Should LFD have ever been implemented?

[Sansnom]

Every gamer worth it's salt, probably almost every person on this forum, will tell you that most of the things you just mentioned aren't fun or interesting gameplay. Try naming a few things that actually result in character progression you can do while waiting for your queue... because honestly, if it doesn't provide character progression you might as well start playing Tetris on your cellphone instead while you wait.

Ah please just stop that. I know people who enjoys doing all those stuffs. So they are not gamer's worth its salts to you? These people lead raids back in the 40 man days.

So stop with the insults. You don't want to do them? Find them boring? Find. Just don't insults people that do. It does not make you cooler, or a better gamer. As if that is something important.

Some people actually play this game to have fun. But seems others like to dictate to other what "fun" is according to their own style.

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Yours is a completely delusional, onesided and fundamentally wrong point of view that isn't really going anywhere.

Yes getting a group and going there was part of the journey. Only lazies spammed chat and thank god they were rightfully ignored by most of the people.

Again, getting a group together (10-15 mins max at 10 pm in tbc) wasn't much of an issue for normal, polite people. Social awkwardness shouldn't be rewarded you know?

You never had to socialise in wow? Ah I see you must have been one of them. The ones that didn't say a single thing apart from "Rez pls" and were rightfully kicked and ignored. Yes for people like you lfd is a great success of course.
For normal people that cared about their character instead, having a good reputation server wise was as important as having good gear. It got you groups faster, a better chance to get into guilds and raids if you wanted to, and generally it made you feel good. Same reason why if in real life someone tells you "hi" you reply "hi". Same feeling.
Again, social awkwardness shouldn't be rewarded, it's no your fault you're born that way but it definitely isn't mine.

Edit: and yes I knew exactly who was reliable and who wasn't server wise. I know it might sound strange to you but people cared about the social aspect of wow when there was one.
Maybe that's why people avoided you?

No it isn't. It is just different to yours and your experience. Guess what. People are different. Some people do not say much. That is just them.

Just like kids in schools. Some are very social and very popular. Some are more introvert. There is nothing with them. Just different.

And yes, I spammed chat for groups before. And it took upto an hour to find a group. And sometime dropped because one of their friends happen to come online.

So tell me great one, as a complete new player, how do you make groups before knowing anyone, before having a rich friend lists of tanks, healers and dps?

[jimlow]

I would probably stop playing this game if they took away LFD. It was quite possibly the best thing ever implemented in this game. Anyone that wants to go back to the previous model is a fool with rose tinted glasses. You know how people drop group in LFD after they beat the boss that drops loot for them? Second boss in slabs was the bane of my existence I shit you not more tanks have dropped group after that boss than any other combined if that trinket did not drop. Then guess what it was back to spamming /2 for a tank but guess what? None want to join because that boss is already dead!

Also good luck trying to find tanks mid to late expansion after they gear up there was no reason to run any heroic thus HUGE tank shortage. If you were trying to gear up a alt or get the kara key it was the most frustrating aspect of the game. Not to mention if you needed gear out of dungeon that DIDN'T have tank gear you were essentially screwed (mana tombs, Bot, sethic halls)

Just thinking about the old model makes me mad.

[draykorinee]

LFD yes LFR no.

[Trakanonn]

oh god yes... I just went on a private server that had no LFD and it was a nightmare

No LFD=World of Grindquests

[draykorinee]

Yours is a completely delusional, onesided and fundamentally wrong point of view that isn't really going anywhere.

Except the person you quoted was quite right.

[LeperHerring]

No. It wasn't part of the journey. I didn't feel like some sort of adventurer going starting an epic quest when I was trying to get people for a group.

Yeah, because teleporting a dungeon with 4 randoms to button smash in silence (possibly interrupted by obscenities) for 15 minutes makes you feel like an adventurer? I can remember many great 5-man runs from vanilla and TBC. They were the great experiences that I was paying for (although of course there were bad experiences back then too). Since LFD I don't remember a single enjoyable 5-man, it was all an utter waste of time.

[Deleted]

Ah please just stop that. I know people who enjoys doing all those stuffs. So they are not gamer's worth its salts to you? These people lead raids back in the 40 man days.

So stop with the insults. You don't want to do them? Find them boring? Find. Just don't insults people that do. It does not make you cooler, or a better gamer. As if that is something important.

Some people actually play this game to have fun. But seems others like to dictate to other what "fun" is according to their own style.

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No it isn't. It is just different to yours and your experience. Guess what. People are different. Some people do not say much. That is just them.

Just like kids in schools. Some are very social and very popular. Some are more introvert. There is nothing with them. Just different.

And yes, I spammed chat for groups before. And it took upto an hour to find a group. And sometime dropped because one of their friends happen to come online.

So tell me great one, as a complete new player, how do you make groups before knowing anyone, before having a rich friend lists of tanks, healers and dps?

It was done before, didn't kill anyone and created a good few long lasting friendships.

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Except the person you quoted was quite right.

Absolutely not he wasn't. His experience. I and the people around me had completely different experiences.

[Raiju]

The fact that I have heard about such experiences proves that it's not all rainbow, sunshine and butterflies like you acted.
The queue-time WAS a problem, so they implemented LFD.

The queue-time was still a problem after they implemented LFD.

[Carlosdanger]

yes. I take some issue with cross server lfd and wonder if server merges two expansions ago would have been a better solution.

[Flatspriest]

No, I would not go back in time and stop LFD from being implemented. Who would want to have to be in a city to get a group, and then, travel to the instance and need to get at least 2 players there in order to use the stone to summon the others? It made life easier and also gave a way to bypass the 5 dungeons per hour per account lockout.

[Deleted]

The fact that I have heard about such experiences proves that it's not all rainbow, sunshine and butterflies like you acted.
The queue-time WAS a problem, so they implemented LFD.

The queue time was as much a problem as "dungeons are too hard".

[Deleted]

See, that's my only problem with the community.
The complain about queues that take an hour, so we get a fix.
Following the fix we get queues that take 30 minutes and again they complain.
Then we get a fix that brings them to 10-15 minutes and guess what..


That's why we have both heroic dungeons and challenge dungeons now.

Are you saying we improved the "dungeons mechanics" since tbc?
(I say tbc as for me that's where perfect balance was achieved).

[Deipfryde]

Nobody's stopping you from making your own groups. The dungeon entrances are still there, knock yourself out. If LFD were really all that bad, then people wouldn't be using it, would they? Everybody would still be doing it the "old fashioned" way.

I remember those days, too. Spend twenty or thirty minutes actually getting five people to agree to run something, then sitting outside the entrance for another fifteen minutes waiting for the healer to show up. And no, we didn't sit around and bond during that time, and no one gave any more of a shit about the other players in the group than we do now. It was way better when I joined a decent guild and it was far easier to just /g "Hey, anyone wanna run some heroics?" And guess what? New toons, new server, new guild... we still do that.

[Deleted]

I haven't tried it yet, but remembering how many time I was waiting as warrior dps to enter anywhere, I will surely love it

[Deleted]

Nobody's stopping you from making your own groups. The dungeon entrances are still there, knock yourself out. If LFD were really all that bad, then people wouldn't be using it, would they? Everybody would still be doing it the "old fashioned" way.

I remember those days, too. Spend twenty or thirty minutes actually getting five people to agree to run something, then sitting outside the entrance for another fifteen minutes waiting for the healer to show up. And no, we didn't sit around and bond during that time, and no one gave any more of a shit about the other players in the group than we do now. It was way better when I joined a decent guild and it was far easier to just /g "Hey, anyone wanna run some heroics?" And guess what? New toons, new server, new guild... we still do that.

Yes this is a silly point. It's like asking someone to send letters because he doesn't like emails.
And again, your personal experience. We all had them and I can clearly say I'd take waiting once in a while 30 minutes over this aberration we have now.
Sure they might as well put us in a group with npcs.

[Ticj]

Well, what if there was a possible solution? What if they made non-LFD groups get an extra XP Bonus while in the dungeon? It'd get more levelers out into the world on there way to the instance groups and tone the dungeons to the appropriate difficulty. The leveling time would be essentially the same (depending on the server) but, there would be more of an option when leveling up toons on what to do.

[SamR]

Yes this is a silly point. It's like asking someone to send letters because he doesn't like emails.
And again, your personal experience. We all had them and I can clearly say I'd take waiting once in a while 30 minutes over this aberration we have now.
Sure they might as well put us in a group with npcs.

If you think emails are too impersonal and letter writing is better, why wouldn't you write letters? There are still stationary stores around which sell cool stationary that people use to write letters. If anything, your letter will be even more well received because so few people go through the effort. Imagine a girl today receiving a well-written love letter on good stationary instead of some half-assed text message. She would be over the moon.

Instead you want to ban emails.

[Akka]

That is such a ridiculous statement. I can make one too. I find it is usually the people who did not have trouble finding groups that complains most about LFD being in existence. Why is that? You had your groups before, you still have your groups now. No one is forcing you to use LFD. Just go with the same group of people as you did before.

So people like you should really stop complaining LFD. You can still group with people you used to group with. Nothing has been taken away to stop you from doing that. If you do not group with them anymore, maybe, just maybe, you were not that friendly to be with and should improve your socializing skills rather than belittle others.

I love the fact that all the people who know everyone on the server and never took more than 5 minutes to gather a group ends up with nobody to group with once LFD went in. Perhaps they weren't really as popular as they thought they were.

And again, despite it being explained in the previous page, the same canned answer is still repeated. How original.

So let's repeat it again : the point of having to group with people was that it added the social aspect in the game. Removing this need to FIND and GROUP WITH people, all replaced with the push of a button, REMOVE the social aspect.
So yeah, we could still group with people we knew. That's not the point. That's actually the problem : no social part in the game anymore.

Though considering how many times this point is explained and it still didn't manage to penetrate the thick skulls of people who don't want to get it, I have no hope that it will have any success this time.

[Arbs]

LFD was needed for sure, But LFR wasn't needed.

[Seriss]

It's like asking someone to send letters because he doesn't like emails.

Well, yes, it is! It's just like that! E-mails considered too unpersonal, too cold, too quickly thrown together with lots of typos and stuff, just to get the point across in as little time as possible, efficient, expecting a quick reply... vs. a handwritten letter in pretty script on lovely scented paper.

But it takes longer to write and longer to reach its destination.

It has its upsides and downsides.

Both options are available to you. You don't need to send a hastily-written e-mail if you don't want to. You can send that letter. But it won't get instantly delivered, and you won't get a quick answer to it.

And it's the same with LFD or without it. Quick and efficient, but somewhat impersonal unless you queue with a buddy or two.
Looking for party members in trade however is time-consuming and it takes a while to travel to the dungeon too. Slightly more personal on the surface because you converse with people before they get into your party. In the dungeon itself, however, even if CC were needed, you'd agree on "kill skull, then x, sheep the square and hex the triangle" or something like that. And that's it.