let a really important lore character take a dramatic change in personality just to satisfy some base of the community.

Post Cataclysm;-

The character came from a popular family background, shares traits with his father and the pride of his legacy. Rash, young and proud. Yet despite this, at least throughout the course of cataclysm, he represented a great becon for the war machine to advance. And it did, numerous successes the Horde gained in the wake of the cataclysm is not denied by anyone, and Garrosh takes the credit. He made the war machine prosper to such a degree, since the peak of the second war.

Forced upon him, the hate of a Troll who's "nation" was nearly wiped out by fish creatures, when in fact the truth was, the Trolls were downright useless for the past two expansions. "Now that we've assembled an 80 man raid and called for a world event, we just might get back that island over there that no one gives a half a crap about"

Forced upon him, the hate of the Taurne, who's august leader jumped into a ridiculous conclusion of Garrosh's involvement in an ambush, humiliated him, and challanged him on a fight to the death. Yet Garrosh is plunged into a sea of whiners who call him a murderer when he had nothing to do with the poisoned axe, effectively denouncing Magatha's requests to aid her in the capture of Thunder Bluff and calling her an enemy.

Forced upon him, the hate of the Grand Alliance, which is undeniably well earned. A pure horde-alliance conflict, with a leader who despised them to the core, taking advantage of the cataclysm and shifting the balance of power to the highest of it's capabilities. Its sad the horde players ignore this part of success about Garrosh. A guy that hates the blue flag.


Post Cataclysm. This character, despite being mildly incompetent and rash, had done a hell of a good job in the battlefield, and in a war full of conflict and hate, a good leader like that was needed, just as Thrall had said so, that the horde needed a true leader, and Garrosh carried that charisma in him. Even if he was rash and proud, attempts were seen on the extent of his ability to learn and appreciate (Stonetalon QL, Saurfang Speech, the high cheif's mercy)


Now here's the onion.

"Yea, well, I do suppose we started Garrosh with an unrecoverable negetive effect that the idiotic community can't see past through, so lets just scarp it off"

And then BAM. Destroys a level 35 quest zone, writes a book about it, uses dark shamans, executes trolls, becomes a hundred times more wroth, power hungry, moronic. Jumps into old god involvement, evil, savage, and commands the Horde as if it was his personal toy

"Woah, Woah, just what the $%^# happened?"


I still find if amazing about this sudden change in personality. I mean, how the hell did a character jump to such a gigantic leap in his personality is beyond me. It may have been foreshadowed, but there were simply too much directions that pointed Garrosh into having a good side.

After all hes done in MoP, no shit. This character should simply die, yet even till now I never feel the hate he should be deserving. Why? I almost feel like it isnt his fault. Like some puppet strings just got a hold of him and did all the work. This leap of personality changed everything about him, whatever he deserves just doesn't feel, "valid".


In my perspective view on him post-cata, Garrosh was anything but a monster. He WAS undeniably honorable, there is simply no debate to this, the guy never did anything without caring for his people, the Ashenvale Invasion being to stop the starvation of his people.

He was Not power hungry, he was not Weak, he was most certainly not a Moron, the prime characteristics a leader should avoid having.

It was just this MASSIVE CHANGE that took rampart when the mists came that changed everything about him.

So yea, I can't hate him. I simply can't imagine a character like that, who had such good potential, to just CHANGE with nothing to back it up. Could we at least get some sort of hint of what happened? Did this Malakarokk Character come and change things, or did he just get spawned from Blizzard's console engine. Was he controlled, some hint or idea of what or who controlled him?

"Oh yea, well there's this shit called the Sha of Pride, yea that'l have a nice ring to it"


Just Ridiculous.

Fully agree with this quote. In Cata he was interesting, he wasn't all that bad (Stonetalon and telling off Sylvanas comes to mind) but he was ruthless and a true warchief, and he had an AGENDA, something which the hypocrites Thrall and Vol'jin don't understand.

To me, if Garrosh's story is telling us anything it's how awful Blizzard writing is, and how restricted they are to pleasing their playerbase as well as the format of an MMO. They tried to make Garrosh a bit more sympathetic with Cata but since this retarded community kept whining, they decided to kill him off instead of being persistent. Suddenly, 180 degree turn, he abandons all values of honor, becomes totally unsympathetic, starts using dark shamans and just being an asshole for no reason.

It is really sad.

EDIT: I also forgot that he was ontop of this corrupted by the Sha. Not that it wasn't predictable, but what can you say? Aint bad enough, make him stupid bad instead.

[docterfreeze]

He and Grom will come back as spirits or something during the return of the legion, mark my words!

[Trassk]

I'm so fed up with this 'omg, blizzard ruined his character, its so saaad, they caved into whiners'. Funny how when I talk about how regretable it is seeing the vale destroyed, people accuse me of QQing about it, but when you all complain about a bad character actually showing his true colors... oh nevermind.. this is the same old song and dance.

Learn some god dam common sense people. You follow an obvious bad guy, he ends up doing bad things, and you only have yourselves to blame for it when you feel like you've been cheated.

Its like seeing a wife go back to there same abusive husband, convincing herself he's a good guy really, she just needs to put up with him beating her. Your all BPS.

[Dudemanguy]

His death isn't confirmed. The only thing that was confirmed is that the main antagonist is Garrosh in the Siege of Orgrimmar.

I have a feeling he may become an exile, but he probably will die, knowing Blizzard...

[Gimlix]

Even though people hated him, he has a special place in our heart, For some he is good in their heart, but for some he is bad in their heart.
W/e will happen expect alot of QQ when the new Warchief will be revealed x)

[jahasafrat]

Doesn't bother me at all. He was a terrible chief in Nagrand and he was a terrible warchief in Azeroth.

[Zorperior]

I won't sleep until I post in every thread that says Garrosh is corrupted when everything so far makes it seen like he just absorbed the Sha power to benefit himself willingly

[Celista]

I don't think he is going to die. We might strip him of his Warchief title, kick him out of the Horde, and forever see his sobbing NPC self at the Orgrimmar gates begging an guard to let him in, but I doubt he'll actually die.

His being an end boss and being fully corrupted means very little regarding to whether he actually dies or not, I'd say it's about 50/50 at this point.

[pallyopness]

exactly he was a terrible guy that needed brought to justice

[Trassk]

I don't think he is going to die. We might strip him of his Warchief title, kick him out of the Horde, and forever see his sobbing NPC self at the Orgrimmar gates begging an guard to let him in, but I doubt he'll actually die.

His being an end boss and being fully corrupted means very little regarding to whether he actually dies or not, I'd say it's about 50/50 at this point.

So your saying a hulking mass of old god corrupted orc will stand around outside org... sorry, your just silly.

[Okacz]

So your saying a hulking mass of old god corrupted orc will stand around outside org... sorry, your just silly.

Hey, it's not corruption! He is controlling it! He like, smeared this Old God jelly all over himself, so it's kinda more like his weapon!

Actually, come to think of it: since Garrosh is pretty much the villaines to villains, does it mean that he is a worse being then the Old Gods? Maybe it's the other way around? Maybe the Old Gods are getting corrupted by Garrosh?