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  1. #281
    Quote Originally Posted by Hipnos14 View Post
    But is only cosmetic...xDDDDDDDDDDDDD
    I know right ;D

    But yeah,models are hyped too much to end up in the cash shop.

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    I love the people who say the things you will be able to buy are only cosmetic, a blue post already said they are going to be selling extra roll on gear coins and other such things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    I love the people who say the things you will be able to buy are only cosmetic, a blue post already said they are going to be selling extra roll on gear coins and other such things.
    Would you be so kind to give me a link to this blue post?
    As far as I know, they only said that they might sell Lesser Charms.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nivis View Post
    Would you be so kind to give me a link to this blue post?
    As far as I know, they only said that they might sell Lesser Charms.
    Yeah it's Lesser Charms, but it is still NOT a cosmetic thing, and where will it end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ACES View Post
    Personally I've never understood the ruckus over EA, but that's beside the point. It doesn't matter if a company is close to its customers or not, the main goal of any company is to make money. To do that, they have to do what they think is in their best interest while not losing too many customers. This is the reality of business. Blizzard knows that there are people who think they can move the world by unsubscribing in protest to whatever so-called "cash grab" they come out with next and they know that these people are utterly insignificant in the grand scheme of things.
    I did 'sales" in highschool and you want to know what they taught me ? Make the customers happy and they'll return. If a barmaid is friendly to a customer and chat's with that person, listens to opinions and works towards what the customers want, those will keep coming back AND even spend more. By ignoring game balancing issues, worse content and less polished work, you don't make customers happy. Enough people already quit the game due to becoming " the same all over again", "we all look the same", "don't have to do effort to get something"... Instead what they do is spend time on creating items and such which are OPTIONAL, but where a lot more time has gone into. Remember the "heart of the aspects" mount ? New ingame model. Same for the pets on the store. Back when they were released you only had Cockroaches/Moths and other regular pets, and then came those "good looking" LiL KT, Ragnaros etc pets. You see the effort put into those products ? The difference in work in comparison from the Store items and the ingame items is stupid.
    I do get the point of people saying " don't like it, don't buy it". BUT would you like a company to spend time on things you want what you already "deserve (see= you pay subscription so you get to see things.) or want to pay a sub for nothing ? The dropping sub numbers are not a 100% accurate point in the game getting worse, but the increasing amount of posts here and on the official forums regarding "satisfaction" from this game are skyrocketing through the roof. Especially the ones where the "satisfaction-meter" is below 0.

  6. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by Haytham View Post
    I know right ;D

    But yeah,models are hyped too much to end up in the cash shop.
    I'm not sure, I think they could end up in the cash shop, and why not?

    - They will make more money from them if the users have to purchase each race individually.
    - You only buy the races you want, have no intention of ever playing a gnome, save €10. Not bad.
    - They can sell optional skins/models anytime.
    - People who don't want new models for their precious avatar since 8+ years gets an easy choice.

    Also, I'm pretty sure the next expansion will sell with or without new models.

    Anyway, I'm not saying I think its a good thing, but not sure if it would be all bad.

    Edit: Maybe I should have replied to apepi instead, sorry.

  7. #287
    Players farm reputation for one or two months to become exalted and get a mount/equipment. Now in Blizzard Store, player buy those things directly without paying the time and subscription fee. I think the two situations are quite similar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    I'm sorry you just now discovered Blizzard is a company that is interested in making money.
    This, it wouldn't be any different even if they only existed with the Store and no monthly, people would STILL complain then...

  9. #289
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Yeah it's Lesser Charms, but it is still NOT a cosmetic thing, and where will it end?
    I have...maybe 8000 of them. So for me, it doesn't make any difference.

    I do however agree that they probably shouldn't sell them.
    Not necessarily because I regard it as P2W by any means, seeing how extremely easy they are obtainable ingame...but because it somehow destroys the sole purpose why they were introduced in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    I love the people who say the things you will be able to buy are only cosmetic, a blue post already said they are going to be selling extra roll on gear coins and other such things
    They are NOT selling extra "roll on gear coins". They are selling lesser charms. You are limited to buying 3 "roll on gear coins" a week, no matter how many lesser charms you buy.


    Quote Originally Posted by Seefer View Post
    Yeah it's Lesser Charms, but it is still NOT a cosmetic thing
    Just because it's NOT cosmetic does NOT mean it's NOT ok.

    It's about the underlying principle: Does this break the game or give those willing to pay real money for these items an inherent advantage over those who aren't, and as such does it diminish the gaming experience of those unwilling to pay extra?

    The answer is no. Completing the 25 odd daily quests a week it takes to get the coins you need to be "competitive" is not exactly that difficult. Plus there are a multitude of other sources for these coins anyway - just killing mobs rewards them so you need to do even less dailies than that. My main literally has about 4000 of the damned things - I lost count months ago. In short, if you are a player who is sufficiently competitive to make the argument that you "need" the 50 coins a week, you will easily acquire them without even trying.

    They are selling these as "quality of life" items for characters to achieve some semblance of progression given a very tight time budget - which pretty means ultra casuals and alts. Neither qualifies in the "competitive" category, and it doesn't matter how many people out there are buying these things, it won't make an iota of difference to any competitive aspect of WoW (disregarding those 2 guys on some random server who are competing for world first to get to 10 Million Lesser Charms of Good Fortune).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deathgoose View Post
    I'm sorry you just now discovered Blizzard is a company that is interested in making money.
    There are more ways than one to make money. Not every company has the same strategy. Just to list two extremes:

    1) You make a great game and thus you create a big fanbase that will probably buy your future games
    2) You make a mediocre/decent game that has lots of microtransactions

    The downside to 1 is that you might be holding back, you could possibly make more money
    The downside to 2 is that you might piss off a big portion of your fanbase and thus you could lose profit in the long run

    Anyway, I think many game companies have gradually shifted to option 2, and I wouldn't be surprised if we're going into a new videogame crash because of it.
    Many of my friends just don't bother buying any game anymore, just because it's too expensive. Even free to play games are expensive if you want to be competitive.
    And then there is the overpriced new consoles coming out while the PC only gets ports.

    Yeah, I really don't see a bright future ahead for gaming if this continues much longer. Which company was it that was raising the normal established xbox or playstation game price by 10$? Yeah, just because a game is popular doesn't mean you can charge extra and get away with it easily. It might gain you some extra crash, but it also hurts your image. And image is a way to make money as well.

    I think greed in the videogame industry might hurt the them eventually. Especially since they're raising prices of everything while many people aren't in such good financial situation anyway.

    But I agree with the OP, microtransactions exists because people use them. It's as simple as that.

  12. #292
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    To be honest, I don't really care. Obviously it's wrong but it's the customers right to stop buying a product they find too expensive or using cheap, immoral business tactics.

    Thing is, they're losing subs fasts and it's their answer to keeping the income high as long as they can. More, their reputation is already kinda dodgy since they merged with Activision and it wouldn't matter to fans if they had devils horns and a goatee, the fans would still defend them no matter what. So they lose subs anyway and everyone other than fans already think their products are not as high quality as they used to be and that they use greedy business tactics and milking fools is hardly illegal so why not?

    Complaining about it doesn't really help anyone, voting with your wallet on the other hand does.. even if it's temporary and to send a message.

  13. #293
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    To be honest, I don't really care. Obviously it's wrong but it's the customers right to stop buying a product they find too expensive or using cheap, immoral business tactics.

    Thing is, they're losing subs fasts and it's their answer to keeping the income high as long as they can. More, their reputation is already kinda dodgy since they merged with Activision and it wouldn't matter to fans if they had devils horns and a goatee, the fans would still defend them no matter what. So they lose subs anyway and everyone other than fans already think their products are not as high quality as they used to be and that they use greedy business tactics and milking fools is hardly illegal so why not?

    Complaining about it doesn't really help anyone, voting with your wallet on the other hand does.. even if it's temporary and to send a message.
    Thats what I intend to do. Will never look back as long as I know WOW has both ingame store and mandatory sub. For me thats very simple.

  14. #294
    Quote Originally Posted by Duster505 View Post
    Thats what I intend to do. Will never look back as long as I know WOW has both ingame store and mandatory sub. For me thats very simple.
    Can we have you and the rest of the crowd who intend to "never look back" on WoW also never look back on WoW forums?
    Nothing ever bothers Juular.

  15. #295
    A lot of games have started going towards DLC. My crutch with Blizzard doing the same is that:
    a) Players already have to monetize to play
    b) The prices of Blizzard's DLC is extraordinarily high compared to pretty much every other game that does it. A single mount for ~$10-15??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Holtzmann View Post
    Can we have you and the rest of the crowd who intend to "never look back" on WoW also never look back on WoW forums?
    "We" can not Besides, what does it matter to mr. We (or is it mrs?) anyway. You don't have to be a blind WoW fan to post. Besides, not all who quit for good or temporarily did so because they hate everything WoW stands for. I still like to keep up with the lore and sometimes even play for 10 days when I get those free offers. I'm just not going to give my money to them any more as I don't think I would get enough for it. On the other hand, if they would cater to my every whim, I'd be happy to return.. but it wouldn't happen without WoW 2 coming out.

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    its definitely our fault.

    if people didn't pay for these items there wouldn't be a store, or it atleast wouldn't be as overpriced as it is right now. i dont understand how anyone can support a cash shop in a sub based mmo.
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  18. #298
    Quote Originally Posted by Lizbeth View Post
    "We" can not Besides, what does it matter to mr. We (or is it mrs?) anyway. You don't have to be a blind WoW fan to post. Besides, not all who quit for good or temporarily did so because they hate everything WoW stands for. I still like to keep up with the lore and sometimes even play for 10 days when I get those free offers. I'm just not going to give my money to them any more as I don't think I would get enough for it. On the other hand, if they would cater to my every whim, I'd be happy to return.. but it wouldn't happen without WoW 2 coming out.
    People who have left the game with the promise of never returning unless [something] happens still hanging around forums and making their dislike of the current game design known just baffle me. I understand you have the right to make yourself heard, but I cannot for the life of me grasp why would anyone willingly spend time arguing about games they don't like anymore. Specially when that does very little for the community itself beyond polarizing it even further.

    It certainly shows you're still interested in the game itself, but if you're not playing it and know your vision for the game is very different from where the game is heading, why bother with this? Why not follow things from a distance and come back when WoW 2 is released (or the game goes F2P, or any other condition for your return is fulfilled)?
    Nothing ever bothers Juular.

  19. #299
    Quote Originally Posted by Hyve View Post
    Mists of Pandaria:

    - Battlegrounds
    - Pet Battles
    - Dungeons
    - Heroic Dungeons
    - Scenarios
    - Heroic Scenarios
    - Arenas
    - Rated Battlegrounds
    - Brawlers Guild
    - Achievements
    - Normal Mode Raiding
    - Looking for Raid
    - Heroic Mode Raiding
    - Flex Mode Raiding
    Fixed that for you. like colors = same content. Basically the only new fundamental part of the game feature wise from Classic to now is Pet Battling, everything else is just an easier or different way of doing something we always have been able to do, I think its funny you even include the Brawlers Guild as a feature, now that I think about it at least its better then counting an "achievement" as a feature.
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  20. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by serenka View Post
    its definitely our fault.

    if people didn't pay for these items there wouldn't be a store, or it atleast wouldn't be as overpriced as it is right now. i dont understand how anyone can support a cash shop in a sub based mmo.
    Maybe it is not intended to be a cash store like F2P games? Prices are higher because they do not want everyone to use stuff in the store.

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