Blood Elves should be able to be druids!

[Cooper]

not being called a druid, but using restoration and transforming into a tree still makes you a druid.

No it doesn't, not anymore than a DK casting Mirror Image through Dark Simulacrum makes that DK a mage. Because that's essentially what those elves are doing.

Look at it this way: if those Blood Elves showed up in Moonglade, how would the druids there react? Not very welcomingly, I can assure you.

[Every Pwny]

Draenei druids too please.

[chrisisvacant]

No it doesn't, not anymore than a DK casting Mirror Image through Dark Simulacrum makes that DK a mage. Because that's essentially what those elves are doing.

Look at it this way. If those Blood Elves showed up in Moonglade, how would the druids there react? Not very welcomingly, I can assure you.

Similarly to how paladins of the Light reacted to Blood Knights?

Dark Simulacrum might have a similar function, but they were not using necrotic magic.

[lupii]

"In the Botanica wing of Tempest Keep, several of Kael'Thas's blood elves use abilities that are similar to the Restoration skills of the druid class, though they are never referred to as "druids." Most notably of these elves is High Botanist Freywinn, who is seen wearing what appears to be the shoulder armor and robes of the tier 1 armor set for druids, the Cenarion Raiment, and even transforms into a tree. "

not being called a druid, but using restoration and transforming into a tree still makes you a druid.


hun, the Trolls wars was a war to take back the troll lands, which failed and led to depopulation of the trolls throughout the northern lands. The Blood Elves never lost many thanks to the humans. And none of those trolls were druids either.

The population of the Elves continued to rise until the scourge.

Nice try honey, heres the whole thing.

n the Botanica wing of Tempest Keep, several of Kael'Thas's blood elves use abilities that are similar to the Restoration skills of the druid class, though they are never referred to as "druids." Most notably of these elves is High Botanist Freywinn, who is seen wearing what appears to be the shoulder armor and robes of the tier 1 armor set for druids, the Cenarion Raiment, and even transforms into a tree. Following encounter with Freywinn, the theme of the instance becomes increasingly arcane and corrupt, with satyrs, gene-splicers, and mutate fleshlashers, which seem to be named after the lasher, a common plant mob.[8] The degenerative nature of the instance hints that the blood elves in Botanica are not utilizing druidic practices, but corrupting the plants by other means, such as the ancient Warp Splinter who has apparently been corrupted by arcane magic.[9]

from http://wowpedia.org/Elven_druid , showing the only real ingame mention of any actual elven druids were in WC2. That later was retconned to be Elven Mages in the starting zone of the Blood Elves.

[Combatbutler]

Uhhhh, since when is WoWpedia/WoWWiki an official source? The only official source, the Dungeon Journal, doesn't explicitly state anything about the separate wings.

The elves were manipulating druidic magic just like they manipulated light magic. It's sort of their thing.

Wowpedia is almost always correct though, all you have to do is to look up its source. It is true we don't really known if High Botanist Freywinn can be considered a druid, though he makes an interesting possibility, the blood elves could create a new form of druism without the emerald dream, using arcane power to stimulate plant growth. They wouldn't be able to shapeshift though.

[chrisisvacant]

Nice try honey, heres the whole thing.

from http://wowpedia.org/Elven_druid , showing the only real ingame mention of any actual elven druids were in WC2. That later was retconned to be Elven Mages in the starting zone of the Blood Elves.

So let's see here. We have satyrs, ancients, and lashers in an instance with elves who also utilize druid shapeshifting and powers. They are not, however, manipulating druidic powers despite the fact they have manipulated the ancient to do their bidding.

Right.

[Itisamuh]

Instead of blood elves being able to play druid, I would rather they had never allowed night elves to be mages. It ruined everything between them.

On the other hand, I think for gameplay purposes, they should just allow every race to be every class and get rid of racials. Variety is good.

[chrisisvacant]

Wowpedia is almost always correct though, all you have to do is to look up its source. It is true we don't really known if High Botanist Freywinn can be considered a druid, though he makes an interesting possibility, the blood elves could create a new form of druism without the emerald dream, using arcane power to stimulate plant growth. They wouldn't be able to shapeshift though.

Except Freywinn does shapeshift.

[MikeBogina]

Right, but when you get into that argument, it comes down to "everybody should be able to be every class, more or less" which is fine, but be aware that is the argument you're making and that Blizzard doesn't agree with that philosophy.

And, giving it a bit more thought, Blizzard is probably right, because there are just some combinations that are outright impossible in the lore (Draenei Warlock, Forsaken Druid, Forsaken Paladin, for example), and if they excluded those combinations, people would whine and whine and whine.

I don't mind that there's some combinations that aren't used. A Draenei Warlock would probably be killed right off the bat, or kicked out... but it's still possible for one to be. Forsaken Paladin is probably the last thing a forsaken wants to be... but my priest isn't catching on fire. Forsaken druid... why? why can't a forsaken be a druid? The first thought is probably "He's dead, druids deal with living stuff" Well what does living or not living have to do with manipulation, or communing? They still have souls right? but their body is dead.

I can accept that Necromancy is what prevents it, that black death magic courses through their body, preventing them from using nature magic, but then Blizzard dun goofed when they made undead priests. Unless re-tracks their statement of undead holy priests existing in the first place(only shadow priests), that reason can't be used. In fact undead priests are one of the classes blizzard put in, that should be under your "impossible" examples.

but its whatever, just a game

[Combatbutler]

Instead of blood elves being able to play druid, I would rather they had never allowed night elves to be mages. It ruined everything between them.

Night elf mages existed since classic, they weren't playable though, but they were there nonetheless.

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Except Freywinn does shapeshift.

Freywinn was a master with potions, so it is not unlikely he unraveled some sort of secret and used a potion to transform. You can't consider him a druid in the classical sense, he was something else and yet similar.

Just like Sunwalkers and regular Paladins.

[MikeBogina]

Nice try honey, heres the whole thing.

from http://wowpedia.org/Elven_druid , showing the only real ingame mention of any actual elven druids were in WC2. That later was retconned to be Elven Mages in the starting zone of the Blood Elves.

listen, im not your honey, love.
Practicing restoration and nature magic, even if corrupting it, still means blood elves have the ability to use it. Imagine if a none evil blood elf tried their hand at restoration.

Did you also know that those runestones surrounding their lands were made by high elf druids in wc2, but was later retconned?

[lupii]

I don't mind that there's some combinations that aren't used. A Draenei Warlock would probably be killed right off the bat, or kicked out... but it's still possible for one to be. Forsaken Paladin is probably the last thing a forsaken wants to be... but my priest isn't catching on fire. Forsaken druid... why? why can't a forsaken be a druid? The first thought is probably "He's dead, druids deal with living stuff" Well what does living or not living have to do with manipulation, or communing? They still have souls right? but their body is dead.

It also impacts and goes against the layout of the race lore. An undead race, whereby theyve scarred the land and go very much AGAINST nature due to their continued undeath. Now they call upon the very thing they are an abomination of? A serious paradox there. Plus, undead priests in lore are shadow priests. Thus why they don't combust into a giant flaming mess at the mere mention of Conqueror tier tokens.

Likewise, the high elves left Because Arcane magic was banned in elven society. Their very race chose arcane over the possibility of druid. All of their lore is wrapped and churns around this central idea of the mage, the arcane power and an addiction to magic itself. To turn to druid and nature magics would be to go against the struggle they partook in to even get to where they are. They might as well have stayed and learned instead of coming into a society where they literally consume arcane magic as a food source.

[MikeBogina]

So let's see here. We have satyrs, ancients, and lashers in an instance with elves who also utilize druid shapeshifting and powers. They are not, however, manipulating druidic powers despite the fact they have manipulated the ancient to do their bidding.

Right.

Makes me think if Dark Shamans aren't really shamans then xD

[Cooper]

I don't mind that there's some combinations that aren't used. A Draenei Warlock would probably be killed right off the bat, or kicked out... but it's still possible for one to be.

No, it's not. Exposure to fel energy causes Draenei to devolve into Broken.

Forsaken Paladin is probably the last thing a forsaken wants to be... but my priest isn't catching on fire.

Forsaken priests in lore are all considered to be shadow priests. That option doesn't exist with a class that utilizes only the Light.

Forsaken druid... why? why can't a forsaken be a druid?

Druids are druids because of their connection to the natural world. Being undead, existing outside the natural cycle, by definition means a severing of that connection. If they were still connected to the natural world, they'd just be dead, instead of undead.

[lupii]

listen, im not your honey, love.
Practicing restoration and nature magic, even if corrupting it, still means blood elves have the ability to use it. Imagine if a none evil blood elf tried their hand at restoration.

Did you also know that those runestones surrounding their lands were made by high elf druids in wc2, but was later retconned?

Thats what I mentioned. -.-' That also was a game before they actually fleshed out the Night elves and the current druidism. It got retconned because it no longer fitted the flavor of the high elves to the story.

Also, irony with the love comment? =P

[Durandro]

Humans cat form should be a Male lion for male humans since that is the emblem of the Alliance.

You know what would be badass? If 'Cat Form' was changed to 'Feral Form', then Alliance got Lions and Panthers and Horde got Wolves (and maybe Raptors).

Would further distinguish the two factions in appearence.

[chrisisvacant]

Forsaken priests in lore are all considered to be shadow priests. That option doesn't exist with a class that utilizes only the Light.
.

Please stop repeating this. It is false. It has been debunked in this thread after being debunked by a Blizz tweet already. This is not at all true.

[Combatbutler]

It also impacts and goes against the layout of the race lore. An undead race, whereby theyve scarred the land and go very much AGAINST nature due to their continued undeath. Now they call upon the very thing they are an abomination of? A serious paradox there. Plus, undead priests in lore are shadow priests. Thus why they don't combust into a giant flaming mess at the mere mention of Conqueror tier tokens.

Undead use the light, it just hurts as hell

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/1008430853
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/forum/topic/2721372142

Likewise, the high elves left Because Arcane magic was banned in elven society. Their very race chose arcane over the possibility of druid. All of their lore is wrapped and churns around this central idea of the mage, the arcane power and an addiction to magic itself. To turn to druid and nature magics would be to go against the struggle they partook in to even get to where they are. They might as well have stayed and learned instead of coming into a society where they literally consume arcane magic as a food source.

They still cared deeply for nature, they did not refer it, but they cared. They built their cities so they would blend in with their surroundings,they mourned that their forests burned durong the second war, Sylvanas decided to halt her retreat, to oppose Arthas because he defiled the land and they could not allow their land to be desecrated.

[Mormolyce]

I agree, and isn't Malfurion training a Human to be a druid in the novels? Humans cat form should be a Male lion for male humans since that is the emblem of the Alliance.

Mmm, as much as I would love one of those new lion models for a cat form... no.

[MikeBogina]

It also impacts and goes against the layout of the race lore. An undead race, whereby theyve scarred the land and go very much AGAINST nature due to their continued undeath. Now they call upon the very thing they are an abomination of? A serious paradox there. Plus, undead priests in lore are shadow priests. Thus why they don't combust into a giant flaming mess at the mere mention of Conqueror tier tokens.

Likewise, the high elves left Because Arcane magic was banned in elven society. Their very race chose arcane over the possibility of druid. All of their lore is wrapped and churns around this central idea of the mage, the arcane power and an addiction to magic itself. To turn to druid and nature magics would be to go against the struggle they partook in to even get to where they are. They might as well have stayed and learned instead of coming into a society where they literally consume arcane magic as a food source.

They've stated lorewise that there are undead holy priests and that it hurts to use their powers, never once saying they dont exist. The very scar was a combination of necromancy and thousands of undead marching through the land. There is no such corruption given off by the forsaken, which is probably due to the fact that there is no longer a necromantic bond between them and a master. could you imagine if the forsaken tainted the ground they walk on? they wouldn't have any allies.


On the matter of the high elves... again. There is no living high elf that was there that day. They aren't immortal anymore and live for probably a few hundred years on average. Supposedly my ancestors came to America for a few reasons, religious persecution is one of them, yet Im an atheist. Arcane ruled their lives, but being forced into the dark ages worshiping Cenarius and some moon goddess, under the rule of some hippy and his girlfriend's dictatorship probably didn't sit well with some of them. They came to eastern kingdoms to escape mana persecution and guess what, not all of them practice the arcane. They have had druids in their history, they've had rangers who can talk to trees. They even changed from tall blue/pink/purple to short peach skinned. To say that they left because of arcane and they their descendants are the very same is just ridiculous.