Greece arrests neo-Nazi party leader

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Mm nope don't care.

Facism and the rise of it should be halted before it becomes another genocide.

Democracy is okay but when people start turning facist, you need to steer far away.

That's your personal view though, and democracy humbly disagrees in principle. You must also remember that in a state where people do not want democracy, democracy herself cannot be enforced.

[Themius]

That's your personal view though, and democracy humbly disagrees in principle. You must also remember that in a state where people do not want democracy, democracy herself cannot be enforced.

There isn't true democracy anywhere, and with good reason.

My personal view is the most logical... nip facism before it becomes a huge problem that leads to genocide.

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So... why are they letting the bankers carry on like they always have? Because the bankers own the police and every single party, EXCEPT Golden Dawn.

That, mate, is exactly a policy of the Golden Dawn; exactly because they/you have no argument or actual view about how a state must be, what they only do is attack the other person. That's a very definitive sign of nazism and facism, and I suggest that you look it up for your own good

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I'm sure the immigrant minority don't want to be killed.

Please tell me how it would lead to genocide? What the -3% of immigrants are going to wipe out Greeks?

Well, the best thing would be to say: get the fuck out of that country and let natives rule?

[Zecora]

Its being outlawed because the "someone" sees it as an treat to their rule.

No, I believe it is because they killed 6 million people for belonging to a religion they didn't like. (Plus, you know, whomever else they didn't like. Like anyone with skin a bit too dark, or who happened to like people of their own sex a bit too much, or anyone who prefered Marx over Hitler and so on).

If you watch "Der Ewige Jude", and look at todays society... everything in that movie has happened.

That is possibly the worst bunch of nonsense I have heard today, and I just came from a thread on whether bacon tastes better sliced with a steel or ceramic knife.

The whole idea behind National Socialism , is more or less FAMILY, FOLK and FATHERLAND. And yes, whatever it takes to achieve it.

"The ends justifies the means", eh? Lots of evil has been comitted in the name of "whatever it takes to achieve it". Any man or woman who would lend themselves to such needs to seriously reconsider their values.

But, again. Look at the USA. 3000 is getting killed in an attack carried out by and Terrorist organization, so the World Police goes out and kills over a million man, woman and children. THAT, my friend, Is freedom AND justice by todays standard.

No. If it was, people would not have protested. GOVERNMENTS would not have protested.

[Themius]

Well, the best thing would be to say: get the fuck out of that country and let natives rule?

ah yes little b212, let your xenophobia shine.

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ah yes little b212, let your xenophobia shine.

Oh, not this again.

Why does there always have to be diversity?

[Zecora]

Because you're just splitting hairs over the word "state" which distracts from the actual argument...and annoying.

I explained my understanding of the term, as the existance of Communist states (or not) was the topic, I would say that was highly relevant at the time, even if a bit off-topic for the thread. I am sorry you find that annoying, I recomend a couple of deep breaths and maybe some hot chocolate!

[Themius]

Oh, not this again.

Why does there always have to be diversity?

b212 is a xenophobe I remember well his post.

You anti diversity people are so fucking annoying... oh no scared little old white me (and yes white me, why white because it's only white people bitching about this) can't deal with some immigrants that aren't just like me.

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ah yes little b212, let your xenophobia shine.

It's natural to you to feel xenophilia, since you don't even know ancestors you came from. Not everyone is like you.

[Well]

Oh none taken.
To be honest, I've read they refer to this Greek nationalist of whom I forgot the name that actually went against the nazis, if this is what you refer to by nazist.
If you mean national socialist, sorry but I don't see what the issue is. As some of the poster said, is extremes that make it impossible. National socialism isn't an "extreme" by itself. Thinking your country is above all and everything is, but that's quite different isn't it.

I wouldnt personally trust media in this particular situation but that's me being skeptical

I'm originally Italian.

Nazism and Fascism are (officially) the creations of Hitler as I am sure you know, and they depict that because a "race" is superior, everything else must die or be eradicated.

Even the most right of a person you might find (take Berlusconi for example, the worst example of a politician of them all) will be insulted if they call him a nazist, because he would never kill or try to eradicate any state, nation or group of people for being "minor" to his. Believing in your Nation (not country/state, make the distinction), your own people, National symbols, a traditional style of a family and being deeply involved in a Religion of your choice (typically Christian) is something completely different than wanting to eradicate others. That's what differentiates a right man/woman from a nazist (note that women also do not exist in nazism. They are just reproducting machines of males).

I hope that you clearly see what I mean by nazists. Nikos Michaliolakos and his criminal organisation with every active member in there believe these stuff (that they should eradicate anyone that is "minor", as they percieve it, because they are "better").

Even after ALL of these, the state, the justice system and the police did not arrest them for THAT, but INSTEAD arrested them for the crimes they have commited after the proof the justice system had collected against them.

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If they wanted to arrest them for these reasons, they would do that ages ago. They actually did this now, cause there are running some rumors in Greece that Golden Dawn is hiring Colonels and Sergeants to train an army for them. So the Goverment might arrested them cause they fear of a Coup from Golden Dawn, especialy after the threats.

[Steelcapped]

That is entirely not true. Golden Dawn has completely integrated the views and practices of Hitler and it only remained based on that. If you sadly are so misguided to have fallen a victim of them, I'd suggest to stop viewing anyone else except them as an enemy.

What is so bad about Hitler? The way he gave every German a job? Made Germany Great once again? The Holocaust?

The (NSDAP) Holocaust is said to have taken the lives of 6million jews, gays, gypsies etc. NSDAP was a party with a German, Aryan majority

The (Bolshevist) Holocaust is said to have taken the lives of 30-40 million ethnic Christian, Aryan Russians. The Bolshevist party was Not Russian, and had a jewish majority.

The Bolshevist Lenin himself, had 2-3 million ethnic Aryans killed the first 5 years of his ruling.

It is though beyond any doubt that they are a nazist party. Just look through their official rules and beliefs that are written down by them, even, or what they were doing until they were elected (creating songs and writing articles about Hitler and such).

So what? They have Freedom of speech.

They are idolizing Hitler, but their politics are NOT, National Socialist. Untill you read Mein Kampf and other National Socialist Literature, shut up about it.

[Themius]

It's natural to you to feel xenophilia, since you don't even know ancestors you came from. Not everyone is like you.

I don't know my ancestors? Why do you say this? Is this an ignorant assumption now because you are now assuming all people that are black or part black mustn't know their ancestors?

[Zecora]

It's natural to you to feel xenophilia, since you don't even know ancestors you came from. Not everyone is like you.

I'm somewhat curious what that statement was supposed to imply, could you clarify?

[Tradewind]

I explained my understanding of the term, as the existance of Communist states (or not) was the topic, I would say that was highly relevant at the time, even if a bit off-topic for the thread. I am sorry you find that annoying, I recomend a couple of deep breaths and maybe some hot chocolate!

I'm over it now, more annoyed that Mooneye dodged the argument entirely. Not surprising.

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b212 is a xenophobe I remember well his post.

You anti diversity people are so fucking annoying... oh no scared little old white me (and yes white me, why white because it's only white people bitching about this) can't deal with some immigrants that aren't just like me.

Why are you unable to give a proper reason as to why there always should so called diversity?

[Zecora]

Oh, not this again.

Why does there always have to be diversity?

Because the nature of life is diversity. And because diversity enrichens the texture of life.

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I'm over it now, more annoyed that Mooneye dodged the argument entirely. Not surprising.

I'd still offer hot chocolate, but I fear it transfers badly through the screen!

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There isn't true democracy anywhere, and with good reason.

My personal view is the most logical... nip facism before it becomes a huge problem that leads to genocide.

We are heading towards a completely different discussion here, but I am happy to jump on that vagon!
I honestly appreciate you sharing your personal view, but I will not share mine. I will poke you though by saying that what you seem to believe, is that we should keep a fake democracy in order to pretend that we have a real democracy, and that is exceptionally... (insert your own word here, people).

Isn't that, you know... facist?

[Themius]

Why are you unable to give a proper reason as to why there always should so called diversity?

Because of people like you, basically. Lack of diversity breeds ignorance of others and breeds negative assumptions about those difference from you.

I mean humans have always been diverse...