[Prot] Fix my Tanking!

[Deleted]

Weak Auras mate. I've set one up for myself (player) and one for each of my regular co-tanks so I can track all the important debuffs neatly on each of us (As do I have one for focus target for pugs and alts) - this means I can track it without having to focus my co-tank all the time as well.

[Nobleshield]

I updated elvui the other night and it has wiped my ability to see tank debuffs on the targettarget window. This makes tank swapping stupid for me as now I have to wait for the MT to call for a taunt, and before I would just auto-taunt at X stacks, etc...anyone know how to fix that?

Are debuffs enabled on Target of Target? I know sometimes it seems to disable by default.

[Rocketsauce]

Are debuffs enabled on Target of Target? I know sometimes it seems to disable by default.

Yea I've got them on, just won't show. It was working perfectly before I decided to update it.

[keelea]

Hi guys, I hope it's okay if I post here for my guild's prot paladin.

We've had a lot of problems with the two tanks we have, and recently we replaced one of them (A brewmaster), with a new tank. However, our paladin takes a lot of damage, and we're not sure if this is something standard or something if it's an out of the ordinary occasion.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...naria/advanced
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-xbdggzlmhoxln11h/

His armory, and our most recent WoL. If you'd prefer something that isn't too many wipes to an easy heroic:

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-swupdzdb9myg7nty/

If there's any other information you need, please ask. The only things we can think of that he's not doing correctly is using his CDs, which we've talked to him about. Not sure if we're missing something super obvious or there's a secret to this tanking thing =/. Thanks in advance!

[Jellospally]

Yea I've got them on, just won't show. It was working perfectly before I decided to update it.

Read the change log. If you dl 6.62 you need to update again he removed the change he did to the debuffs because it wasnt working properly.

[Gorfion]

Regarding Jannaria:

First things I see, there's no reason for him to go for all those socket bonuses. He would get significantly more haste if he gemmed straight haste and reforged out of mastery/avoidance instead of reforging out of hit/expertise. A few socket bonuses like the chest stamina one might be worthwhile, but very rarely strength and certainly not avoidance. Second, why on earth would he be using glyph of hammer of the righteous? That was a poor glyph choice last tier, and now with crusader strike applying weakened blows it's even worse. I generally wouldn't recommend glyphing devo aura either, but perhaps there might be a specific fight that he might have used it for.

Looking at the logs, I looked at malkorok normal because it's a straightforward single target fight where you should have 100% uptime on the boss (not 100% tanking but 100% hitting the boss). He had 44% SoTR uptime, which is somewhat low for a fight where you can hit the boss full time. He used hammer of the righteous 6 times and should not have used it at all. He had 49 crusader strike/hammer of the righteous to 42 judgments, so he is probably prioritizing judgment too high sometimes. He apparently used the wrong seal the entire fight (he should always be using seal of insight). He is specced into eternal flame but has zero eternal flame healing done that fight. He did 138k dps and 20k hps for the fight; for comparison my alt prot paladin did 235k dps and 145k hps for the fight (and we tank swapped every time stacks fell off and tanks did not solo blood rage). Looking at overall for that log, he does have some seal of insight and eternal flame healing, so apparently he is using them sometimes. He used divine protection a decent number of times on malkorok, he should have used avenging wrath twice though.

Short version: he isn't gearing optimally, he isn't hitting buttons fast enough/in the right order, he is using hammer of the righteous when he shouldn't be, he isn't consistently using eternal flame and seal of insight.

[keelea]

Appreciate the quick reply, Gorfion. Thanks for taking a look into everything for me. Going to relay this and hopefully this helps out.

[Dastuross]

Hey guys. Coming here after talking with my healers and looking at some other prot logs, anything you guys can critique? be as critical/harsh as possible

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...turos/advanced

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-42vxnfgn8btxrobv/ Siege, Paragons, and some Garrosh attempts.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-vect8m9ykpu2j7uw/ Nazgrim, Malk, Spoils, Thok.

Currently i'm not using 2p t16, although i have the gloves/chest in my bags. going to try running 2p this upcoming week, i have some of the haste offpieces so i figured i'd try them out this week.

[Lackluster]

Hey guys. Coming here after talking with my healers and looking at some other prot logs, anything you guys can critique? be as critical/harsh as possible

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...turos/advanced

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-42vxnfgn8btxrobv/ Siege, Paragons, and some Garrosh attempts.

http://worldoflogs.com/reports/rt-vect8m9ykpu2j7uw/ Nazgrim, Malk, Spoils, Thok.

Currently i'm not using 2p t16, although i have the gloves/chest in my bags. going to try running 2p this upcoming week, i have some of the haste offpieces so i figured i'd try them out this week.

Gear looks fine. Personally I'm not sure how Glyph of WOG compares to final wrath or focussed shield though. I'd like to know how many WoG one needs to do before the glyph outperforms final wrath single target.

Had a quick look at your malkorok log as it's as close to a tank-and-spank we're gonna get.

Few things, looking mainly at buffs gained and uptimes for that fight:
4 DP uses, could have used it 8 times. Not a big deal though, after all you're not tanking him all the time.
Some pretty big (20 second) gaps in your eternal flame coverage though, should never be necessary at your haste level. It shows in the healing done where I did 30k more HPS than you with similar overhealing. This difference is almost entirely Eternal Flame.
Personally I use Divine Purpose here and plan on doing so until my guild has me soaking blood rages. With almost exactly the same haste as you this had my SotR uptime at 77% last week compared to 55% for you. Although Divine Purpose alone isn't responsible for this difference in SotR uptime, it's a major factor.
In my opinion unless the fight necessitates the extra cooldown that you get with HA, DP is the superior choice.

CS/J usage is 1.4, should be 1.5 so slightly heavy on the judgement for optimum HP generation. It's okay if you're doing this on purpose for more dps.
On average you did a CS (and 1 HotR for no reason :P) every 3.87 seconds compared to my 3.45 seconds.
Judgement, you did one every 5.1 seconds, I did every 4.9 seconds.
You can definitely clean up your rotation a bit and squeeze out more holy power.

I could look at the rest of your fights but those tend to vary more wildly between attempts and strategies.

The T16 2pc I have found is really underwhelming and does nothing compared to the healing from your seal and eternal flame. If your offpieces are better I'd keep using them until you get the 4 piece. If you don't care for the 4 piece then I wouldn't use the 2 piece either and probably only use tier gloves (or warforged immerseus ones). Personally I quite like the 4piece, it's 6 holy power per minute if you keep your EF up. Even more if you recast it earlier (and you can, 5 BoG stacks shouldn't take you 30 seconds).

[Nillo]

Just some rough napkin math:
Holy Wrath is about 12-15% of my damage dealt.
Final Wrath adds 50% to that for <20% of the fight.
Best case scenario that's 15%-15%*(1+50%*20%) = 15%*(1-1/1.1) = 15% * (1.1/1.1-1/1.1) = 15% * (.1/1.1) = 1.5%/1.1 = 1.3636..%
So you need (1.5%/1.1)/9% = 1/6.6 ~ 15% uptime on the WoG glyph for it to outperform Final Wrath. On fights with important execute phases like Nazgrim that number would probably be higher.
My uptime on WoG glyph generally ranges from 16% (spoils - too much stuff happening and too little damage incoming) to 40% (keeping EF rolling on everyone @ Dark Shaman) and is mostly around 20-25% so I guess it's stronger :O

[Deleted]

Hello guys, long time reader first time poster. I was wondering if you could help me improve my damage output, my warrior co-tank just seems to full out dominate my DPS, he's ranking on almost every boss and I'd like to follow in his footsteps :-), atm we're progressing Garrosh normal. I'm running a haste build and I fucked up my tier-chest piece - swapping it to the retribution one as soon as I get my hands on a token.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...afiesto/simple

Logs: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...uv7/details/3/

Thanks in advance for the help!!

[Deleted]

Hello guys, long time reader first time poster. I was wondering if you could help me improve my damage output, my warrior co-tank just seems to full out dominate my DPS, he's ranking on almost every boss and I'd like to follow in his footsteps :-), atm we're progressing Garrosh normal. I'm running a haste build and I fucked up my tier-chest piece - swapping it to the retribution one as soon as I get my hands on a token.

Armory: http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...afiesto/simple

Logs: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...uv7/details/3/

Thanks in advance for the help!!

What?? Nooo... You want that chest for the 4p.

[Deleted]

Really? From what I've read we're only after the 2set while going for:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=103783

http://www.wowhead.com/item=104311

and the retri chest, having the head/gloves for our 2set, but I might be wrong!

[Deleted]

Really? From what I've read we're only after the 2set while going for:

http://www.wowhead.com/item=103783

http://www.wowhead.com/item=104311

and the retri chest, having the head/gloves for our 2set, but I might be wrong!

4set is very good since it allows EF refresh with no SotR loss and a 30-40% uptime on WoG glyph for more damage. Fishing procs of DivPurp, it is so fun having 10sec+ SotR, a strong EF and +9% dmg most of the time...

[Deleted]

4set is very good since it allows EF refresh with no SotR loss and a 30-40% uptime on WoG glyph for more damage. Fishing procs of DivPurp, it is so fun having 10sec+ SotR, a strong EF and +9% dmg most of the time...

I stand corrected then! Any comments on my gameplay?

[Deleted]

I stand corrected then! Any comments on my gameplay?

http://raidbots.com/comparebot/526a3...7000392#damage

Try to use your abilities more often, you can still squeeze in more GCDs.
(Obviously I have 10% more haste, and the 4P, but that doesn't covers this much of a diff.)
And if you care about your DPS, then use the DPS-cloak for some of the not-so-threatening bosses.
Maybe consider using HA instead of DP, as HA is a slight DPS increase too.

[Deleted]

I stand corrected then! Any comments on my gameplay?

For your garrosh last try, 4use of DP, with 2p, is a waste. Only 1 AD. In 10min.

You really should "scumbag" tank this fight since you have a warrior co tank.
he takes adds, you take garrosh all the P1, and cleave on adds (and even if you get some on you, just pop a CD : GoAK or AD, or both if you get 2waves + boss on you) because with your high vengeance, your cleave will help get them down, your warrior will pick up easily the rest because he isn't pursued by a massive troop, and it increases your DPS and your DDs single damage on boss, which is important.

As for p2, you can tank boss 10-12sec before whirlwind, with GoaK/AD +/- AOE trink right before it, and DP the 3rd + 4th right after to still take 4stacks easily after whirlwind, this way, you'll get insane DPS on boss. Be sure to bank 5HoPo before whirlwind ends to SotR back to back for his melees since your healers are moving.

34% uptime of SotR is too low for this fight with high melee damage. I wouldn't glyph DP to keep loads of magical debuff and stay in whirlwind.

With your aggro, some whirlwind adds will come to you because of EF+high vengeance. So, keep the boss until all ranged adds are delat with, during which your warrior tank can taunt and kill 1-2 adds on you, and when he takes boss back, you can OS them easy

[celinamuna]

4set is very good since it allows EF refresh with no SotR loss and a 30-40% uptime on WoG glyph for more damage. Fishing procs of DivPurp, it is so fun having 10sec+ SotR, a strong EF and +9% dmg most of the time...

Glyph lasts 6 sec, in order to have 30-40% uptime on it you need to be refreshing it every 18 or sec.
Unless you manage to get 5 stacks of bastion during that period i don't see a point in refreshing it.
(P.S. even 40% uptime != msot of the time)

[Deleted]

For your garrosh last try, 4use of DP, with 2p, is a waste. Only 1 AD. In 10min.

You really should "scumbag" tank this fight since you have a warrior co tank.
he takes adds, you take garrosh all the P1, and cleave on adds (and even if you get some on you, just pop a CD : GoAK or AD, or both if you get 2waves + boss on you) because with your high vengeance, your cleave will help get them down, your warrior will pick up easily the rest because he isn't pursued by a massive troop, and it increases your DPS and your DDs single damage on boss, which is important.

As for p2, you can tank boss 10-12sec before whirlwind, with GoaK/AD +/- AOE trink right before it, and DP the 3rd + 4th right after to still take 4stacks easily after whirlwind, this way, you'll get insane DPS on boss. Be sure to bank 5HoPo before whirlwind ends to SotR back to back for his melees since your healers are moving.

34% uptime of SotR is too low for this fight with high melee damage. I wouldn't glyph DP to keep loads of magical debuff and stay in whirlwind.

With your aggro, some whirlwind adds will come to you because of EF+high vengeance. So, keep the boss until all ranged adds are delat with, during which your warrior tank can taunt and kill 1-2 adds on you, and when he takes boss back, you can OS them easy

Thank you very much for the tips and tricks, will definatly keep that in mind, I guess I just have to be more vary of my cds and 34% uptime on SotR is very low even for me. Thanks for the tip on the DP glyph aswell!

[Nillo]

Thank you very much for the tips and tricks, will definatly keep that in mind, I guess I just have to be more vary of my cds and 34% uptime on SotR is very low even for me. Thanks for the tip on the DP glyph aswell!

Some of the advice is very questionable/lacking though !:
For example aggroing the Whirlwind adds can and should be avoided by having a macro with /cancelaura Righteous Fury.
And you really shouldn't have to use cds other than unglyphed DP for the WW plus 4 stacks of the dot. (3+ HP for when it finishes is still advisable though)