When did Garrosh became this evil?

[Taqaroph]

So i'm lvl'ing a blood elf atm and just finished the Stonetalon questline, and I'm wandering does blizzard have just very bad character development or did I miss something?

This is the dialogue after you drop the bomb on some druid base:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4RTB5LxJ0U
Can someone explain to me how he became from this crude but honorable warchief to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slzQOyS5TqQ

Blizzard pretty much stated that he is not corrupted or influenced in any case so wtf?

[Deleted]

I don't really think he's evil. Which is what's so brilliant about the storyline.

He's just trying to do what's best for his people, and has gotten misguided somewhere.

[Editos]

Garrosh was never honorable

[Dreknar20]

Desperate times call for desperate measures

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He's just trying to do what's best for his people, and has gotten misguided somewhere.

same story with Arthas and Kael, and maybe a lil with Illidian

[Abstieg]

I don't really think he's evil. Which is what's so brilliant about the storyline.

He's just trying to do what's best for his people, and has gotten misguided somewhere.

Pretty sure in the 5.4 trailer he's just plain evil.

[Taqaroph]

I don't really think he's evil. Which is what's so brilliant about the storyline.

He's just trying to do what's best for his people, and has gotten misguided somewhere.

What people? the entire horde is in civil war against him? exept for his personal Kor'kron

[Hitei]

September 25th, 2012

What people? the entire horde is in civil war against him? exept for his personal Kor'kron

His people being the Orcs, the vast majority of whom agree with his mentality and methods.

[Lord Pebbleton]

He was wearing his Cape of Hiding Evilness all along... until he lost it.

[Deleted]

So i'm lvl'ing a blood elf atm and just finished the Stonetalon questline, and I'm wandering does blizzard have just very bad character development of all time or did I miss something?

This is the dialogue after you drop the bomb on some druid base:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L4RTB5LxJ0U
Can someone explain to me how he became from this crude but honorable warchief to this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slzQOyS5TqQ

My only explanation is is that he is corrupted but blizzard pretty much stated that this isn't the case so wtf?

There was a recent lore interview which gave a decent answer to that question. Basically what you refer is just an instance of Garrosh displaying honorable ethics rather than a display of him being a firm believer in them. The trajectory of the character is that of a sad little orc crushed by the weight of the legacy of his father only to be offered a second chance as it were by Thrall in Nagrand who empowers him, but with each success Garrosh achieves he gets a little more power hungry and a little more absolute in his beliefs about the Horde. Basically the Stonetalon Garrosh is an anomaly and was never the rule. Garrosh was only ever "corrupted" by himself.

[Dreknar20]

All hail Warsong, is what I've to say to that.

'Lok'tar Ogar Big Brother, May the Warsong never fade'

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What people? the entire horde is in civil war against him?

one of the reasons why he desired war was to conquer lands to garner greater resrouces and prosperity for the Horde, if that was only possible through Alliance blood he didnt give a fuck

[Jaxi]

Garrosh was never honorable

Garrosh is one of the most flippity floppity characters in the game. From depressed, to war monger, to an honorable warchief, to whatever the hell he is now.

[Heldamon]

Garrosh is one of the most flippity floppity characters in the game. From depressed, to war monger, to an honorable warchief, to whatever the hell he is now.

Sounds like a Clown to me

[Dreknar20]

Garrosh is one of the most flippity floppity characters in the game. From depressed, to war monger, to an honorable warchief, to whatever the hell he is now.

Does not mean it happened for very little or valid reasons

For example going from depressed to full of eagerness and bravado makes perfect sense.
Garrosh is a Hellscream it is in his blood to be agressive and headstrong, the only reason he wsnt because he was weighed down by the deeds of his father. So once Thrall relives him of that burden guess whats left?

[Jaxi]

Sounds like a Clown to me

Or poor character development.

Does not mean it happened for very little or valid reasons

I don't think so either. I'd rather they didn't cave in to players complaining and just followed through with their story.

[Faroth]

Yeah, he doesn't flip flop as much as people think. It's been progressive with desperation and frustration of failure pushing him further and further.

I think Garrosh's entire plot is summed up as "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Or as Kosak recently said.......the druids weren't combatants......waste of a good bomb.

[Wyrt]

When he sent the horde player on a suicide mission in Borean Tundra.

[Durandro]

Or as Kosak recently said.......the druids weren't combatants......waste of a good bomb.

Yep. Plus it became 'public'. Even Garrosh cares (or cared) about PR!

[Archangel Tyrael]

The most important thing that this expansion teaches us is that the Horde is superiour to the Alliance military-wise, or at least the Warsong are.

Just think of it. Everyone shitting their pants because Warsong kicked everyone's asses on Pandaria and even managed to conquer the Vale? If the Horde hadn't turned on itself the Alliance would've been defeated and everyone would've ended up impaled on the docks of Stormwind apparently.

All hail Warsong, is what I've to say to that.

Well, the Warsong is indeed amazing (military speaking).

They always were, under the leadership of Grom. And as I said before, it takes the entire horde + Alliance to take Garrosh and his ''True Horde'' down.
That's quite a feat, specially considering that Orcs aren't that numerous.

[Dreknar20]

I think Garrosh's entire plot is summed up as "Power tends to corrupt and absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Such a shame......
The son of mutherfuckin Grommash Hellscream could have so much more......

[Kralljin]

There was a recent lore interview which gave a decent answer to that question. Basically what you refer is just an instance of Garrosh displaying honorable ethics rather than a display of him being a firm believer in them. The trajectory of the character is that of a sad little orc crushed by the weight of the legacy of his father only to be offered a second chance as it were by Thrall in Nagrand who empowers him, but with each success Garrosh achieves he gets a little more power hungry and a little more absolute in his beliefs about the Horde. Basically the Stonetalon Garrosh is an anomaly and was never the rule. Garrosh was only ever "corrupted" by himself.

Garrosh wanted to rule the World since he stepped into Orgrimmar, altough "indirectly".

He never came out and said to himself "I want to rule the World", but rather he wanted to get the Lands that the Orcs deserve in his view.

Garrosh wanted Ashenvale for the Orcs to live, but since the Night elves have issues with that, he needs to put them out of the way, and since those Night elves have allies, they will have to go as well.

At it's core, it was much more of a chain reaction, Garrosh wanted Lands for the Orcs that the Night elves hold which dragged the entire Alliance into the conflict which pretty much decided who would rule Azeroth.

The only thing i am interested in, when did Garrosh turned into a racist douche, he never liked Trolls that's no secret but this whole "True Horde" stuff, even in MoP he saw the other races as still useful to the Horde, as seen by the Pandaren Horde intro and even wanted a create a destiny for the Races that stand with the Orcs.

"I will stop at nothing - NOTHING - to ensure a proud and glorious future for the orcs and anyone with the courage to stand with us."

I mean the lack of loyalty is one thing, but this True Horde stuff isn't just "Race X/Y/Z isn't loyal", it's straight you're an Orc or you're worthless.