With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.
With Flex raiding coming in, LFR should be removed.
Originally Posted by Offhand
LFR's are too easy to wipe on
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The hole point of LFR is that no single bad player can wipe the raid even how bad they fail at mechanics (Yes a mage spreading combustion on spirit kings or stuff like that might kill the raid but that's just trolling and not a bad player). Any mechanics that require a single person to do something to not wipe the raid is usually removed or nullified to the point that it doesn't matter anymore. At the start of SoO LFR so many 540+ raiders will be running them and all you need is like 5 or so good geared people in a LFR run to make it super easy. Once HC raiders stop doing LFR you got the determination buff for another 50% damage, Healing and health and with that I doubt any group can't kill a LFR boss.
If you don't like the random nature of LFR or the douchebags you can stop doing LFR and instead start doing flex raid and eventually normal/HCs or find 24 other people and make a pre-made LFR run.
BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You're a lunatic. "A fair number?" 10 people on MMO-C? You're absolutely insane if anyone actually gives a rats ass about wiping Garrosh on LFR. How twisted of a perspective do you have if you think that the people that you've seen claiming that they'll do that contribute to even a fraction of 1% of the LFR population?
I'll be laughing all the way to my loot.
I am paranoid about Griefers in the same way I'm paranoid about Boss mechanics. If I don't account for these factors then I will truly not be prepared. Even in LFR on the more challenging bosses if you have a group of 25 people who have 0 clue what a boss is capable of you are going to have a bad time.
I choose to account for every Bosses unlisted spell called "Idiocy". It's an RNG spell you never know when someone is going to become intoxicated with Idiocy either by accident or premeditate.
The frequency of Idiocy is going to be higher in SoO due to the nature of the lore, it's not just some random Orc we're killing we are going to war with a Faction leader, this really hasn't been done before and the community is slightly torn over it. If you don't believe me just take a peak at how many Garrosh threads have been popping out since Cataclysm.
This game has never in its history had such a heated debate over a single in-game character. You may not be one of them but a relevant percentage of players empathize with Garry and would love to have the option to be on his side if given the opportunity. It is important to account for the people who will go out of their way to create that opportunity even if it occurs significantly less than I am imagining.
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Big thanks to the op.
I hadnt actully thought of doing this but now I intend to! and with a druid able to line up as a tank or healer itd be pretty easy to create a wipe.
Whats happening to garrosh is the complete opposite from the way id like to see the game and the horde go(cannot stand bloody carebear lore....the only alliance I want to see are those dead on the end of my blade!!!!!) and this is my chance to help the poor guy.
CHEERS OP!
Most of us who cared about the story in BC simply used our imaginations to make it up
Perhaps I am in the minority but BC is easily my favourite expansion because I choose to look past Blizzard's mistakes and saw a game that had a bright future. Blizzard has a trend in their gaming development to release a game at a releasable stage and then perfect it with an expansion which was true of Starcraft, Diablo II & Warcraft III(can't comment on SC 2 haven't committed enough time) People generally forget the glaring flaws every Blizzard game has had at it's initial release. The thing that makes Blizzard a good company is that they actually support their games by continuing to develop them after release in order to perfect it.
Burning Crusade went a very long way in fixing Vanilla's flaws and did so in a very acceptable way. Shit was far from balanced but it was a hell of a lot better than Vanilla. Every class had some sort of viable role at the very least in both PvE and PvP(Excluding Arena which was and still is very lopsided, it is better now though.) which when taking Vanilla into account was a huge milestone. The problem is people expected BC to be some kind of holy grail to turn WoW into a work of Omnipotence(I am over exaggerating).
Burning Crusade's story left a lot to be desired(Why did we kill Illidan again, oh thats right because some homicidal bitch had been hunting him down since he escaped from prison and without rhyme or reason we decided to catch the spell of her insanity) but Blizzard went a long way to correct that in WotLK and people still bitched. I really don't think Blizzard has had a bad expansion to date, each one has gone a long way in solidifying this game's playability and while Blizzard has made many mistakes on this path I believe, for the most part, their intentions are to make this game legendary.
my thought on this are that its great. sure it will piss me off if im trying to run an lfr and some guy trolls us, but that is the point of playing an mmo, otherwise go play a single player game. this feeling of entitlement should have never been introduced into the game. the people trolling OMG PAY FIFTEEN A MONTH so they are allowed to do as they please with their time right? if the only enjoyment i get out of life is to make your day harder then isnt it logical and right for me to do so? i wish more things in the game were necessary and trollable, would probably thin the population out which is only a good thing. when there is no chance of failure its not really fun, of course if theres no chance of success its not fun either.
I meant the concept of siding with Garrosh not the reality of trying to wipe an entire ICC pug/guild group/GDKP run.
You can hate the Alliance and Garrosh at the same time. It's about realizing that your king is off his rocker and needs to be put down. When he starts attacking his own a ruler needs to be dethroned, and that is where Garrosh is at. It's the all or nothing "you're with me or against me" attitude that led him to this point, and he needs to be dealt with harshly.
We wiped twice on Jin'rokh over the weekend. Twice. I hadn't come close to wiping on him the months of farming ToT. There weren't any bad eggs, just low DPS. I'd certainly think about doing the bad things, but like you said... it's a waste of an hour (queue and raid), I really wouldn't even bother unless the group really was being unruly. In which case I'd just go watch porn or something.
I dont get these people saying its impossable to wipe on lfr.....if your a tank or healer then you can pretty easily wipe the group......either by stopping healing the tank or delibratly overpulling/dying as a tank
And i have a votekick that people mindlessly click yes to. Problem solved. Anyone that intentionally wipes the group gets votekicked.
Definitely not "creative" either like the OP states. Just a giant waste of time. Garrosh is still going to die in the lore, so wiping the group for the 'glory of the true horde' is a pretty damn big waste of time that changes and proves nothing. Actually it does prove the person doing it lacks brain cells.
The generalist looks outward; he looks for living principles, knowing full well that such principles change, that they develop. It is to the characteristics of change itself that the mentat-generalist must look. There can be no permanent catalogue of such change, no handbook or manual. You must look at it with as few preconceptions as possible, asking yourself, "Now what is this thing doing?" -Children of Dune
I always pictured Garry as being more on the "if you are not with me, you are against me... so GTFO!" mindset. And his bloodlust for crushing the Alliance. I'm with him. I didn't earn "Battlemaster" and "of the Horde" by being a pussy, it was my love of killing the Alliance. #TeamGarrosh
Oh Get a sense of humour!...what better way to roleplay anyway then secretly help the hero of the horde!
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THAT is the funniest post ive read in a while....you really do belive your the champion of righteousness dont you? sadact more like haha
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im nothing out of the ordinary....im just 1 guy! please pay attention to me when im claiming im the difference between your raid wiping in a video game or not....SOMEONE NOTICE ME (Synthaxx)
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