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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The Tauren do/did. Well, Hamuul at least. He convinced Thrall to induct the Forsaken into the Horde because Hamuul saw the potential for their redemption.

    Bet he's been feelling pretty silly for the past few years then



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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    Also: "International law does not prohibit the use of napalm or other incendiaries against military targets, but use against civilian populations was banned by the United Nations Convention on Certain Conventional Weapons (CCW) in 1980."
    thats an incredibly vague "rule", most wars/battles happen among civilian populations anyway.
    Hell if 2 armies are fighting over a major city there would be more civilians than actual troops on the battlefield
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockndrop View Post
    they couldnt starve out ironforge because of the deeprun tram.
    EASY entrance to get if....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lockndrop View Post
    they couldnt starve out ironforge because of the deeprun tram.
    Wrong. They would first have to destroy deeprun tram before the attempt. It would appear to be susceptible to flooding by shattering the glass tube areas, for example.

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    Could she adopt a divide and conquer strategy?

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    Stormwind would fall if she sent in a massive fleet of these improved forsaken bats that spray the plague around.


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    No, no chance at all. For starters literally no other Horde race likes the Forsaken much and so they would not be willing to back her up. Silvermoon once had a fairly strong Alliance with them but Sylvanas squandered that when she blackmailed them into sending Troops to Northrend before they were able to finish licking their wounds from the battles on Quel'Danas. Nowadays Lor'themar seems to have nothing but contempt for Sylvanas.

    In all likelihood Sylvanas wouldn't even get past the Argent Crusade and if she did then she wouldn't get past Ironforge. I just don't know where people get the Idea that the Forsaken are such a strong military force, they had trouble even holding Silverpine, got forced out of Gilneas and only were able to take Southshore because of their Plague. Andorhal is really the only good example of their military strength.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Stormwind would fall if she sent in a massive fleet of these improved forsaken bats that spray the plague around.

    That's a pretty awesome idea but I have to question the placement of the sprayer..
    "Terror, darkness, power? The Forsaken crave not these things; the Forsaken ARE these things."

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    Sylvanas would never do it without backed by the horde, anyways. She and Thrall are buddies. She owes Thrall big time in that siege of undercity.

    That scenario Sylvanas conquering EK, is only possible if that Garrosh vs thrall horde civil war lasts for a long period of time and thrall got somehow killed and total chaos is spreading in waves over Kalimdor. When she feels she might have the initative and ask their close BE allies for back up her conquest a lot seems possible with prober use of the plague.

    But of course nothing will hapen, cause this mmo is stale.^^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post
    thats an incredibly vague "rule", most wars/battles happen among civilian populations anyway.
    Hell if 2 armies are fighting over a major city there would be more civilians than actual troops on the battlefield
    And thats why the UN is typically a useless bag of shit.

    Really the only UN war law that most everyone takes seriously and is clearly spelled out is the one concerning mercenary forces. Basically if you are caught acting as a mercenary by the other side, you void having any of the rights guranteed by the Geneva Convention. Which means the people who have captured you can torture you, black mail you, starve you, brainwash you, or even execute you, and its perfectly legal.

    Thats why you never really hear about groups officially referring to themselves as mercenaries after WW2. (today there are still mercenaries, but they call themselves "private contractors" which lets them fight as a mercenary and still have human rights benefits through a vocabulary loophole)
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    I'm noticing that a lot of the arguements in favor of the forsaken are acting as if the Alliance in lore are all a bunch of stupid npcs that will stand stand around and do nothing. Like sneaking into Stormwind and getting plague onto the tram is going to be easy. Or getting bombs powerful enough to destroy the Tram that deep underwater without notice. Like Stormwind has no defenses and it'd be so easy to just fly in spraying plague.

    It makes me think the sylvannas supporters in this scenario think that the Alliance in lore is as inept as the npcs you fight against in quests, and they'll sit around doing nothing while you reign plague down on them from above and nothing can stop you, because you're the PC and the player is OP as hell in this game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    Without the Orcs bolstering them in Gilneas they would've been decisively defeated. They are arguably the weakest force in all of Azeroth. All they have is shock and awe mixed in with atrocity. The Argent Dawn could lay waste to them but don't because of the Horde affiliation.
    They have a few advantages. The plague, and the Val'kyr, but yes they're not as OP as some people claim, if they were they wouldn't need the Horde, and if Sylvannus didn't need the Horde I doubt she'd be a part of it.

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    I hope she would take over Stormwind and the Alliance could have Ironforge as their new capital.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    They have a few advantages. The plague, and the Val'kyr, but yes they're not as OP as some people claim, if they were they wouldn't need the Horde, and if Sylvannus didn't need the Horde I doubt she'd be a part of it.
    The Val'kyr are allready half of what Sylvanas had when they joined her. Kill Sylvanas (thus forcing a val'kyr to take her place to rez her) or her val'kyr and boom, no more raising advantage, unless Forsaken turn Spirit Healers to their side, then they will take over the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by leaks View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Stormwind would fall if she sent in a massive fleet of these improved forsaken bats that spray the plague around.

    That's a pretty awesome idea but I have to question the placement of the sprayer..
    Well the sprayer obviously is far too small to include any liquid agent to create the plague mist/spray. To economize the process, the sprayer repurposes the bat's own urine.

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    Alone? Nah, the dwarves, gnomes and humans would destroy her.

    With the help of the Horde? possibly, the orcs already have their bases in Silverpine. And the blood elves could be of great assistance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Defengar View Post
    And thats why the UN is typically a useless bag of shit.
    Likewise, there is a lot of rules in the UN/Genva that seem like total bullshit
    Another example is frowning upon dum dum (fragmentation) bullets, since they cause "too" much damage.
    I mean wtf does that even mean? The whole god dam point of a bullet is to cause damage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Florena View Post
    Or getting bombs powerful enough to destroy the Tram that deep underwater without notice. Like Stormwind has no defenses and it'd be so easy to just fly in spraying plague.
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    it was apprantly easy enough for the Horde to ravage Theramore's docks and air defenses

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    Without the Orcs bolstering them in Gilneas they would've been decisively defeated.
    Any army, no matter how powerful, automatically loses when the players are thrown into the fray.
    Hell thats the deciding factor for victory in Azeroth, whichever side has the players fighting for them
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  18. #438
    Quote Originally Posted by McNeil View Post
    Alone? Nah, the dwarves, gnomes and humans would destroy her.

    With the help of the Horde? possibly, the orcs already have their bases in Silverpine. And the blood elves could be of great assistance
    The Horde wouldn't back her though after the events of Siege of Orgrimmar. The Horde in Kalimdor owes a great deal to the Alliance and wouldn't get involved. Lor'themar and the Elves were even trying to break away from the Horde. He's also made his disgust for Sylvanas pretty much known after she forced him to send Elves to Northrend to support her in revenge instead of allowing them appropriate time to rebuild their home. Her trying to resurrect his people as Forsaken during Siege added to the tension.

    Sylvanas would be isolated and alone in her conquest against the might of the Alliance, Argent Crusade, Ebon Blade, and possibly even the Blood Elves. It's even likely the rest of the Horde would go to the aid of the Alliance as if Sylvanas were able to take over the Eastern Kingdoms (which she isn't,) nothing would stop her from focusing her attention to Kalimdor next after gaining a massive army in resurrected Alliance soldiers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dreknar20 View Post


    Any army, no matter how powerful, automatically loses when the players are thrown into the fray.
    Hell thats the deciding factor for victory in Azeroth, whichever side has the players fighting for them

    The forsaken player only won in silerpine cause he captured lorna, the daugher of Mr.Crowley the fist-cleaver himself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hitandruntactic View Post
    Without the Orcs bolstering them in Gilneas they would've been decisively defeated. They are arguably the weakest force in all of Azeroth. All they have is shock and awe mixed in with atrocity. The Argent Dawn could lay waste to them but don't because of the Horde affiliation.
    Id say they are stronger than what is left of the Gnomes and MAYBE MAYBE the Blood Elves or Darkspear Trolls but that's about it.

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