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  1. #81
    It's a shame you left the group, OP. Being told to hurry up as a tank is a great opportunity to troll the hell out of the group your with. Stop after every pull, maybe skin something if you can, or DE on the spot, etc.

  2. #82
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    Aye what melo says you just have to have thick skin when working with randoms as a tank... and a sense of humour.

    In cata I liked the challenge of doing the ZA timed runs in PuG groups and I would happily help those who wanted to go for it and asked.

    The moment 1 of them started spamming "go go" "go ffs" or any other variant I just engaged my walk key and pretended to roll play that we was sight seeing the lovely troll architecture.

  3. #83
    Quote Originally Posted by Synbaby View Post
    I've noticed that people in dungeons and/or lfr have gotten worse about blaming tanks/healers for wipes or for not doing things properly. I for one hate running heroics on a tank and have the dps pull trash for me, and then the dps will complain if they die from pulling mobs. Lets the tanks(or healers) do their jobs they queue up for!
    I just let them stay dead- especially if they start yelling for a rez. "The entrance is right next to the GY- you can walk back in, ain't that far. Maybe you've even learned a lesson. Let the tank, tank."

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  4. #84
    Quote Originally Posted by Airwaves View Post
    I tanked for 6+ years in wow, 8months in Aion and rift since launch. I have gone dps in wow and rift since then because well tanking gets boring after that long. But nothing pisses me off more then a slow tank. There is zero reason for anyone to be slow at tanking especially in wow. Content is so face roll as a healer (yes i also heal) until heroic raids that any healer can keep you up no matter how fast you tank. At least in rift there is a reason to tank a bit slower at high levels because content is hard(ish).
    I don't get the idea that tanks are somehow just slow for no reason.

    Slow tanks can be new tanks, newly dinged tanks, tanks with an in-experienced or undergeared healer, waiting for CDs or just trolling the group because they raged at them for some reason. Tanks don't join actively wanting things to take longer than they need to either.

    In none of those scenarios is raging, screaming or otherwise shit talking going to make things better.

    Having a tank is better than having no tank or a huge queue. Even a relatively slow tank is going to get it done quicker than a fast tank + a long queue. All the nerd ragers are doing is putting people off tanking.

    The expectation that all tanks are going to be heroic geared mains who learned all the pulls on the ptr needs to die.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jessicka View Post
    No, pain. This simply shouldn't be happening. We know why it happens, it's Vengeance being a broken mechanic. It's nothing to do with your skill as a tank.
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    Sorry but that's pretty normal. A high stack of vengeance means A LOT of damage, even greatly out damaging the dps themselves.
    Because clearly heroics give tanks MADNESS amount of vengeance... Please leave this tank thread as you clearly don't know what is is about.
    There is not a single reason a tank should be first in heroics (ouside of maybe 1-2 specific rooms, like Krastinovian room, or jade temple 3rd boss room)
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    Yeah I can't stand tanking myself either, while I am decent at it. It's to stressful, especially with the constant "go go go go! mentality". If it's not that, then people complain you are moving to quickly..

    Also I will undoubtedly get pissed off because the healer is crap, usually to myself though. I prefer healing, so that I can do my thing and ignore the others :P

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    I have moved on to DPS and healing from being a pure tank since Vanilla. LFR allowed me to do this. Why? Because I got sick and tired of assholes, shit DPS, slow healers, arrogant DPS, presumptuous DPS, trolls, and idiots.

    With DPS or heal, I can pretty much just chill and do my job without having to be at the behest of some jagoff with an axe to grind or no brain activity to speak of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ealyssa View Post
    Because clearly heroics give tanks MADNESS amount of vengeance... Please leave this tank thread as you clearly don't know what is is about.
    There is not a single reason a tank should be first in heroics (ouside of maybe 1-2 specific rooms, like Krastinovian room, or jade temple 3rd boss room)
    You can chain pull and stand in bad in any instance.

    But yeah, I think from this thread you can see why the moment they added 'loot spec' to the game, tanks evaporated en masse from LFR queues.

  9. #89
    Quote Originally Posted by parish View Post
    Oh you're one of those slow tanks... I hate these tanks on my healer, just go, simply just go in dungeons, if your healer can keep you up, no need for a fucking loot.
    Yeah, you're a tank you don't get to loot anything, what were you thinking?

    (That was sarcasm, tanking for randoms is terrible and I stopped tanking non-guild runs since a few weeks after I started tanking.)

  10. #90
    Didn't you know that when you role a tank or healer that the group just expects you to be a master at the class right off the bat? They don't care if its your first time playing that class, or if its even your first time playing the game -- you are to know the ins and outs of your class right off the bat and have watched players complete dungeons on YouTube until you have visually mastered how to do every single pull and boss.

    If you're an experienced player and want a quick run -- go with people you know. Expecting players in PUG's to be amazing in their respected roles is stupid -- god forbid someone is actually running these dungeons to learn how to play, right?

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    I love a fast tank as much as the next person, hell when I tank I pull absolutely everything at the speed of light untill a healer says otherwise.

    The problem is, when the healer cant keep up and you wipe, oh guess whos fault it is.

    Every tank is different, every tank knows what they can and cannot handle. Its much quicker to safely tank at a reasonable pace then to stretch your own limit and spend 5 minutes running back.

    As soon as I hear GOGOGOGO or Pull quicker, I troll you. I will start walking and RPing. Everyone loves a good tour guide during dungeons. To your left, a rock.

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    Been tanking since WOTLK and chain pull every heroic. Yet still isn't fast enough for some DPS that leap frog ahead not attacking the group I'm on. SMH....

  13. #93
    I've played tank, heal and dps. You get jerks as each of them.

    If anything people are less likely to be assholes if you're the tank because (depending on level bracket) it can be hard to replace a tank should they ragequit.
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    Play a class that has heavy self heal, like dk or pally. 9/10 times you can do the leveling dungeons without a healer.

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    pretty much like everyone has said, the ignore list is there to be used.
    in the Dungeon Finder / LRF world where you will literally never see that person again, there's no reason not to put an irritating person on ignore, if only for the duration of the run.
    Don't feel bad about leaving either, if the healer is competent (though undeniably a dick) then even mid-boss odds are no one died, heck, they probably didn't even wait for a new tank to turn up before pulling the next group of mobs.
    (this becomes significantly less so around the 40+ level)

  16. #96
    I leveled both a DK and pally this expansion and I didn't have any problems like that. Especially on the DK I didn't care what the healer was doing. There is plenty of abuse and immaturity in LFD, but most of it has little to do with actual roles and a lot with premade drama queen parties, at least in my experience. If anything tanks are frequent big ego shit starters themselves with healers close second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vajarra View Post
    Sorry that happened to you. I know as a healer, I'm generally nice to tanks because we need to work together well. As someone already said, make sure your healer is in range/has mana and you should be good.

    I'd really like to learn to tank but it's a bit intimidating.
    It's pretty easy... the best thing you could have as a new tank is a supportive healer. Run with a buddy and just get a feel for the class. Then you can learn tank swapping, cooldown popping, and positioning in LFR. I'd say the most intimidating part of tanking is keeping threat... which is pretty easy to do if you know your buttons (the thing you learn while leveling!)

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    The amount of people I see with the "You pull it, you tank it" mentality is astounding. Whenever I play with others I strive to do my best regardless of what others do. When I am tanking that means I do whatever I can to keep the flow of the pulls up so that there is no need to ninjapull, and if someone does then I just pick up those mobs as well, like any good player would do. There are already a great deal of douchebags in this game, we don't have to add to that amount.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windfury View Post
    The game has plenty of tanks - they're just not tanking randoms because the treatment you mentioned *never stops*. You're going too slow, too fast (generally both at the same time if you ask different group members), doing it wrong, it's your fault they stood in fire, that they pulled several packs while all your runes/resources/abilities/whatever were on CD - and you'll never ever get to roll on a piece of dungeon gear uncontested because every pally/warr/dk thinks it's their because they need it for an 'off-spec' they most likely don't even have. And then they'll yell at you for being undergeared.
    I've never had that happen to me in WoW (being told I was going too fast) but when I was leveling my assassin in SWTOR I had two separate people go "slow down!" when nobody was dying, nobody was low on resources, etc etc. It honestly weirded me out... you'd think that "too fast" would be when people's lives are threatened due to massive chain pulling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rinoa View Post
    The amount of people I see with the "You pull it, you tank it" mentality is astounding. Whenever I play with others I strive to do my best regardless of what others do. When I am tanking that means I do whatever I can to keep the flow of the pulls up so that there is no need to ninjapull, and if someone does then I just pick up those mobs as well, like any good player would do. There are already a great deal of douchebags in this game, we don't have to add to that amount.
    Sheesh.
    One could argue that just validates their behavior and is just as bad as being a dick back to them.

    I start by asking politely for them to stop. Nineteen times out of twenty they apologize and stop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rinoa View Post
    The amount of people I see with the "You pull it, you tank it" mentality is astounding. Whenever I play with others I strive to do my best regardless of what others do. When I am tanking that means I do whatever I can to keep the flow of the pulls up so that there is no need to ninjapull, and if someone does then I just pick up those mobs as well, like any good player would do. There are already a great deal of douchebags in this game, we don't have to add to that amount.
    Sheesh.
    Depends. If people pull mobs by accident, I figure shit happens, I pick up the mob and we all move on. If they're constantly pulling mobs ahead of the tank and ignoring pleas to stop, I figure let nature take its course. Especially if they're being a jerk about it.

    I just wish dungeon mobs were more dangerous and they died a lot faster.
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